Would this smash and grab be successful?

[iswim]

So, if you were to burglarize a jewelry store at night time, like a smash and grab, just grab all the jewelry you can, what are the chances of getting caught? The operation would go something like this.

Scoping it out) The thief would scope out the store for a few weeks prior to hitting it. He would look at how the shopping plaza is structured, where the expensive stuff in the store is, etc.

Preparation) The thief would be dressed with a thick dark hoodie, a dark ski mask, dark baggy pants, thick dark gloves, and some shitty shoes he hasn't worn in a while. He would have to steal a car. In the car, eh would have fresh clothes and shoes to change into, as well as a trashbag to throw all the clothes into. For the hit, he would be armed with a small, hard, handheld hammer, and a BIG bag to load the jewelry in. In the car, he would also have a couple of gallons of gasoline, a water gun loaded with gasoline (will be explained later), and a lighter. The hit would be done on a slow night (Monday), at a slow time (4AM). The thief would also need a partner, who would be dressed just like him, and follow the same procedures. Another "clean" car would have to be at residence where the two stay. The crooks should also know of a place, hidden place, where a car could be burnt. The crooks should also invest into a nice police radar, so they can hear the feds coming, so the feds don't interrupt while the hit is going on.

The hit) The crook would just smash in the door with the hammer, smash all the shelves, and load the jewelry in the bag. Since the alarm will be ringing, he should be in and out in less than 75-90 seconds. The hit should be something like this:

Court TV : $100k Jewelery Robbery In 55 Secs - YouTube

Court TV : $100k Jewelery Robbery In 55 Secs - YouTube
Video: click to display

Destroying evidence) Once the 2 crooks have loaded the jewelry in the bag and thrown it in the car, the 2 crooks should grab the gasoline loaded waterguns and start spraying the entire store. Spray the ATM since it has a camera, spray all the walls, the floor, the other cameras, and torch the entire store. They should then get in the stolen car, and ONE OF THEM should change into new clean clothes, and put all the "dirty" clothes in the trashbag, as previously mentioned. They should then drive to their residence, where the "clean" car is, and they should leave the gold at the crib. The guy who is now clean, with clean clothes, nothing bad on him, should get in the clean car, and follow the "dirty" crook in the "dirty" car as they go to the hidden area where they plan on torching the evidence. Once they're there, the "dirty" crook should change into clean clothes, and put the dirty clothes in the trashbag with the other dirty clothes, as well as any other evidence like the water guns, hammer, etc. Then they dump gasoline all over the car, which has the trashbags in it, and torch it all. The 2 crooks, who should now be in completely clean clothes, in a clean car, with no gold on them or the car (the gold should be at home, as previously mentioned), should now head home.

Staying low) Melt the gold quickly, and STORE it in a secure place. Dig a hole in your backyard if you have to. Store the gold for a while, months if you have to. The value of it won't go down, since it's gold. For a while, act like the night never happened. Don't talk about it, don't think about it, don't act on it. Months after the crime, slowly start pawning/trading the gold in for cash.

How is it, Zoklet? I've been working hard to perfect it. Any flaws in it? Any tips you have? Does it seem foolproof? I think it does, but I need some other opinions. The store should be burnt, taking evidence away from the feds, and giving them much more of a hassle since they have to put out the fire. Thank you very much, if you took the time to read this, and respond

[Qhost]

Originally Posted by iswim

Destroying evidence) Once the 2 crooks have loaded the jewelry in the bag and thrown it in the car, the 2 crooks should grab the gasoline loaded waterguns and start spraying the entire store. Spray the ATM since it has a camera, spray all the walls, the floor, the other cameras, and torch the entire store.

Don't torch the shop or the ATM. Waste of time. It's a public shop, any evidence, short of it being a chunk of hair in the display or your blood on the glass is worthless. Why? Because it's a shop, there will be hundreds, thousands of peoples hair/DNA/finger prints all over. A fire will probably guarantee a faster response and the fire will raise attention as soon as you light it.

