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Old 01-21-2012, 02:02 PM
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So, everyone knows the old "dummy iPhone in shrink wrap box" scam right?

Well most people sell them on craigslist/gumtree.

My friend has access to iPhone 4S dummy's which are 1:1. They are the same size and weight. They have everything the iPhone 4S has. My friend has a real iPhone 4 and compared it and they are identical.

My friend can get the dummy's for 10 each. And the iPhone 4S box with all accessories and booklets for 10 each.

He has a shrink wrap machine and can do it like a pro.

Total cost for the dummy kits - 20.

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He knows he can sell them on craigslist and make 300 pure profit, when he meets the buyer they sometimes ask to open it and he opens it and shows them the phone and it looks so fucking real they buy it.

But he can only sell like 1 a day doing this method.

Lets get some ideas where he can sell these things in bulk. He is thinking about like a fake market stall like on The Real Hustle. Where they get some crates and set up a stall for 20 minutes and sell them. Then move around.

If he sold 10 a day which would be easy that is 3000 pure profit.

So anybody got suggestions on where to sell?

These are not shitty dummy's, they are fucking perfect. You won't know the difference.
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Old 01-21-2012, 02:24 PM
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The dummy is similar to this, only much higher quality.

Very very hard to tell the difference.

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Old 01-21-2012, 03:41 PM
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all i know is if/when this works the only real dummies are these people. TBH everything ive sold on CL (mostly NOT electronic shit, but sporting equip) people check that stuff out from tip to tip to make sure its legit. maybe its just me and dealing with informed buyers
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:42 PM
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all i know is if/when this works the only real dummies are these people. TBH everything ive sold on CL (mostly NOT electronic shit, but sporting equip) people check that stuff out from tip to tip to make sure its legit. maybe its just me and dealing with informed buyers
Yeah but you gotta push and intimidate the buyer, make them hurry and hand over cash. Social engineering.

Act like a pussy and they will walk all over you.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:14 PM
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Yeah but you gotta push and intimidate the buyer, make them hurry and hand over cash. Social engineering.

Act like a pussy and they will walk all over you.
Well to be honest I never bought a phone without testing it first.Like make a call from it , look for the wireless ,and check the camera.Usually it takes 2 minutes.
Usually when the seller make me hurry coz "the phone is stolen and the police might come " or shits like these i dump the deal or invite him in my car.

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all i know is if/when this works the only real dummies are these people. TBH everything ive sold on CL (mostly NOT electronic shit, but sporting equip) people check that stuff out from tip to tip to make sure its legit. maybe its just me and dealing with informed buyers
Same with me , whenever i tried to sold something the goods have been checked.


Now regarding what u said about your friend selling them on a fake market stall I think he is going to be exposed and it's too risky.IF i was him ,instead of making 3.000 in a day with a lot of risk , better do same amount in 10 days , but with lower risk.

But again, that's just me, not your friend.

Usually reseller buy in bulk when is a good price for product , but sometimes resellers can brake some bones for trying to rip them.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:35 PM
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Well to be honest I never bought a phone without testing it first.Like make a call from it , look for the wireless ,and check the camera.Usually it takes 2 minutes.
Usually when the seller make me hurry coz "the phone is stolen and the police might come " or shits like these i dump the deal or invite him in my car.



Same with me , whenever i tried to sold something the goods have been checked.


Now regarding what u said about your friend selling them on a fake market stall I think he is going to be exposed and it's too risky.IF i was him ,instead of making 3.000 in a day with a lot of risk , better do same amount in 10 days , but with lower risk.

But again, that's just me, not your friend.

Usually reseller buy in bulk when is a good price for product , but sometimes resellers can brake some bones for trying to rip them.
The dummy is sold as a brand new iPhone. You cant turn on any new phone straight fresh out of the box without fucking it up.

Just say it isnt charged.

Maybe he will just try get 2-3 sales a day on craigslist.

1000 a day not bad.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:44 PM
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The dummy is sold as a brand new iPhone. You cant turn on any new phone straight fresh out of the box without fucking it up.

Just say it isnt charged.

Maybe he will just try get 2-3 sales a day on craigslist.

