I think capitol punishment is unconstitutional, and should be fucking abolished

[Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson]

Mob mentality pussies, and emotional, vengefull lawmakers have the audacity to say taking a human life is wrong, while at the same time punishing it by taking a human life, either with death, or life inprisonment.

I believe any prison sentence, in excess of 20 years, for any number of crimes is cruel, and unusual punishment. We can go overseas, kill babies, mothers, and family men, but if some stuck up suburban facist bitch gets its skull peeled, its a big deal.

The problem is most people don't understand how long 20 years is. It is a lifetime in and of itself, and definately fits the severity of pre-meditated murder. Confinement in a cell, with no TV, and no freedom in and of itself is severe enough. Prisons need to be made more humane then now. I believe the overcrowding in county jails, and in booking, and processing rooms, where people aren't even proven guilty, is upmost cruel, and unusual punishment. People who do not agree with these statements are either angry, cowardly, or just lack the ability to intelligently examine the facts. They don't comprehend the effects of a 20 year prison sentence, and think hypocrasy is just punishment.

In conclusion, I believe capitol punishment should be abolished, and all prison/jail terms should be served simoultaneously, and no prison sentence should exceed 20 years. I also feel that people say shit like "LOL im gunna kill uzz cuz ill be out in 20 years" When you get out, and 90% of your life was abolished, the thought of returning, would be a good deterrent to re-committing crime.

[abusername]

Originally Posted by Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson

Mob mentality pussies, and emotional, vengefull lawmakers have the audacity to say taking a human life is wrong, while at the same time punishing it by taking a human life, either with death, or life inprisonment.

I believe any prison sentence, in excess of 20 years, for any number of crimes is cruel, and unusual punishment. We can go overseas, kill babies, mothers, and family men, but if some stuck up suburban facist bitch gets its skull peeled, its a big deal.

The problem is most people don't understand how long 20 years is. It is a lifetime in and of itself, and definately fits the severity of pre-meditated murder. Confinement in a cell, with no TV, and no freedom in and of itself is severe enough. Prisons need to be made more humane then now. I believe the overcrowding in county jails, and in booking, and processing rooms, where people aren't even proven guilty, is upmost cruel, and unusual punishment. People who do not agree with these statements are either angry, cowardly, or just lack the ability to intelligently examine the facts. They don't comprehend the effects of a 20 year prison sentence, and think hypocrasy is just punishment.

In conclusion, I believe capitol punishment should be abolished, and all prison/jail terms should be served simoultaneously, and no prison sentence should exceed 20 years. I also feel that people say shit like "LOL im gunna kill uzz cuz ill be out in 20 years" When you get out, and 90% of your life was abolished, the thought of returning, would be a good deterrent to re-committing crime.

I don't agree with not putting away some people for 20+ - life, Some people are just fucked up and when released will only do wierd and fucked up shit once again.

I think taking someones life by lethal injection is wrong and stupid, you know why? Why give them the quick way out when you can make them die slowly and suffer really fucking bad for the rest of their life in prison.. ? I guess I'm the only one who gets that.

Child killing pedophiles deserve life, dude. How can you disagree?

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson

no prison sentence should exceed 20 years.

Say "hi" to your recently released neighbour:

[Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson]

Uh, OK?

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson

Uh, OK?

No it's not OK, it's John Wayne Gacy.

[Naffy]

I think you should shut the fuck up.

[ArmsMerchant]

Killing people who supposedly killed people because killing people is wrong--this is just insane.

Amazingly, some so-called right to life people approve of government-sanctioned premeditated murder.

While I substantially agree with OP, punishment is not now , nor has it ever been a deterrent. It is simply revenge.

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by abusername

I don't agree with not putting away some people for 20+ - life, Some people are just fucked up and when released will only do wierd and fucked up shit once again.

That's why you rehabilitate them.

I think taking someones life by lethal injection is wrong and stupid, you know why? Why give them the quick way out when you can make them die slowly and suffer really fucking bad for the rest of their life in prison.. ? I guess I'm the only one who gets that.