Many shopping centres have night-time guards. Even if they only sit in the security office munching doughnuts, they're there. I know this from fucking around in these places when I shouldn't and seeing them through their windows playing solitaire. Be aware of this.

Since it's a shopping centre the shop's office will be above the shop and no-one will live nearby. Consider going in through the roof. It's pretty common with organized crime nowadays. It also means your escape will more more sophisticated and there will be less CCTV of you. Even if the cops comes and SEE you through the window they need the keys to get in - you can just climb up the hole you came down and you'll be dancing over roofs while they scratch their asses.

The gold should never be in your home. Ever. Store it in the woods. Never store anything stolen anywhere with paperwork. Such as a storage container or your house.

Advise that you have a fence beforehand. If you don't have one before hand then you will have the hardest job. Asking for one. It can be easy to find a commercial fence, almost any small, family run corner shop will buy alcohol and stolen packets of fags of you. It's very common here in the UK for someone to break into a petrol (gas) station, steal the £10-15000 worth of fags and then sell them to one of these family run shops for £3000 or so. You could do this to establish a connection and then ask about selling gold. Obviously you want to approach these people in more crime-affluent areas.

I am assuming this is all hypothetical and you just like to think about this - but any self respecting commercial thief knows its important to work up establishing trust, discrepancy and contacts as they do. Hit a few gas stations and then move up the jewellery when you get used to this.

And mother-fucking sewers, use them.

[Asheville]

Originally Posted by Qhost

It's very common here in the UK for someone to break into a petrol (gas) station, steal the £10-15000 worth of fags

That's a lot of fags, hahaha

fucking brits

[iswim]

Originally Posted by Qhost

Don't torch the shop or the ATM. Waste of time. It's a public shop, any evidence, short of it being a chunk of hair in the display or your blood on the glass is worthless. Why? Because it's a shop, there will be hundreds, thousands of peoples hair/DNA/finger prints all over. A fire will probably guarantee a faster response and the fire will raise attention as soon as you light it.

Many shopping centres have night-time guards. Even if they only sit in the security office munching doughnuts, they're there. I know this from fucking around in these places when I shouldn't and seeing them through their windows playing solitaire. Be aware of this.

Since it's a shopping centre the shop's office will be above the shop and no-one will live nearby. Consider going in through the roof. It's pretty common with organized crime nowadays. It also means your escape will more more sophisticated and there will be less CCTV of you. Even if the cops comes and SEE you through the window they need the keys to get in - you can just climb up the hole you came down and you'll be dancing over roofs while they scratch their asses.

The gold should never be in your home. Ever. Store it in the woods. Never store anything stolen anywhere with paperwork. Such as a storage container or your house.

Advise that you have a fence beforehand. If you don't have one before hand then you will have the hardest job. Asking for one. It can be easy to find a commercial fence, almost any small, family run corner shop will buy alcohol and stolen packets of fags of you. It's very common here in the UK for someone to break into a petrol (gas) station, steal the £10-15000 worth of fags and then sell them to one of these family run shops for £3000 or so. You could do this to establish a connection and then ask about selling gold. Obviously you want to approach these people in more crime-affluent areas.

I am assuming this is all hypothetical and you just like to think about this - but any self respecting commercial thief knows its important to work up establishing trust, discrepancy and contacts as they do. Hit a few gas stations and then move up the jewellery when you get used to this.

And mother-fucking sewers, use them.

I thought the fire was good because it would destroy camera evidence, so the feds have NOOOO idea what you look like. The fire should be the last part of the hit, it would get a lot of attention, but as soon as the fire takes off, the car should also take off and the crooks should leave.

As for the nighttime guard, you'd have to find a shopping center that doesn't have one. This is a part of the scoping it out, you'll have to make sure the guard is out of the equation. He could be a massive problem.