1000 a day not bad.
LOL your friend won't even be able to sell 1 day without getting caught in a week. The first guy that gets scammed will inform the cops and they will infiltrate your business and bust you within days. You MIGHT be able to sell 1, or at the most 2, a week successfully without it getting hot.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:50 PM
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LOL your friend won't even be able to sell 1 day without getting caught in a week. The first guy that gets scammed will inform the cops and they will infiltrate your business and bust you within days. You MIGHT be able to sell 1, or at the most 2, a week successfully without it getting hot.
Just like the Real Hustle, you can go round in a van and ask random people and they will buy.

Or set up a fake market stall for 30mins and then leave.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:56 PM
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Or he can try to pull out some tricks , like he drops the phone in a crowded pub/bur .Than ask the guy next to him : hey is this your phone ? etc etc and at the end he said something like : "listen i dont have much cash u could give me 150 and keep it " He can even start it and play a bit with it , for the victim to see that the phone is working ,and then switch the battery with an empty one , to be on the safe side just in case he/ she want to check it.

Just an idea , u could start thinking and make some variations
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:13 PM
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my friend done this on ebay scamming alot of fuckers out

well list the phone on a hacked ebay and say u got problems with your paypal and tell them to send money to your bank account
so get a prepaid card like mycashcard and they have acount number and sortcode tell them to send u the money there this way they get fuck all
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:59 AM
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But he can only sell like 1 a day doing this method.
Why can he only sell one a day? Why not post one ad & arrange to meet a few people on the same day? Would probably be best that way b/c what the guy below said may very well happen.

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LOL your friend won't even be able to sell 1 day without getting caught in a week. The first guy that gets scammed will inform the cops and they will infiltrate your business and bust you within days. You MIGHT be able to sell 1, or at the most 2, a week successfully without it getting hot.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:20 AM
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Why can he only sell one a day? Why not post one ad & arrange to meet a few people on the same day? Would probably be best that way b/c what the guy below said may very well happen.
Agreed ShadyLady, like make appointments and stuff e.g.

11:00AM - Meet buyer 1 at location 1
12:00AM - Meet buyer 2 at location 2

etc..

My friend did this scam once and he got 100 replies to 1 ad in 24 hours.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:53 AM
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i would probably try something like this should i have access to the box with all accessories and booklets and a shrink wrap machine. seems liek an easy way to make a quick payout
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:37 AM
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i would probably try something like this should i have access to the box with all accessories and booklets and a shrink wrap machine. seems liek an easy way to make a quick payout
It's a great way. People underestimate it so much.

iPhone 4 Box + Accessories + Books = 12.99 eBay
iPhone 4 1:1 Dummy = 9.99 eBay
Shrink Wrap Bags = 2 eBay

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Old 01-22-2012, 07:49 PM
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The idea would be that my friend wouldn't need to use the internet.

He could set up a stall for 30 mins like this. He could have a shill like Jess in the video.

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Old 01-22-2012, 09:08 PM
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The idea would be that my friend wouldn't need to use the internet.

He could set up a stall for 30 mins like this. He could have a shill like Jess in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRfnrQH2r7U
You came with this idea first , we kinda tried to avoid it , and now u came again.
Well..if I would you I would not expose myself like that, and maybe I am not the only one thinking like that.

Now, if you are planning to setup this next to a highschool maybe , and your targets would be dumb kids , u might succeed.
But I am thinking from my point of view and usually i am into 25-35 age ranges so not me nor my friends would bite it.

Also you have to take in consideration that someone can bit the shit out of you if they discover its a fake, when they're next to your stall .

Why are you trying to avoid the internet?
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:26 PM
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You came with this idea first , we kinda tried to avoid it , and now u came again.
Well..if I would you I would not expose myself like that, and maybe I am not the only one thinking like that.

Now, if you are planning to setup this next to a highschool maybe , and your targets would be dumb kids , u might succeed.
But I am thinking from my point of view and usually i am into 25-35 age ranges so not me nor my friends would bite it.

Also you have to take in consideration that someone can bit the shit out of you if they discover its a fake, when they're next to your stall .

Why are you trying to avoid the internet?
I guess I would be exposed.

Using the Internet is fine but you can only do a few and you have to arrange meets.

Rather just head into town with 10 and sell them. 3000.
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Who buys an iPhone off a market stall?
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Who buys an iPhone off a market stall?
I would buy an Iphone of a market stall but NOT withouth checking it.Because If he is going to offer a big discount , at a market stall having several same type phones, I would think that something is fishy.

If he is going to sell one by one to different buyers , I would think as a buyer :"well maybe the guy stole a phone and is a junky and now he s trying to make some quick cash" But when I see a market stall with brand new phones , at big discounts I would think why the hell he's selling them so cheap??And this would rise a flag!