Yep, why waste taxpayer dollars and human emotions when we can be sadistic instead?

Child killing pedophiles deserve life, dude. How can you disagree?

This is not the place for trolling.

[freeRadical]

Originally Posted by Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson

Mob mentality pussies, and emotional, vengefull lawmakers have the audacity to say taking a human life is wrong, while at the same time punishing it by taking a human life, either with death, or life inprisonment.

I believe any prison sentence, in excess of 20 years, for any number of crimes is cruel, and unusual punishment. We can go overseas, kill babies, mothers, and family men, but if some stuck up suburban facist bitch gets its skull peeled, its a big deal.

The problem is most people don't understand how long 20 years is. It is a lifetime in and of itself, and definately fits the severity of pre-meditated murder. Confinement in a cell, with no TV, and no freedom in and of itself is severe enough. Prisons need to be made more humane then now. I believe the overcrowding in county jails, and in booking, and processing rooms, where people aren't even proven guilty, is upmost cruel, and unusual punishment. People who do not agree with these statements are either angry, cowardly, or just lack the ability to intelligently examine the facts. They don't comprehend the effects of a 20 year prison sentence, and think hypocrasy is just punishment.

In conclusion, I believe capitol punishment should be abolished, and all prison/jail terms should be served simoultaneously, and no prison sentence should exceed 20 years. I also feel that people say shit like "LOL im gunna kill uzz cuz ill be out in 20 years" When you get out, and 90% of your life was abolished, the thought of returning, would be a good deterrent to re-committing crime.

HI Driveby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[patton]

We don't kill people to show that killing people is wrong, we kill murderers to show people that killing innocent people is wrong. There's nothing wrong with killing a murderer, there is on the other hand something deeply wrong with killing an innocent person. There are a lot of people in this world who simply don't deserve the right to live anymore, and need to be killed.

And if prison is such hell, then why are so many criminals not afraid of going to prison?

And do you really think 20 years can fit every crime? People who torture and murder? Child rapists? Ruthless serial killers?
These people simply don't deserve the right to live, much less the right to ever be free again.

[Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson]

The punishment for murder is pretty much the same. What if some dumb piece of shit that kept egging someone on, making threats, or talking about them behind their back got killed? You are assuming all murder victims are innocent. Yes, you get 25 to life for killing multiple minorities, and death for white women, but the punishments are based on race, not innocence. People get life for killing those who are not innocent.

[Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson]

Originally Posted by Slave of the Beast

No it's not OK, it's John Wayne Gacy.

So?

[Dog]

So, in your ideal world, dangerous people shouldn't be put to death or be kept away from society?

Brilliant.

Of course, I agree that there are cruel and unusual punishments (often dealt out for drugs), but the idea that violent people who have taken innocent people's lives shouldn't be locked up, simply because it's an inconvenience to them is utterly retarded. Do you really care more about violent murderers than the safety of the public?

[xxombie]

I will express my feelings with song lyrics.

Originally Posted by Aus Rotten

The United States is one of two remaining industrialized nations to
still use death as a form of punishment. There are approximately 3,000
prisoners currently living on Death Row. No other country in the world
has this many of it's citizens awaiting execution. If you support capital
punishment you support absolute political control at it's sickest
extreme.
Murder, murder, murder, murder
Why must we continue to murder
Those who've been convicted of murder
Enforced under the lie that it's deterrent of murder
Justifies their fucking murder
Sentenced to die
Sentenced to death
Capitol punishment
A tool of the terrorist
It's nothing more than a political weapon
It's not a deterrent
It's not a prevention
Kill one man
Spare another
Our justice system is based on color
Examine the facts
You have to face it
The American's crime is fucking racist
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind
Politicians who seek enhancement look towards murder for career advancement
They prey on fear and insecurity
To win support of the majority
Endorsing murder under false perceptions
Being tough on crime helps win elections
They're playing God
They have no right
It's premeditated political sacrifice
It's not about a murder or a crime committed
Not what was done, but who fucking did it
It's not about law or even justice
It's all about race and economic status
You can't judge a person by a stereotyped race
You have to look at the individual case
No life's returned by an execution
Another death is no solution
Their justice system is just our burden
The way they treat the average person
What about murder by government agents
Not capital punishment or even containment
These political pawns get away with murder
They're servants to the new world order
You'll see no outside intervention
Not a single death recommendation

[Dog]

Originally Posted by xxombie

I will express my feelings with song lyrics.

