USA: New Sex Ed Guidelines; Rape, Sexual Orientation Defined by Grade 5

[elf omg]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...f1f68e9d04e6d0

Does this link work? I have no idea..

Read the article, there's lots more to it than I alluded to in the title.

By KIMBERLY HEFLING, AP Education Writer – 22 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Young elementary school students should use the proper names for body parts and, by the end of fifth grade, know that sexual orientation is "the romantic attraction of an individual to someone of the same gender or a different gender," according to new sexual education guidelines released Monday by a coalition of health and education groups.

The non-binding recommendations to states and school districts seek to encourage age-appropriate discussions about sex, bullying and healthy relationships — starting with a foundation even before second grade.

By presenting minimum standards that schools can use to formulate school curriculums for each age level, the groups hope that schools can build a sequential foundation that in the long term will better help teens as they grow into adults.

Experts say schools across America are inconsistent in how they address such sensitive topics.

Despite awareness of bullying, for example, Debra Hauser, president of Advocates for Youth, one of the groups involved with creating the standards, said some schools don't address it — or at least not in relation to sexual orientation or gender identity, which is where she said a lot of the bullying occurs.

"They should tackle it head on," Hauser said.

Other organizations involved with the release include the American Association of Health Education, the American School Health Association, the National Education Association - Health Information Network, the Society of State Leaders of Health and Physical Education, and the Future of Sex Education Initiative. The latest suggestions were already drawing less enthusiastic reactions from some.

By the end of second grade, the guidelines say students should use the correct body part names for the male and female anatomy, and also understand that all living things reproduce and that all people have the right to not be touched if they don't want to be. They also say young elementary school kids should be able to identity different kinds of family structures and explain why bullying and teasing are wrong.

Beyond lessons about puberty by the end of fifth grade, the guidelines say students should be able to define sexual harassment and abuse.

When they leave middle school, they should be able to differentiate between gender identity, gender expression and sexual orientation, according to the guidelines. And the say they should be able to explain why a rape victim is not at fault, know about bullying and dating violence and describe the signs and impacts of sexually transmitted diseases.

It calls for those leaving eighth grade to also be able to evaluate the effectiveness of abstinence, condoms and other "safer sex methods" and know how emergency contraception works. Many of these issues the groups encouraged to be further addressed in high school as well.

It's unclear how much influence the recommendations will have among educators.

Cora Collette Breuner, a pediatrics professor at the University of Washington and Seattle Children's Hospital and a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics committee on adolescence who was not involved in the creation of the standards, praised the approach of encouraging discussions at an early age.

"The data points that trying to cover this stuff when kids have already formulated their own opinions and biases by the time they're in middle and high school, it's too late," Breuner said.

Valerie Huber, executive director of the National Education Abstinence Association, said she does not agree with the topics and goals of the standards. Like the anti-smoking campaign of the last few decades that has had success, abstinence should be the focus of such programs, she said.

"This should be a program about health, rather than agendas that have nothing to do with optimal sexual health decision-making," Huber said. "Controversial topics are best reserved for conversations between parent and child, not in the classroom."

Federal funding for abstinence-centered education funded by a Republican Congress in the late 1990s and later under President George W. Bush has largely gone by the wayside under the Obama administration, which has had a shift in focus to teen pregnancy prevention programs.

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Kindergartners should be taught about anal sex, butt plugs, and bukkake.

[Nightshade]

Jesus f'ing Christ whatever happened to teaching the three R's?

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

Jesus f'ing Christ whatever happened to teaching the three R's?

Reduce Reuse Recycle?

[mksnowboarder]

See, I'm all for anyone being able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't fuck with my life. You wanna switch genders, sleep with someone the same sex as you, have multiple sexual organs, whatever - I don't mind, but it shouldn't be protected by law, and my hypothetical children shouldn't be taught that it's alright. You do what you want on the down low, and we won't throw you in prisons or kill you for it.

Although, teaching them to evaluate the effectiveness of various types of birth control is awesome. Abstinence should be presented as an option, but with the knowledge that no one is taking it seriously.