At my age i learnt that these discounts are usually to good to be true,and I am afraid I am not the only one.

Well..if he really wants to follow this path , and selling the phones of a stall , he could at least make not such a big discount , and maybe cut a bit the price when the buyer really intend to buy it,in order to appear that the phones are genuine,or try to force the buyer to buy in bulk (2-3 phones) at a lower price.

Also when he sells the phones at a stall , he has to take in consideration his age.If he's to young he appear as a scammer or re-seller ,but if he's old enough he can give the impression of stolen items from a shop burglary or something.

I hope I gave you a good explanation why I wouldn't sell them of a stall , and if I would do it , how I would make it.
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So I have received the iPhone 4 32GB box and the dummy. The dummy is exact 1:1. My sister has the real iPhone 4 and I gave the dummy to her and she thought it was real.

I will shrink wrap it later and post up photos. Then advertise it on Gumtree and sell it for 300. Once it works I will buy more boxes and dummies.

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So you u decided on selling them online instead of offline?
Let us know how it works.
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So you u decided on selling them online instead of offline?
Let us know how it works.
Well I have just got the stuff. I will sell online. Aim for 2-3 per week. Which is 600-900 pure profit.

But I want to figure out a way to sell offline without being exposed too much.

I have a few ideas but time will tell.

Will upload a photo guide later on of my progress.
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Well I have just got the stuff. I will sell online. Aim for 2-3 per week. Which is 600-900 pure profit.

But I want to figure out a way to sell offline without being exposed too much.

I have a few ideas but time will tell.

Will upload a photo guide later on of my progress.
Be careful yo. Even 3 a week will get hot quick, if you're selling them in the same area
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Be careful yo. Even 3 a week will get hot quick, if you're selling them in the same area
Which is why I'm trying to think of offline methods.

But the idea is when you place an ad you get at least 10 responses, so you accept 3 and meet everyone on the same day at different times.

But we need to think of offline methods where you can sell like 5-10 in a day. Because this scam is fucking mint and can make you rich.
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Photos taken whilst preparing my first kit:

1) The new iPhone box with all accessories, 12.99 on eBay. 32GB version.


2) The front of the iPhone dummy. It is exact 1:1. Very good model. 9.99 on eBay.


3) The back of the iPhone dummy.


4) The iPhone dummy goes into the box with all accessories, this is what the buyer will see if he opens it. 1:1.


5) The iPhone box is put into an 8" x 12" shrink wrap bag. Corners are sealed using an impulse sealer for professional results.


6) The finished product! Buyer will be fooled!

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Maybe it can't make you RICH, but it can definitely bring in money.
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For that profit it would be worth travelling to different areas, try to set up a few for one day etc. Train fares aren't too bad.
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For that profit it would be worth travelling to different areas, try to set up a few for one day etc. Train fares aren't too bad.
Yeah good idea.

1 week sell in town1, the next week sell in town2 etc.. then repeat in a cycle.

Train fares won't be an issue as this scam is big money.

I just have dreams of going somewhere and somehow selling 10 in a day and making 3000/$5000 pure profit. Fuck.
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It's just like what I do with G-Shocks and Dr. Dre Beats headphones. The fakes are so identical. Why doesn't he sell on eBay or iOffer?
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Yeah good idea.

1 week sell in town1, the next week sell in town2 etc.. then repeat in a cycle.

Train fares won't be an issue as this scam is big money.

I just have dreams of going somewhere and somehow selling 10 in a day and making 3000/$5000 pure profit. Fuck.
This & I would do it near a high school as mentioned above. Teenagers are easier to scam & don't have the real life experience adults have that make them more alert of the possibilities of being scammed.
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It's just like what I do with G-Shocks and Dr. Dre Beats headphones. The fakes are so identical. Why doesn't he sell on eBay or iOffer?
Because the iPhone is not fake. It is a non working dummy! But 1:1 exact until you turn it on. Aesthetically its 100% like original.
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I think OP has greatly underestimated the intelligence of the average human being. But then again, anyone who believes shrink wrap is the seal of god deserves to fall for this stupid trick.
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Photos taken whilst preparing my first kit:

1) The new iPhone box with all accessories, 12.99 on eBay. 32GB version.


2) The front of the iPhone dummy. It is exact 1:1. Very good model. 9.99 on eBay.