Those are some pretty retarded feelings.

What makes you think it's better to take someone's life by locking them way than by killing them in a fairly quick and painless way? The problem isn't that violent murderers are getting killed (and I'm sure you'd agree if you actually had to look at the crimes of many people on death row), it's that innocents can SOMETIMES get wrongfully accused. That doesn't necessarily mean that the death penalty needs to be taken off the table. Rather, improve the justice system so that innocent people don't get put in jail.

[PROJECT PAT]

Originally Posted by Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson

Mob mentality pussies, and emotional, vengefull lawmakers have the audacity to say taking a human life is wrong, while at the same time punishing it by taking a human life, either with death, or life inprisonment.

I believe any prison sentence, in excess of 20 years, for any number of crimes is cruel, and unusual punishment. We can go overseas, kill babies, mothers, and family men, but if some stuck up suburban facist bitch gets its skull peeled, its a big deal.

The problem is most people don't understand how long 20 years is. It is a lifetime in and of itself, and definately fits the severity of pre-meditated murder. Confinement in a cell, with no TV, and no freedom in and of itself is severe enough. Prisons need to be made more humane then now. I believe the overcrowding in county jails, and in booking, and processing rooms, where people aren't even proven guilty, is upmost cruel, and unusual punishment. People who do not agree with these statements are either angry, cowardly, or just lack the ability to intelligently examine the facts. They don't comprehend the effects of a 20 year prison sentence, and think hypocrasy is just punishment.

In conclusion, I believe capitol punishment should be abolished, and all prison/jail terms should be served simoultaneously, and no prison sentence should exceed 20 years. I also feel that people say shit like "LOL im gunna kill uzz cuz ill be out in 20 years" When you get out, and 90% of your life was abolished, the thought of returning, would be a good deterrent to re-committing crime.

Obviously it's not unconstitutional. It was even more widely used when they actually wrote the constitution than it is now. I do, however, think that the electric chair and lethal injection are cruel and unusual.

[xxombie]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

Those are some pretty retarded feelings.

What makes you think it's better to take someone's life by locking them way than by killing them in a fairly quick and painless way? The problem isn't that violent murderers are getting killed (and I'm sure you'd agree if you actually had to look at the crimes of many people on death row), it's that innocents can SOMETIMES get wrongfully accused. That doesn't necessarily mean that the death penalty needs to be taken off the table. Rather, improve the justice system so that innocent people don't get put in jail.

Exactly, but the justice system will always be biased, so letting the justice system kill people is fucking dumb.

[Mel "fuck kikes" Gibson]

If you have a problem with a murderer, get your own justice, and don't be the worst type of bitch in existence, a snitch. And if you fuck up, you'll be glad there is no capitol punishment. I can't understand why all people don't think like this.

[crazzyass]

It should only be used when evidence of premediated murder is beyond conclusive. I think it makes perfect sense. You intentionally rob someone's life and then ruin their families life as well, you've earned death.


And those who criticize eye for an eye...what would you suggest? Not punish people who are guilty? That's the point of a Justice System. It isn't revenge unless the victim or his/her family does it themself. (which is justified)


The "mob mentality" is more than justified. What if someone killed your spouse or child? If that happened to my family the murderer better hope the cops find them first.

You can all that "crude", or whatever way you want to arrogantly disregard it, but the vast overwhelming majority of people would kill the murderer of their child. And they are justified in doing so. However, to keep it from being revenge, we do it through the Justice System. Makes perfect sense.

[Dog]

It doesn't have to be the extreme, where the death penalty is off the table for everyone. I think they just need to rework the system where only the undeniably guilty (of the given heinous crime) would face death. There's no point in letting some mass murderer use up taxpayer money in a jail.