And I'm all for more sex ed in school. I never had to have an awkward conversation with my parents because the school took care of it, and I'm grateful for that.

mike

[elf omg]

and the talk of indoctrination begins

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by mksnowboarder

See, I'm all for anyone being able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't fuck with my life. You wanna switch genders, sleep with someone the same sex as you, have multiple sexual organs, whatever - I don't mind, but it shouldn't be protected by law, and my hypothetical children shouldn't be taught that it's alright. You do what you want on the down low, and we won't throw you in prisons or kill you for it.

mike

Wait, what do you mean when you say protected by law? Are you meaning like marriage, and legally changing your gender, or like hate crime laws or something?

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

i remember learnin bout boners n shit in 5th grade such fun times

[Rizopas]

Whatever happened to learning this shit in the street and reading it from a goddamn encyclopedia?

[L33tz]

Originally Posted by mksnowboarder

See, I'm all for anyone being able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't fuck with my life. You wanna switch genders, sleep with someone the same sex as you, have multiple sexual organs, whatever - I don't mind, but it shouldn't be protected by law, and my hypothetical children shouldn't be taught that it's alright. You do what you want on the down low, and we won't throw you in prisons or kill you for it.

Although, teaching them to evaluate the effectiveness of various types of birth control is awesome. Abstinence should be presented as an option, but with the knowledge that no one is taking it seriously.

And I'm all for more sex ed in school. I never had to have an awkward conversation with my parents because the school took care of it, and I'm grateful for that.

mike

same. faggot is my favorite insult, no other insult is as instantly demeaning as faggot.

[mksnowboarder]

Originally Posted by elf omg

Wait, what do you mean when you say protected by law? Are you meaning like marriage, and legally changing your gender, or like hate crime laws or something?

I mean it shouldn't be illegal to discriminate against people like you. You can do what you want, but the rest of society is under no obligation to endorse it.

mike

[p6867]

You're 10 in 5th grade, I'm pretty sure I knew what those things were by the time i was ten, and i grew up in rural texas, on a farm.

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by mksnowboarder

I mean it shouldn't be illegal to discriminate against people like you. You can do what you want, but the rest of society is under no obligation to endorse it.

mike

Well there's a big difference between endorse and tolerate. And to not discriminate is to tolerate, not endorse. If we have to teach your children to be civil in schools, you really have no one to blame but yourselves. We deserve the right to study, work and live without being confronted and harassed by big meanies such as yourself.

And anyway, with these new guidelines it's not like kids are going to be taught anything regarding the morality of sexuality at grade 5. Seems they'll just need to be aware that gay people exist, and understand what it really means to be gay. 8th graders are a different story, if only because knowledge of transgendered people is generally so poor and limited. Teaching kids about this at all is going to seem like hardcore indoctrination because previously it's really been a taboo hush hush subject.

I think this is great though, I'm very impressed that they intend to teach kids the differences between sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression. Pretty sure most adults on this forum don't even understand the fine points of the differences. And I don't really see how more knowledge can be a bad thing.. of course, there really is a fine line between educating kids and indoctrinating them, with this sensitive and somewhat controversial subject matter. But if more parents bothered to teach their kids these things (or even know themselves) and to be polite to people who lead lifestyles they may not agree with, I don't think we'd be here.

[elf omg]

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by elf omg

People who mutilate their genitals to fulfill a desire brought about by what can only be a malfunctioning brain are not the type of people I want around me or my loved ones.

Genital mutilation and pretending to be the opposite sex is not behavior one would observe in a biologically sound human being.

These people are unstable and everyone knows it.

Step 1. Mutilate your self and pretend to be something you are not. Insist that your behavior is normal.
Step 2. Whine and blame everyone else because they don't accept that you are normal.
Step 3. Lobby for special laws that force the majority, that would otherwise reject you, to "accept" you as normal.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

People who mutilate their genitals to fulfill a desire brought about by what can only be a malfunctioning brain are not the type of people I want around me or my loved ones.

Genital mutilation and pretending to be the opposite sex is not behavior one would observe in a biologically sound human being.

These people are unstable and everyone knows it.

So fucking what? Who cares if they're unstable? As long as no one tries to mutilate my genitals, just do you.

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

People who mutilate their genitals to fulfill a desire brought about by what can only be a malfunctioning brain are not the type of people I want around me or my loved ones.