3) The back of the iPhone dummy.


4) The iPhone dummy goes into the box with all accessories, this is what the buyer will see if he opens it. 1:1.


5) The iPhone box is put into an 8" x 12" shrink wrap bag. Corners are sealed using an impulse sealer for professional results.


6) The finished product! Buyer will be fooled!

BTW, thanks for posting pics. Visual aids are always nice.
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I think OP has greatly underestimated the intelligence of the average human being. But then again, anyone who believes shrink wrap is the seal of god deserves to fall for this stupid trick.
Wrong. The dummy is fucking perfect. I showed it to my sister who has a real iPhone 4 and she didn't know.

Read the whole thing before just assuming its a box of rocks numpty.
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This & I would do it near a high school as mentioned above. Teenagers are easier to scam & don't have the real life experience adults have that make them more alert of the possibilities of being scammed.
A very poor idea, in my opinion (sorry to shoot you down). Assuming you have a record, High schools and schools in general tend to have a great amount of cameras in the vicinity, especially in urban areas (basing on where I am from).
It won't take long for a student to report you to the police and get in contact with the school (which will be very easy to do), followed by figuring out who you are and tracing it back to the other fakes being sold throughout the state.

As clever as this whole thing might seem, it will be very easy to figure out that someone is jumping between towns selling these things. One photo taken of you selling this iphone in 'city a', and another photo taken of you selling it in 'city b', is enough to get them coming after you (at least if I were one of them).

For the sake of being safe (which I believe anyone in this business should make a #1 priority), it's good to think about these types of scenarios. As unlikely as you think it might not happen, it is still likely.

My suggestion would be the following:
1. Stay away from large public areas, there is always something in the area that can spot you, especially highly populated parts of town.
Especially keep away from selling on government owned property such as, airports, civic centers, theatres, etc. they are filled with cctv (doesn't matter if you think you don't see them).

2. Try altering your appearance as much as you can. A wig with a hat on top, colored contacts to change your eye color and glasses will go a very long way. Even if you have no record, other people can still identify you. Make it as hard as possible for someone else to identify you.

3. Keep your prints off of the box. If you've touched it during handling time and you have a record, you are as good as caught.

4. Don't create any patterns during your motives.

5. Don't use any device that connects to your real identity when you are online. At the very least, spoof your mac address and you use an open connection somewhere (unless you have the knowledge to crack the connection). Browse anonymously. Opera browser has the option of making "private tabs" to hide your browsing history. It's not the best of the best, but it's worthy if you are going all the way with this and very easy for the computer illiterate (which most people are). If you do know how to really work with a computer, then you know what to do. On top of that, you would know how to spoof an email address to be used for sending and receiving as well.
Try to avoid calls. If anything, use some form of voip instead of your cellphone.

6. Don't be greedy. Even doing 1 per week is risky in my opinion, unless you really got everything together. If you can manage 2 in one day, dealing twice a month, that will add an extra $1200 (roughly) to your month's earning.
This, in my opinion, is much safer, and still very rewarding.

The less you expose yourself, the better it is. Dealing with 10 people in one day means nothing!

All it means is that you are taking less days out of the week. The fact is, you are exposing yourself 10 times to 10 different people, who will all more than likely report you and have something to compare.
If you are shooting for 10 times, you should consider taking the effort to deal out of state.

These are just my "overboard" views. You don't have to consider any of them.
However, maybe consider this, if you break any of those 6 rules/"suggestions" then you should know that even I could catch you. If I can catch you, I don't see why someone else who is dedicated and has more authority and privileges can't.

Just watch your tracks closely. Selling it to some schmuck takes virtually no effort or even much "social engineering". Its the getaway that gets people caught.
Good luck and most important be safe

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Food for thought I've owned 2 iPhones in my life they come charged or some battery so they turn right on
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Food for thought I've owned 2 iPhones in my life they come charged or some battery so they turn right on
This could be a problem. I did some research and found that Apple products come in at about halfway charged

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Old 01-29-2012, 03:22 AM
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Here in america, you don't go into a store and ask them to open up the sealed box.

The same applies to your sale. A buyer cannot demand you to rip open your "brand new" box, just for them to peep inside and only then decide if they want it or not. This deters the value. If a buyer like this comes around, just move on by.

The market for iphones is huge. You will always find a person who will not give such a demand. This is where patience plays it's roll.
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