[PROJECT PAT]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

It doesn't have to be the extreme, where the death penalty is off the table for everyone. I think they just need to rework the system where only the undeniably guilty (of the given heinous crime) would face death. There's no point in letting some mass murderer use up taxpayer money in a jail.

because jail is like a resort and everyone is just there to mooch off the system. Also prisoner's eat better than most animals. /sarcasm

[Dog]

Originally Posted by PROJECT PAT

because jail is like a resort and everyone is just there to mooch off the system. Also prisoner's eat better than most animals. /sarcasm

I never said it was a resort. The fact remains that collectively they use up quite a bit of space and money. If someone is essentially undeniably guilty and is going to be rotting in jail for their entire life, then there's no reason to drag the whole ordeal out and waste space and money in the process. The actual method of death also needs to change. I hear the Chinese use a single bullet to the head...quick, and it costs 25 cents, as opposed to the costly procedures they use in America just so they don't disturb all of the pussies in this country.

[Wither]

I don't like the death penalty either, but not because I don't think murderers shouldn't be killed, they should be.

I just don't trust the government enough to give it the power to execute citizens.

[PROJECT PAT]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

I never said it was a resort. The fact remains that collectively they use up quite a bit of space and money. If someone is essentially undeniably guilty and is going to be rotting in jail for their entire life, then there's no reason to drag the whole ordeal out and waste space and money in the process. The actual method of death also needs to change. I hear the Chinese use a single bullet to the head...quick, and it costs 25 cents, as opposed to the costly procedures they use in America just so they don't disturb all of the pussies in this country.

quit fucking acting like you're the one getting the raw end of the deal because you have to pay income tax when they're the ones locked in cells, getting treated worse than dogs by the guards, and having to fight each other just so that they can keep gruel they get for breakfast.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by Wither

I don't like the death penalty either, but not because I don't think murderers shouldn't be killed, they should be.

I just don't trust the government enough to give it the power to execute citizens.

Precisely. Anyone who starts whining about how it's so barbaric or terrible to kill murderous shitbags almost instantly goes down in my book as a dumbass.

Besides, plenty of people are forced to be imprisoned for their entire lives for crimes they didn't commit. The death penalty isn't the problem, but the fact that the legal system can't always distinguish between guilty and innocent. If they want to take the death penalty off the table because people might actually be innocent, then they should take off long sentences too.

The point is: Fight the problem at its source. You guys are focused on innocent people getting the death penalty. You should be focused on improving the legal system such that innocents aren't ever in such a position in the first place.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by PROJECT PAT

quit fucking acting like you're the one getting the raw end of the deal because you have to pay income tax when they're the ones locked in cells, getting treated worse than dogs by the guards, and having to fight each other just so that they can keep gruel they get for breakfast.

Stop putting words into my mouth, moron. Many prisons are facing a problem with overcrowding and poor funding (meaning poor staffing and security measures, making the entire facility more suspectible to problems). There is no point in throwing money down the drain for the sake of social parasites. End of discussion.

The only valid point is the one that xxombie brought up, regarding the fact that innocent people can get caught by the system. If that variable could be eliminated, there would be no reason to NOT have the death penalty for certain levels of crime.

[PROJECT PAT]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

Stop putting words into my mouth, moron. Many prisons are facing a problem with overcrowding and poor funding (meaning poor staffing and security measures, making the entire facility more suspectible to problems). There is no point in throwing money down the drain for the sake of social parasites. End of discussion.

The only valid point is the one that xxombie brought up, regarding the fact that innocent people can get caught by the system. If that variable could be eliminated, there would be no reason to NOT have the death penalty for certain levels of crime.

I'm all for shooting social parasites in the face and getting it over with. Don't get me wrong, but there are a lot of people in prison who are good human beings. The majority of people in prisons are there for drug offenses. Is it really a class c felony 15 year punishment type crime to get caught with a measly $800 worth of cocaine?

Does that seem right to you?

[Rust]

Originally Posted by patton

there is on the other hand something deeply wrong with killing an innocent person.