Genital mutilation and pretending to be the opposite sex is not behavior one would observe in a biologically sound human being.

These people are unstable and everyone knows it.

We're surrounded by biologically, psychologically and emotionally unsound individuals. Really there's no escaping it, and this is a terrible reason for wanting to keep your loved ones away from anyone.

Are you afraid your kids are going to be influenced in some negative way by this? Crossdressers, transsexuals and such exist. You can't keep our existence a secret from your kids, and trying to do so might even be harmful to them.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by p6867

So fucking what? Who cares if they're unstable? As long as no one tries to mutilate my genitals, just do you.

Lots of people, including myself, which is why I am posting about.
I don't want them around me or my family members and I don't want to be forced to hire them or forced to "accept" that they're normal sane people when they are not.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by elf omg

We're surrounded by biologically, psychologically and emotionally unsound individuals. Really there's no escaping it, and this is a terrible reason for wanting to keep your loved ones away from anyone.

Are you afraid your kids are going to be influenced in some negative way by this? Crossdressers, transsexuals and such exist. You can't keep our existence a secret from your kids, and trying to do so might even be harmful to them.

You speak of America, not of a sane society.

America is not right. You cannot use it as a shining example. The very fact that you aren't in a mental hospital is proof of that.

Why is it you faggots are always talking about other peoples children? Always trying force children to be brainwashed with the idea that your twisted self mutilation and abnormal behavior is somehow sane. Mind your own fucking business and stop trying to pervert children with your disgusting behaviors.

[elf omg]

you're not even saying anything lol

[Dread_Lord]

I'm saying plenty, you just don't want to hear it because you're the type of person I am talking about.
You try to claim "oh every ones insane". Bullshit. YOU are insane. that's why YOU cut your genitals up and everyone else didn't.
You are fucked in the head.

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Why is it you faggots are always talking about other peoples children? Always trying force children to be brainwashed with the idea that your twisted self mutilation and abnormal behavior is somehow sane. Mind your own fucking business and stop trying to pervert children with your disgusting behaviors.

From what I could tell from the article, no one is trying to teach children what is right, wrong, sane or insane here. They're just making the kids aware that people like this exist, and are trying to define these people a little better. The kids can (and will, don't you remember being a kid?) think what they want.

They'll hopefully be a little less ignorant of the people they make fun of, and use the proper words for things

[fire-z-426]

being a faggot or any other kind of sicko is a perversion plain and simple.. I'm so sick of hearing that "they cant help it" or "they were just born that way"..the truth to the matter is that everyone, more often than not, has bad thoughts.. they make a choice to act upon there feelings.. I have thoughts and feelings all of the time.. I want to rob banks and rape cute 14 year old girls.. do I act upon those thoughts and feelings?? no.. I do have a choice, and I choose not to because I am better than that.. I should not have to accept or tollerate people who can not control their perversions, or choose to live that kind of sick ass immoral lifestyle.. and nobody has the right or authority to force me to.. to discriminate against a fag is basic human rights and all should be allowed to do so.. why the fuck should we teach children it is ok to act on perversions and to do away with self control and dignity?? sexual orientation should not be a topic for elementary school children period...
and god hates fags...

[ilovechronic]

I wonder what grade they explain trannys.

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by ilovechronic

I wonder what grade they explain trannys.

grade 8!

[HTS]

Originally Posted by fire-z-426

being a faggot or any other kind of sicko is a perversion plain and simple.. I'm so sick of hearing that "they cant help it" or "they were just born that way"..the truth to the matter is that everyone, more often than not, has bad thoughts.. they make a choice to act upon there feelings.. I have thoughts and feelings all of the time.. I want to rob banks and rape cute 14 year old girls.. do I act upon those thoughts and feelings?? no.. I do have a choice, and I choose not to because I am better than that.. I should not have to accept or tollerate people who can not control their perversions, or choose to live that kind of sick ass immoral lifestyle.. and nobody has the right or authority to force me to.. to discriminate against a fag is basic human rights and all should be allowed to do so.. why the fuck should we teach children it is ok to act on perversions and to do away with self control and dignity?? sexual orientation should not be a topic for elementary school children period...
and god hates fags...

I believe you are serious and am incensed by your opinions.