Going in through the roof is way too hard lol. You'd have to have much more resources to do that.

Storing the gold. This is the worst part of the whole plan. Don't really wanna store it in the woods, as access isn't limited to the crook, and the crook only. The crook should maybe have a pre built hole, secret hiding spot, in their backyard or sumthin. This part I still need to work on.

A fence would be nice and would make things a lot easier. If the crooks can find one, they should. If they can't, they should follow the plan above. Store it and wait. Wait a while.

Hitting up a "few" gas stations would garner attention on the crook, making it much harder to get away with the jewelry hit.

All hypothetical

Thank you sooo much for the reply by the way. You just added some new factors in my "getting away with it" equation. Thanks

[Jmerts]

Wear women's shoes. Seriously, let tour feminine side show for one night. It'll throw off the cops as they will be looking for a female instead of a male

[RackinOnUp604]

to be honest im never doing a grab n run again, ive never been caught but 2 nights ago i was drunk n fucked up major! i go in to futureshop grab 2 pairs of dre beats worth $379 each and ran out the door, i got pretty far away but 5 workers tackled me... never doin that again

[adrieann]

Paint your skin black like an African mannnnn, seriously. Just the parts that would be visible at all.
Unless you're already black, then go for white.

[adrieann]

Originally Posted by RackinOnUp604

to be honest im never doing a grab n run again, ive never been caught but 2 nights ago i was drunk n fucked up major! i go in to futureshop grab 2 pairs of dre beats worth $379 each and ran out the door, i got pretty far away but 5 workers tackled me... never doin that again

How the fuck is that not getting caught?

[RackinOnUp604]

Originally Posted by adrieann

How the fuck is that not getting caught?

yea i wrote that wrong, and just noticed my post was off topic, i thought he was doing a grab n run, but now notice its smash n run

[SBTlauien]

I doubt setting the ATM on fire will destroy the camera evidence that is recorded. Those ATMs aren't cheap shit.

Also, lighting the store on fire is worthless, not to mention an arson charge(if caught). Leaving after acquiring the jewelry is better.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by RackinOnUp604

to be honest im never doing a grab n run again, ive never been caught but 2 nights ago i was drunk n fucked up major! i go in to futureshop grab 2 pairs of dre beats worth $379 each and ran out the door, i got pretty far away but 5 workers tackled me... never doin that again

I like to see a story about this in the Shop Lifting Thread.

[iswim]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

I doubt setting the ATM on fire will destroy the camera evidence that is recorded. Those ATMs aren't cheap shit.

Also, lighting the store on fire is worthless, not to mention an arson charge(if caught). Leaving after acquiring the jewelry is better.

Ya think torching the store should be taken out of the plan?

[RackinOnUp604]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

I like to see a story about this in the Shop Lifting Thread.

sorry im new to here and posted in wrong thread

[Larva]

Originally Posted by iswim

The hit) The crook would just smash in the door with the hammer, smash all the shelves, and load the jewelry in the bag. Since the alarm will be ringing, he should be in and out in less than 75-90 seconds. The hit should be something like this:

Quick is good. Apparently that guy still got caught...

I wonder what he did wrong, though. Sounds like they had a suspect right away. The original article is gone, just references to it...


I always love watching shopkeepers whimper and cry when they get hit like that. though. They just had maybe, maaaaybe $10,000 worth of actual merchandise stolen. Which of course is marked up no less than 1,000%, as typical of jewelry. Insurance claims are for full retail, of course, plus all the damages, so that just bought and paid for all new merchandise, new displays, new glass, everything.

All for the cost of their deductible... a couple thousand at most. Hell, thousands of businesses *set up* robberies like this intentionally just because of the profit potential.

Stealing a kid's ipod hurts them. They lose money. There is no recovering from that. They're just fucked. Robbing a business, unless they're stupid, makes them money in the end. (Not shoplifting or taking a single item here and there, but clearing a place out.)