But there's nothing wrong with a system that has allowed numerous innocent people to be sentenced to death and thus will inevitably kill an innocent person (if it hasn't already)... ?

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

There's no point in letting some mass murderer use up taxpayer money in a jail.

I can remember reading somewhere that maintaining the whole death sentence system, with all the legal wrangling etc etc, costs a lot more than it would to just incarcerate those found guilty, even taking into account long sentences.

Can anyone confirm that or better yet, provide a linl?

[JustAnotherAsshole]

[Rust]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

I can remember reading somewhere that maintaining the whole death sentence system, with all the legal wrangling etc etc, costs a lot more than it would to just incarcerate those found guilty, even taking into account long sentences.

Can anyone confirm that or better yet, provide a linl?

Sure:

"Maryland reinstated the death penalty in 1978 as a sentencing option for individuals convicted of felony homicide. Since then, five inmates have been executed and five others are on death row awaiting execution. Much has been written about the morality of the death penalty, and many empirical studies have investigated whether the presence of such a statute deters homicides. However there is limited rigorous empirical research on whether the death penalty increases or decreases the cost of prosecution and incarceration. To address this issue, we initiated a study to assess the death penalty’s costs to Maryland taxpayers. We study the lifetime costs of all homicides eligible to receive the death penalty where the homicide occurred between 1978 and 1999.

We found that an average capital-eligible case in which prosecutors did not seek the death penalty will cost Maryland taxpayers more than $1.1 million, including $870,000 in prison costs and $250,000 in costs of adjudication.

A capital-eligible case in which prosecutors unsuccessfully sought the death penalty will cost $1.8 million, $700,000 more than a comparable case in which the death penalty was not sought. Prison costs are about $950,000, and the cost of adjudication is $850,000, more than three times higher than in cases which were not capitally prosecuted.

An average capital-eligible case resulting in a death sentence will cost approximately $3 million, $1.9 million more than a case where the death penalty was not sought. In these cases, prison costs total about $1.3 million while the remaining $1.7 million are associated with adjudication."

The Cost of the Death Penalty in Maryland. 2008. URBAN INSTITUTE. Justice Policy Center.

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411...th_penalty.pdf



"Constitutional safeguards, both procedural and substantive, have been required by the U.S. Supreme Court to ensure a fair process for the defendant. These include protections to ensure due process, effective counsel, a fair and impartial jury, and proportionality of the punishment. Limited plea bargaining, lengthy pretrial motions, extensive investigations, increased use of expert witnesses, voir dire, peremptertory challenges, and extensive trial and appeal processes add significantly to the cost of the death penalty system. Thus, advocates of capital punishment who base their arguments on cost-effectiveness are in error. A constitutional death penalty system and execution process costs more than does life imprisonment -- an alternative that both punishes the convicted defendant and protects society. If the goal is a more effective criminal justice system, retentionists should reassess the overall practicality and desirability of continuing capital punishment when its costs, both financially and morally, undermine the system. 250 footnotes and sample questionnaire."

Cost of Taking a Life: Dollars and Sense of the Death Penalty.

University of California Davis Law Review Volume:18 Issue:4 Dated (Summer 1985) Pages:1221-1273

http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publication...aspx?ID=111119

[johnplywd]

Kill the killers, rape the rapist, Molest the molesters into truly being sorry for their crimes. These scum bags will never learn until they are dealt with harshly.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

I can remember reading somewhere that maintaining the whole death sentence system, with all the legal wrangling etc etc, costs a lot more than it would to just incarcerate those found guilty, even taking into account long sentences.

Can anyone confirm that or better yet, provide a linl?

I suppose that makes sense. If that's true then I guess I'll change my previous stance.