[fire-z-426]

Originally Posted by HTS

I believe you are serious and am incensed by your opinions.

of course i'm serious... and why would you be incensed by my meager humble opinions??

[HTS]

Originally Posted by fire-z-426

of course i'm serious... and why would you be incensed by my meager humble opinions??

Because they're dumb. Duh.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by fire-z-426

being a faggot or any other kind of sicko is a perversion plain and simple.. I'm so sick of hearing that "they cant help it" or "they were just born that way"..the truth to the matter is that everyone, more often than not, has bad thoughts.. they make a choice to act upon there feelings.. I have thoughts and feelings all of the time.. I want to rob banks and rape cute 14 year old girls.. do I act upon those thoughts and feelings?? no.. I do have a choice, and I choose not to because I am better than that.. I should not have to accept or tollerate people who can not control their perversions, or choose to live that kind of sick ass immoral lifestyle.. and nobody has the right or authority to force me to.. to discriminate against a fag is basic human rights and all should be allowed to do so.. why the fuck should we teach children it is ok to act on perversions and to do away with self control and dignity?? sexual orientation should not be a topic for elementary school children period...
and god hates fags...

So... you have to make a conscious decision NOT to fuck men? Like, that's a bad thought that pops into your head and you have to restrain yourself? Because that's never happened to me. I never made a decision to be straight, just never had any interest to fuck dudes. My buddy evan is the opposite. That's what makes him gay. So if you have to stop yourself and decide to be straight, you're probably a closet case, have fun with that.
Also how is consensual sex between 2 adults on par with robbing banks and raping 14 year olds? I think i missed a step there.

And who didn't know what gay was at 10 years old, seriously?

[HTS]

Originally Posted by p6867

So... you have to make a conscious decision NOT to fuck men? Like, that's a bad thought that pops into your head and you have to restrain yourself? Because that's never happened to me. I never made a decision to be straight, just never had any interest to fuck dudes. My buddy evan is the opposite. That's what makes him gay. So if you have to stop yourself and decide to be straight, you're probably a closet case, have fun with that.
Also how is consensual sex between 2 adults on par with robbing banks and raping 14 year olds? I think i missed a step there.

And who didn't know what gay was at 10 years old, seriously?

I don't think that the troll implied he felt that way, just that it's another perversion some people feel (like fucking underage girls) and that like pedophiles, homosexuals should be expected to resist that urge.

It's still stupid for obvious reasons but whatever, he's a troll. Not even a subtle one.

[fire-z-426]

Originally Posted by p6867

So...I made a conscious decision to fuck men. I Like all gay thoughts that pop into my head and I do not restrain myself..Because I am gay. I never made a decision to be straight, just always had an interest to fuck dudes. My buddy evan is not the opposite. That's what makes him gay. So if I have gay sex and decide to suck dick, i'm probably a closet case,and I have fun with that.
Also how is consensual sex between 2 adults on par with butt poking and raping 14 year olds boys? I think i must be a queer...

And who didn't know that I was gay was at 10 years old, seriously?

Originally Posted by HTS

I don't think that the man implied he felt that way, just that it's another perversion some people feel (like fucking underage girls) and that like pedophiles, homosexuals should be expected to resist that urge.

I'm fucking gay and stupid for obvious reasons but whatever, I'm a troll. Not even a subtle one.

fixed for you gays, I mean guys...

[fire-z-426]

Originally Posted by HTS

Because I am homo, Duh.

fixed...

[Tom "Fuck Models" Brady]

cool, another thread full of "american" badasses... whoo intolerance is cool. nobody thinks its getting old?

[mksnowboarder]

Originally Posted by elf omg

We deserve the right to study, work and live without being confronted and harassed by big meanies such as yourself

Why do you think you deserve that right? I'm sure you want it, but it doesn't benefit society to give it to you, and you don't just have a right to anything you desire, you sociopath.

I think this is great though, I'm very impressed that they intend to teach kids the differences between sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression. Pretty sure most adults on this forum don't even understand the fine points of the differences.