Which is why we punish niggers stealing shit from their neighbors cars more than bankers stealing from FDIC insured accounts. One hurts individuals, the other is just some lines in an accounting book, where damages are a few pennies in liability spread out over millions...

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by iswim

Ya think torching the store should be taken out of the plan?

I don't see any reason to turch a place unless a murder has taken place and time isn't a factor.

You have to remember, as soon as that glass breaks, an alarm is likely to alert the police that a jewelry store is getting jacked. Cops will will be heading that way.

Also, will a basic hammer even break the glass? Those stores are likely to have security glass. Maybe two stolen cars, one through the front of the store...

[WeezyJ]

yeah burning the.place is a dumb idea, how can you even be sure it will get to the video footage?

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

I only read part of the first sentence, not even the whole thing, before I decided to ask if you can name ONE muthafuckin' jewelry store that's open at night.

Fission mailed.

[iswim]

Originally Posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry

I only read part of the first sentence, not even the whole thing, before I decided to ask if you can name ONE muthafuckin' jewelry store that's open at night.

Fission mailed.

The store would have to be closed, smart one.

[iswim]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

I don't see any reason to turch a place unless a murder has taken place and time isn't a factor.

You have to remember, as soon as that glass breaks, an alarm is likely to alert the police that a jewelry store is getting jacked. Cops will will be heading that way.

Also, will a basic hammer even break the glass? Those stores are likely to have security glass. Maybe two stolen cars, one through the front of the store...

I have seen some very nice and expensive jewelry stores that have a simple glass door A hammer would very easily do the job.

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Well, several things have to be done before attempting such a burglary.........you should get a one piece outfit like what a construction guy wears, a ski mask & an escape route that you should check out & time about the time you will hit it.

Make sure you wear thick clothing so you dont cut yourself because not only will you need medical attention, but leave DNA at the scene. I would think you have a fence ready for the goods, if not, you're gonna have to sit on the stuff for quite a while.

Find out how many police officers are on duty in that township at that shift.........its public knowledge.

[iswim]

Originally Posted by -SecretAgentMan-

Well, several things have to be done before attempting such a burglary.........you should get a one piece outfit like what a construction guy wears, a ski mask & an escape route that you should check out & time about the time you will hit it.

Make sure you wear thick clothing so you dont cut yourself because not only will you need medical attention, but leave DNA at the scene. I would think you have a fence ready for the goods, if not, you're gonna have to sit on the stuff for quite a while.

Find out how many police officers are on duty in that township at that shift.........its public knowledge.

The thief would need a police radar to really keep track of the feds.

As for thick clothing and escape routes, they're both a MUST.

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Originally Posted by iswim

The thief would need a police radar to really keep track of the feds.

As for thick clothing and escape routes, they're both a MUST.

Only way to get a police radio is to steal one from the cops. Police scanners are not that good now a days.........even if you do have a police radio, what happens if you smash the window & the cop is a block away? You definitely have several seconds head start to get away but you know what I mean.

With smash & grab, its very risky but with a little luck, you can make it out of there.

[Define-Security]

Just thought I would add that the first 30 to 45 seconds the alarm will be beeping for someone to enter the code, but it wont activate until after the entry delay ends. This means someone would have a little bit of time before they alarm company even knew the alarm was activated and the police being dispatched.

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Originally Posted by swimiam2

Just thought I would add that the first 30 to 45 seconds the alarm will be beeping for someone to enter the code, but it wont activate until after the entry delay ends. This means someone would have a little bit of time before they alarm company even knew the alarm was activated and the police being dispatched.

If the glass door or window are smashed, the alarm goes off right away...........only time you have 30 to 45 seconds before the alarm goes off is if you pick the lock or have a key & unlock the door which you still have to enter the security code to clear the alarm.

