hey my girlfriend has a massive problem.

[Mordisk]

We have no idea what is wrong with her.
Right now im on the phone with her and shes drifting off to sleep or nodding off too lots of kratom i prescribed her. shes been on it for about 3 days now.
but it too is not helping very much, just masking the pain.
Here's the deal
she used to drink way too many monster energy drinks in the past.
I got her to stop.
After she quit, she developed this weird Heart problem where her chest literally bumps outward, and her heart beat is very irregular to say the least.
she's been to doctors and they send her home because they dont know whats wrong with her.
The last doctor said he thinks its stress.
and i actually believe this, but he told her to take advil and tylenol, wtf?
fucking quack
so only when the night falls she starts getting this problem, its fucking weird.
every night around 6pm her heart starts dong this, literally buldging out of her chest with her irregular heartbeat pattern, its like her heart is extremely huge or very very strong so it forces outward.
after the monster bullshit she started drinking lots and lots of coffee Too much coffee, and im sure that didnt help one bit either.
so she quit about 2 weeks ago. and thats when it started getting really bad, now every night she gets massive restless legs and her heart hurts her so bad that she just cries the most helpless cry ive ever heard . it makes me just want cry.
instead of doing that im using all that energy to figure out wtf is wrong with her.
she just took about an ounce of kratom and now shes alot more relaxed and the pain has been masked well, but it still hurts her and i still hear it but the cries are much less intense, i think she's slipped into a nod with the kratom now, i hope so cuz this fucking sucks.


anyways yes we both know that she got herself into this, and we're both commited to getting her out no matter what it takes. we will figure out whats wrong with her but for now Im just wondering if any body has any idea what this may be? i firmly believe you're better off doing meth for 12 months than pounding monsters for 12 months.


so im thinking the restless legs are still from the caffeine withdrawal because its been almost 2 weeks now and she was drinking Lots of coffee, but i didnt know caffeine withdrawal can last for this long... and the kratom isn't killing the restless legs, which is fucking odd because i know i can be horribly sick and then take an ounce or w/e of kratom and my RLS is completely relieved, ive done this many times. and opiate withdrawal is wayy stronger than caffeine withdrawal... So WTF do you think is causing these restless legs ? its been like 2 weeks of hearing her cry everynight because of this horrible pain she describes as needles stabbing her heart. fuckin emo weird but thats how she feels.


thanks

[Xlite]

Sounds like withdrawel, caffeine withdrawal.

Get her back on it, and then slowly tap off it.

[arleybob]

sounds like some kind of withdrawals

how well do you know her diet, caffeine aside?

[Endeity]

The advil thins her blood, lowering the chance of a heart attack. Might not be a bad idea to listen to the doctor.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

smoke meth

[DiStOrTiOn]

how does she react to alcohol/benzos, beta-blockers, or serotonergic drugs like md/m/a?

[Mordisk]

she hates alchohol she's never taken the 2nd one you said and i wouldnt let her anyways, this is my fiance dude not some random teen slut i fucked lastnight.
her diet is shit she hardly eats but i make her check in with me now everytime she eats so i know. coffee is the only drug she was taking,

also guys how long can she be on this kratom without experiencing withdrawal? i dont want to put her in more withdrawal


ill tell her to take advil
and we both understand that i am not a doctor just semi knowledgeable with drugs so i know what i can give her without fucking her over.
but she hates going to the doctors cus they all say the same shit. but she has another one with a diff doctor next week. but if this next quack doesnt prescribe her some heart medication she's gonna be in the same position until we find something to chill her buldging heart out.
its like tom and jerry when the cats heart buldges cuz he falls in love, but ofcourse hers isn't that dramatic,


i was thinking about buying some etizolam to help her stress level but thats again only a mask, were not gonna have her all fucked up on drugs for the rest of her life she barely even takes the kratom but that shit is hard to wash down ;/

[Vargus]

Sounds pretty textbook for caffeine withdrawal, except for the cardiac arrhythmia. In the meantime definitely keep with bloodthinners like aspirin, but don't go wild with the Tylenol since it's a hepatoxin.