I sure don't, and there's a good reason for that. I was born a man, I am content to stay a man, and I am attracted to women. The majority of society feels the seem. People like the OP are broken.

mike

[fire-z-426]

Originally Posted by Tom "Fuck Models" Brady

cool, another thread full of "american" badasses... whoo intolerance is cool. nobody thinks its getting old?

GTFO then!! u mad??

[HTS]

As somebody with a colorful history in transgendered shit let me say this: If I feel like I'm a black man, I don't tattoo my skin brown, get botox so I have big floppy nigger lips, and give myself brain damage to fit in.

I know feeling like a your body doesn't match your mind is fucked, but the idea that it's something we should treat physically is something I've never understood. I've appreciated that I could and wanted to do so, but I've never understood why I should be accepted for doing that any more than a wigger should be accepted by black people as just another black man.

If people want to discriminate against me for acting and dressing like a black person I don't cause a shitfit, why do transsexuals?

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by mksnowboarder

Why do you think you deserve that right? I'm sure you want it, but it doesn't benefit society to give it to you, and you don't just have a right to anything you desire, you sociopath.

It's called human decency. I don't agree with the way some people choose to live, but I am certainly not going to confront them about it when I see them on the street. I'm actually always polite and courteous. Guess my parents raised me to act respectfully to everyone, and maybe that's a weakness. But I don't think so, I consider it a strength

Originally Posted by mksnowboarder

I sure don't, and there's a good reason for that. I was born a man, I am content to stay a man, and I am attracted to women. The majority of society feels the seem. People like the OP are broken.

mike

This is willful ignorance. You don't feel you should have to understand something because it doesn't directly pertain to you? That sums up everything you have to say about the subject imo.

[elf omg]

Originally Posted by HTS

As somebody with a colorful history in transgendered shit let me say this: If I feel like I'm a black man, I don't tattoo my skin brown, get botox so I have big floppy nigger lips, and give myself brain damage to fit in.

I know feeling like a your body doesn't match your mind is fucked, but the idea that it's something we should treat physically is something I've never understood. I've appreciated that I could and wanted to do so, but I've never understood why I should be accepted for doing that any more than a wigger should be accepted by black people as just another black man.

If people want to discriminate against me for acting and dressing like a black person I don't cause a shitfit, why do transsexuals?

Well that's very interesting, you suggesting that there are non-physical ways to treat it. Actually it seems that any real approach at solving what the psychs call "gender identity disorder" would have to be physical, imo. And right now, the only way we have at attacking this issue is with the honestly crude method that I've chosen. But I suspect in the near future, or maaaaybe even now, there will be a way to utilize stem cell technology to repair what is biologically wrong, or abnormal, with the transsexual person's brain.

Actually it seems the solution would literally be to snort stem cells

And it's very likely that this could allow a transsexual person to feel a lot more at peace about their god-given sex. Of course, that's not getting into things like ethics and blah blah. I would certainly never want to "fix" my "disorder", not after living this way for so long. It would change my identity, and parts of who I am. Scary stuff, really.

uhm and about the rest of your post.. it's not that we're insisting to be accepted. at least, that's not what i'm insisting. i would just like to have the right to work, own property and stuff without much trouble. and there's going to be trouble still regardless, i know this. but people need to work and have a place to live to survive.

you know, in the 1960s there were openly gay people. mostly, these people were rich and didn't need to kowtow to the norms of society to get by. have things not improved since then? were all those political pushes for gay rights misguided and wrong?

[Jive Talka]

What gays, lesbians, bis, transsexuals, and anyone else who seeks comfort under the umbrella of the LGBT community do with their lives is no one's business but their own. You want to give kids in school a brief insight into the cluster-fuck that is the spectrum of human-sexuality? Teach them toleration & acceptance? I say go for it.

There are so many more important issues facing the human race right now besides who little Johnny decides to hold hands with during recess.

[mksnowboarder]

Originally Posted by elf omg

This is willful ignorance. You don't feel you should have to understand something because it doesn't directly pertain to you? That sums up everything you have to say about the subject imo.

Exactly. It only applies to a minority. Stop burdening the rest of society with this crap. People have been being gay and cross dressing as long as society existed. But they did it shamefully and in secret, as is right.

People don't care if you do it; we just shouldn't have to see it, and we shouldn't be obligated to hire you or house you if we think you're a weirdo.

mike