[Illegal Immigrant]

definitely a bad idea

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Here is a smash & grab link from a Rolex dealer in Korea town during business hours:

$800,000 Smash-And-Grab Robbery - YouTube

$800,000 Smash-And-Grab Robbery - YouTube
Video: click to display

Guys got away with $800,000 worth of Rolex watches

[iswim]

Originally Posted by -SecretAgentMan-

Here is a smash & grab link from a Rolex dealer in Korea town during business hours: $800,000 Smash-And-Grab Robbery - YouTube


Guys got away with $800,000 worth of Rolex watches

Done to perfection, definitely. But that was also a robbery. If those guys got caught, the sentence would be VERY thick, like 10-20 years. I don't see any amount of money being worth 10-20 years of life, maybe 1-3 years, like most burglaries are, but 20 years is way too much. But those guys definitely did an awesome job of taking control of the situation, ordering the employees to the ground, and making away with the gold.

PS: Rolex hits. Nice!

[Sophomore]

Just follow the video where 6 guys robbed the entire Apple store... In and out. Simple.

Oh and btw, burning/destroying the cameras doesnt destroy the tapes. Dumbass.
I would have a gun (or a $100 airsoft gun) on me just in case someone interupts. Make sure its on a SERPA holster.

Try not to break too much glass or there will be a higher risk of cutting yourself.

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Originally Posted by iswim

Done to perfection, definitely. But that was also a robbery. If those guys got caught, the sentence would be VERY thick, like 10-20 years. I don't see any amount of money being worth 10-20 years of life, maybe 1-3 years, like most burglaries are, but 20 years is way too much. But those guys definitely did an awesome job of taking control of the situation, ordering the employees to the ground, and making away with the gold.

PS: Rolex hits. Nice!

Rolex watches are always in high demand, especially the gold ones & with the gold price doubling past few years & will probably keep going up, its an all out crusade against the Rolex dealers, LoL!

[xCloudx]

Personal opinions...

One, don't torch the store. No reason. It will NOT destroy the camera evidence unless you're really lucky. It adds an arson charge. Plus it's kinda a dick move. And does nothing in terms of distraction. Police will go after you, FD will be at the scene. At most, gives you the 15 seconds it takes for the cop to say into his radio, fire at blah blah blah. Which I'm not sure if that's even enough to cover the extra amount time you're giving the cops when they see the giant ass flame from all your gas. On top of that, while the risk is semi low, you're only adding another possibly of injuring yourself. Thick clothes help but if you get some gas on yourself by accident, you're gonna be hurting. Burns aren't fun.

Two,

Store the gold for a while, months if you have to. The value of it won't go down, since it's gold. For a while, act like the night never happened. Don't talk about it, don't think about it, don't act on it. Months after the crime, slowly start pawning/trading the gold in for cash.

Honestly, how much are we talking here? Either have a fence or be willing to SLOWLY, SLOWLY dump this stuff over YEARS. Don't be stupid after you've gotten away with it. I'd personally wait at least 2 years. If I was sitting on this much money, I could deal with waiting 2 years for it. If you're that hard up, go for it but it sounds like you have TIME which is probably your best weapon.

Third, why another person? I understand you want a get away driver or whatever. But this could easily be a one man job. You're talking about $50k difference just because you wanted someone to drive you somewhere. Hell, depending on town size, I wouldn't even be fucking driving. If it's like my town (hypothetically) I'd have a backpack on and I'd go at like 2 am on a Friday. College kids out and about, i'd just burn the ski mas or stuff it in my backpack once I was down the road. Ditch the gloves in the backpack, switch hoodies, maybe strip into a different pair of jeans or pants (layers ftw) and I'd blend the fuck in with the party crowds. Cops start stopping people and asking to look in there backpacks, they'd have everybody up in arms about citizens 4th amendment rights (liberal kids, gotta love em). Course this is all situational, I'm definitely not into smash and grabs. Just not my thing.

This is only my two cents. Disregard it if you like.

Good (hypothetical) luck to you sir!