Sorry I can't figure out anything more.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Mordisk

she hates alchohol she's never taken the 2nd one you said and i wouldnt let her anyways

If it's something simple like a neurotransmitter imbalance or excess adrenaline then you could find out quickly by using those

and if it persists then it's probably a physiological problem


do the problems go away if she takes caffeine?

[Mordisk]

cool how long has the longest you've ever heard caffein withdrawal last for?

[arleybob]

withdrawals can vary, but they'd be more intense if she stopped cold turkey as opposed to weening off.

also, a shit diet plays a HUGE factor in this, caffeine beside the point. she needs a well-balanced diet in order to bring her physical issues to an end, or at least put a huge dent into them.

[crazzyass]

Get her caffeine pills, now. Wean her off over several weeks.

The pill form will make it a little less addictive. Coffee's aroma, warmth, taste, even the ritual of preparation, can all be enticing. Caffeine pills will kill the withdrawl and then it's all a matter of pacing.

[STD]

Originally Posted by Mordisk

After she quit, she developed this weird Heart problem where her chest literally bumps outward, and her heart beat is very irregular to say the least.

be careful stuff like that never ends well

[ManCannon]

Originally Posted by Mordisk

lots of kratom i prescribed her

Mordisk MD

[mksnowboarder]

I get the same shit when trying to sleep, my heart feeling like it's beating waaay to hard or something, but it looks normal on an EKG, and I've been experiencing it for a year so far, and I'm not dead yet. Just disturbing and hurts my sleep onset time.

mike

[yawanur]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachycardia

[is all mememememe with me]

tl;dr

but why would ou ask &z rather than a doctor?

[JC Denton]

The RLS is from dopamine deficiency, which is a part of caffeine withdrawal. Just give her some Restful Legs - a quinine-based OTC med.

[RIPtotse]

bummer man.

good advice in this thread.

but i would really focus on just calming her down; reassure her that she will be okay and it is just a caffine withdrawal.

the mind can be very powerful and she is probably getting a bit freaked out, and that is not going to help one bit.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Mordisk

so im thinking the restless legs are still from the caffeine withdrawal because its been almost 2 weeks now and she was drinking Lots of coffee, but i didnt know caffeine withdrawal can last for this long... and the kratom isn't killing the restless legs, which is fucking odd because i know i can be horribly sick and then take an ounce or w/e of kratom and my RLS is completely relieved, ive done this many times. and opiate withdrawal is wayy stronger than caffeine withdrawal... So WTF do you think is causing these restless legs ? its been like 2 weeks of hearing her cry everynight because of this horrible pain she describes as needles stabbing her heart. fuckin emo weird but thats how she feels.


thanks

ok i'm no doctor but you gotta realize that caffiene withdrawel(if that's what it is) is totally different to opiate withdrawel. its two completely different drugs. not sure but you could be making the problem worse by giving her this. i mean you wouldn't give her methadone for it. i'd try giving her half an energy drink and seeing if the symptoms are relieved. if so then cut her down more gradually.

have you even looked up caffeine dependence?

[Rust]

You said you took her to a doctor... what kind of doctor? A cardiologist or some shitty family doctor?

[kingOfCrash]

I think I have an enlarged heart, and a similar condition as your girlfriend. My chest pulsates. It feels like my heart is too big for my chest. Hawthorn berries help me.

[Marsh]

sounds like you need a new girlfriend?

[靠rent-a-jew輩]

fucking hell I knew those energy drinks were bad for you, but I didn't know it was THAT bad.

[a334jv2df]

Can you quantify her daily caffeine consumption? I highly doubt that she would be seeing such drastic effects, especially after 14 days of abstinence.

What, if any, psychological conditions are present alongside the physiological effects? How long do the physiological effects last? Has she experience these physiological effects in the presence of a doctor, or has she only conveyed the symptoms to him or her?

It doesn't sound drug induced to me. Again, I'm not a doctor, but it sounds like your girlfriend just has a heart condition that has yet to be diagnosed.

[iMagiNation]

I wonder if its the caffeine withdrawal or the sudden lack of all those B vitamins and shit in "energy" drinkz.