I guess it's not so much that I care about the death penalty staying, but my thought was that since it was already in place, as long as we could make sure it was actually getting rid of people who deserved it, there wouldn't be a problem.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

Originally Posted by johnplywd

Kill the killers, rape the rapist, Molest the molesters into truly being sorry for their crimes. These scum bags will never learn until they are dealt with harshly.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Revenge solves nothing. It doesn't remove the pain caused by these people, and it doesn't make up for their crimes. It only puts blood on another set of hands. In the case of State-Sponsored executions, it puts the blood on the hands of everyone, seeing as we all fund it with our taxes.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Revenge solves nothing. It doesn't remove the pain caused by these people, and it doesn't make up for their crimes. It only puts blood on another set of hands. In the case of State-Sponsored executions, it puts the blood on the hands of everyone, seeing as we all fund it with our taxes.

"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" sounds nice, but it doesn't actually make much sense in the real world.

The implication of the quote is that 50% of the world is going to get their eye taken out, and that that 50% will then respond by pulling out everyone else's eye. In actuality:

1) Criminals always make up a relatively small portion of society, so...only the number of criminals times two would be metaphorically blinded.

2) After a hypothetical criminal has "blinded" his victim, the damage is already done. If by blinding the criminal in turn you stop him from committing future crimes and deter other criminals, I would ask again, what is the problem?

[Jon "Fuck Asians" Stewart]

Every person executed saves 4 to 18 innocent lives. It should also be noted that 1372 people sentenced to death are black and 1805 are white. Black people only make up 12.8% of the US population. Don't give me any racial bias BS.

[ZeroMalarki]

I've got completely mixed views:

Proven serial killers with sadistic sociopathic views, whilst often very intelligent have no place on this earth. They are often unable to be cured or are caused by their society, they are just -abormalities-.

Having these men around costs money when they could just be shot and executed.

Same as child molesting paedophiles - do you think that whenever they are released they are going to be back to normal?




On the other hand, the justice system is never completely infallible - can you really say someone is proven guilty without any doubt?

[JustAnotherAsshole]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" sounds nice, but it doesn't actually make much sense in the real world.

The implication of the quote is that 50% of the world is going to get their eye taken out, and that that 50% will then respond by pulling out everyone else's eye. In actuality:

1) Criminals always make up a relatively small portion of society, so...only the number of criminals times two would be metaphorically blinded.

2) After a hypothetical criminal has "blinded" his victim, the damage is already done. If by blinding the criminal in turn you stop him from committing future crimes and deter other criminals, I would ask again, what is the problem?

The quote isn't meant to be taken literally.

The idea of that saying is that Revenge is fruitless.

Originally Posted by Jon "Fuck Asians" Stewart

Every person executed saves 4 to 18 innocent lives. It should also be noted that 1372 people sentenced to death are black and 1805 are white. Black people only make up 12.8% of the US population. Don't give me any racial bias BS.

Poverty breeds crime. Look at how many blacks live in poverty in the U.S. (By percentage) compared to how many whites live in poverty.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole

The quote isn't meant to be taken literally.

The idea of that saying is that Revenge is fruitless.

Lulz, I know it isn't literal. I was trying to show that the problem the quote presents isn't really an issue in real life, IMO.

If some guy purposely kills your friend, family member, etc., what exactly is wrong with killing him? It won't reverse the damage, but it will give you a sense of justice and it'll take a murderer of the street. The idea that it's fruitless seems very inaccurate...

[mxs]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

Lulz, I know it isn't literal. I was trying to show that the problem the quote presents isn't really an issue in real life, IMO.

If some guy purposely kills your friend, family member, etc., what exactly is wrong with killing him? It won't reverse the damage, but it will give you a sense of justice and it'll take a murderer of the street. The idea that it's fruitless seems very inaccurate...

That's called vengeance not justice

The way I look at it, it should depend on the circumstances of the crime. If the guy kill 20 people than yes, he should be put on death row. If he has a manslaughter charge he shouldn't do 5 years + for something he didn't do on purpose. The one problem with not putting people away for murder for 20 + is that all the families of the victims wouldn't be to happy and it would only cause more problems than it fixed. And to the OP jail life isn't as bad as your making it seem. It should stay the same for the most part but parole should be more widely available for people who actually get there head straight. Most gang members who kill aren't afraid to go back to jail so those are the type of people who shouldn't be let out. For the most part i think its all circumstancial