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Originally Posted by -SecretAgentMan-

Here is a smash & grab link from a Rolex dealer in Korea town during business hours: $800,000 Smash-And-Grab Robbery - YouTube


Guys got away with $800,000 worth of Rolex watches

LOL @ the security guard from about 0:14-0:17, you see him in the background walk by and stop, look in the store and see what's going on, and look freaked out and scared as shit and take off running.

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Originally Posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry

LOL @ the security guard from about 0:14-0:17, you see him in the background walk by and stop, look in the store and see what's going on, and look freaked out and scared as shit and take off running.

Yeah, I saw that......anyone, even security guards gotta be stupid if they will risk their lives to try & stop gunmen waving guns around. Even if they didnt have guns, stay out of there way, the stores have insurance like banks. Also, we all know the jewelry stores made a few extra dollars when claiming losses with their insurance company, just like banks do.


Here is another smash & grab video from a Houston, Texas jewelry store where they went after Rolex watches:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairba...e_smash-an.php


Here is another one in San Jose, California:

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_19458228

Watch how the guys use a sledge hammer & hit the glass quite a few times but only make a hole in them barely enough to place their arms through........I wonder why the glass didnt entirely break up in pieces? I wonder if jewelry stores arent using some kind of stronger type glass. Got a feeling in the future, the glass will be shatter & bullet proof in jewelry stores but someone might get hurt if the gunmen cant get to the merchandise.

[skygear]

most current stores are using safety glass... like your windshields have. (glass,sticker,glass)

[xCloudx]

Originally Posted by skygear

most current stores are using safety glass... like your windshields have. (glass,sticker,glass)

Windshields are a joke to break though. Just assuming >.> I've seen 2-3lb engineering hammers bust through them like they're nothing. My friend bob does it often. Just gotta be confident in your swing. If you're not...well hammers bounces back and just leaves you looking stupid with a loud ass sound to accompany it.

[iswim]

Originally Posted by skygear

most current stores are using safety glass... like your windshields have. (glass,sticker,glass)

Breaking into the store isn't really the problem. You can ram the bitch with a car if you really have to. I have seen some nice jewelry stores that have regular glass doors.

[skygear]

When I was in the Jewelry industry, we had all new safe/display cases put in. The whole display cases are safes. The Glass, is a safety glass much thicker than windshield panes. the spot the jewelry sits on would "drop" to effectively turn the case into the safe. the whole cases were hardened steel with the keypad and key combo on them. even the drop floor was thick hardened steel. Wood facia was affixed to the whole exterior to conceal the fact it was a safe

[-SecretAgentMan-]

Originally Posted by skygear

When I was in the Jewelry industry, we had all new safe/display cases put in. The whole display cases are safes. The Glass, is a safety glass much thicker than windshield panes. the spot the jewelry sits on would "drop" to effectively turn the case into the safe. the whole cases were hardened steel with the keypad and key combo on them. even the drop floor was thick hardened steel. Wood facia was affixed to the whole exterior to conceal the fact it was a safe

Skygear, im assuming the jewelry stores you worked at were located in bigger cities with lots of traffic going in & out of the place?

That some serious security for display cases.........Iswim might have to go back to the drawing board after the information you gave.

[skygear]

The local stores weren't ever hit big at night ... at most, a ring or other single items disappeared in a distraction scam. Most of the time when they remodel they are replacing with these new style safes.

I looked online briefly and didn't see them.

At night time we turned 1 key and all the cases dropped and locked themselves. During an armed robbery, if someone hit a panic button, they would drop n lock then call the police.

just remember - glass/acrylic and a torch don't mix!~ or use a concrete saw. they can cut most anything with enough time

another thing too. How do people get caught? NOT SWITCHING UP THEIR STYLE!

[FrY]

Just one cut = prison butt

[iswim]

Originally Posted by FrY

Just one cut = prison butt

No piece of skin should be visible, or left without a thick layer on it, taking that element out of the equation.