[1983]

I googled energy drink deaths and they're pretty up there... This one made me smile the most.
http://nyc.barstoolsports.com/random...face-and-dies/

Best advice has all ready been given in this thread.. Feed the bitch properly and ween her off the goods... Maybe substitute so good hard dickings to her before she goes to bed.

Al

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

I wonder if its the caffeine withdrawal or the sudden lack of all those B vitamins and shit in "energy" drinkz.

I really doubt it's the B vitamins causing arrhythmia. Though they could be contributing I guess.

[Orpheus]

Why dont u test it. Give her another monster (drink, not cock) Then see if the heart shit goes away. If it does, once it comes back. Give her some pro plus/caffine pills. Then if it gets rid of the symptoms you know its caffine related. If it doesnt then its something else in the drink. Or alternatively it could be completely coincidental and has nothing to do with the energy drinks. Also your an idiot for not listening to a Doc, because you have chowed down on a cocktail of the drugs in the past you think you know better than the doctor. You deserve an OBE or something....

[Mordisk]

Originally Posted by RIPtotse

bummer man.

good advice in this thread.

but i would really focus on just calming her down; reassure her that she will be okay and it is just a caffine withdrawal.

the mind can be very powerful and she is probably getting a bit freaked out, and that is not going to help one bit.

it is NoT just the caffeine w/e the restless legs yes and lack of sleep maybe.
but the cardiac arrythmia is the worst thing about all of this and its not associated with caffeine w/d.

but i think thats going away so shes been passin out everynight and her heart is getting better, shes getting less attacks but shes also been taking half a ounce or an ounce a day of Kratom which isn't alot for us ex opiate drug addict heads here but for a girl who doesnt visit totse and doesnt do drugs thats alot. i mean she smokes pot rarely but thats about it. shes passed out noww and shes been doing well, thanks for all of these replies

obe fuck you you didnt even read the thread shes been taking what he told her to take he just wont give her any heart medicine because the 5 that we've all gone threw says they dont know what it is my whole family works in the medical field man believe it or not doctors are fuckin pricks and alot are dumb and dont give a fuck about the patient. they just wear the uniform because they went to school.

[JoePedo]

Holy fuck...

I am NOT your doctor.

Originally Posted by Mordisk

so she quit about 2 weeks ago. and thats when it started getting really bad, now every night she gets massive restless legs...

Decreased dopamine.

Originally Posted by Mordisk

After she quit, she developed this weird Heart problem where her chest literally bumps outward, and her heart beat is very irregular to say the least.

Increased b-hydroxycatecholamines.

The logical implication - for both of these - is inappropriate upregulation of DBH. A nice spread of hypericin-spectrum anthroquinones should inhibit the excess.

Of course, there's probably a lot of general total dysregulation as well. 'n incidentally...

Originally Posted by Mordisk

so she quit about 2 weeks ago. and thats when it started getting really bad, now every night she gets massive restless legs...

GABA agonists tend to offset MOST of the downsides of dopaminergic synthesis inhibition, which it causes... and are the other category of drug used for RLS...

Originally Posted by Mordisk

After she quit, she developed this weird Heart problem where her chest literally bumps outward, and her heart beat is very irregular to say the least.

...and both increase the seizure threshold (which is obviously an issue here), and decrease nor/epinephrine...

...so you could just tell that bitch to drink a beer 'n quit bitchin'. OTOH, she'd crash hard off ethanol where other people would just experience slight insomnia - her baseline is already the symptoms of extreme alcohol withdrawl, yay - so... stick with targeting DBH, I'm guessing.

Originally Posted by Mordisk

and the kratom isn't killing the restless legs, which is fucking odd because i know i can be horribly sick and then take an ounce or w/e of kratom and my RLS is completely relieved, ive done this many times. and opiate withdrawal is wayy stronger than caffeine withdrawal... So WTF do you think is causing these restless legs ?

Horrific fucking dysregulation.

I'd imagine that trying to completely disregulate everything in a new direction would work much better.

PLUR.

[Mirana]

I'd be really worried to if something was wrong with my girlfriend. How is she doing now?

you say you're family are all in medical but you can't find a good doctor yet? dang and I thought I had it bad with a doctor who prescribes anti depressants for everything.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by Mordisk

After she quit, she developed this weird Heart problem where her chest literally bumps outward, and her heart beat is very irregular to say the least.
she's been to doctors and they send her home because they dont know whats wrong with her.

Weird symptoms, especially since they are occurring after caffeine has been discontinued. Well, there are a few treatment options here. I actually would not recommend kratom here because it contains stimulant compounds that could potentially exacerbate the problem.

First, how does she respond to alcohol? Does having a few drinks mitigate the symptoms? If so, an unregulated benzodiazepine might be of help. Alternatively, if that doesn't do it, beta-blockers might be efficacious, though if buying them online they'll take forever to ship to you. Though, if you do decide to try beta-blockers, start at a REALLY LOW dosage, as beta blockers can make some cardiovascular problems worse. Finally, I know little about them, but calcium channel blockers are commonly prescribed for a different kind of heart pain and hypertension.

By the way, how much weed does she smoke? Also, what is a good estimate of her body mass index?

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

my girlfriend has a massive cock

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by JoePedo

I am NOT your doctor.

Though ironically he may be more qualified in many ways.

Originally Posted by JoePedo

The logical implication - for both of these - is inappropriate upregulation of DBH. A nice spread of hypericin-spectrum anthroquinones should inhibit the excess.

Translation: liberal application of St John's Wart. However, I must advise if you do go this route, you'll have to try many brands and dosages of the stuff. One thing that was pointed out by others on this site is that though most brands standardize for hypericin content, all the other useful chemicals vary widely.

Originally Posted by JoePedo

...so you could just tell that bitch to drink a beer 'n quit bitchin'. OTOH, she'd crash hard off ethanol where other people would just experience slight insomnia - her baseline is already the symptoms of extreme alcohol withdrawl, yay - so... stick with targeting DBH, I'm guessing.

IIRC, etizolam was recently shown to me minimal in the extent to which it creates GABA dysregulation on it's own. Something about binding to a different subunit of the GABA receptor. Low dosage of the stuff might capture the benefit of ethanol without the large side-effect profile. Otherwise, LOW doses of other benzos might still work in the long term, as long as they're kept below a certain level.

Originally Posted by JoePedo

PLUR.

wtf is this shit faggot

[rustyshackleford420]

Well an ounce of kratom is a lot, but why should you expect something with opiate like effects to help with stimulant withdrawals? No shit it would help if your going through opiate wd's. Instead buy a whole bottle of no doze pills and have her eat all of them, it'll be her last case of restless legs.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

ive been doing about 8g of kratom for the last 3 months and i notice now i wake up every morning with the crazy leg syndrome, kratom wont help.

[Average Fuckin Joe]

Have you considered that Maybe shes just weak & pathetic as fuck!

I drink monsters religiously, when I have to pull 36hr shifts. I never have any problems.

Energy drinks do raise your blood pressure though... maybe that has something to do with it?

Originally Posted by sexually vulnerable CPR dummy

ive been doing about 8g of kratom for the last 3 months and i notice now i wake up every morning with the crazy leg syndrome, kratom wont help.

Restless legs - YouTube

Restless legs - YouTube
Video: click to display

Serious shit brah!!!

[Akagi]

Originally Posted by Hydroponichronic

TTranslation: liberal application of St John's Wart. However, I must advise if you do go this route, you'll have to try many brands and dosages of the stuff. One thing that was pointed out by others on this site is that though most brands standardize for hypericin content, all the other useful chemicals vary widely.

I was considering trying this stuff out for depression, but in the process of doing my due diligence I discovered that there is a very large base of people reporting vision problems since they started taking the stuff amongst other things. My eyesight is bad enough as it is, so I opted to avoid it.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by Akagi

I was considering trying this stuff out for depression, but in the process of doing my due diligence I discovered that there is a very large base of people reporting vision problems since they started taking the stuff amongst other things. My eyesight is bad enough as it is, so I opted to avoid it.

Vision problems? Sounds alarming. Were they reversible?