How Would We Fight US Troops? (or other army)

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Irukanji

The US military is a slow, heavily armour caterpillar. Basically, it needs a huge force bringing in supplies daily just to power its vehicles, then an equally as big of a force to bring in food an water and more equipment.

So the idea is to attack their supply lines, they can't defend large amounts of roadway 24/7, not even with drones. All you need is a way to destroy the road itself and create a crater big enough to hold them in the same place for a long period of time so your buddies can finish the drivers off and take all the supplies.

Or you could use remote controlled vehicles(as the US) and then put some gear in there fitted with GPS trackers, so when they steal your stuff they take it back to their hideouts and you have 500 little GPS devices telling you where they are xD

This is 2012, not the fucking '40s.

There's no reason for them to form supply lines or dick around with anything like that. Pull up your name, address, friends and family through a quick internet search, Google Earth your house to ensure they don't take out any valuable resources in the process, and then send in a targeted airstrike to every address in the newly created address book.

Because any government in a country the size of the US that is actively and openly waging war on its own citizens with the full force of the military has clearly moved well past the point of worrying about PR and has become a tyranny. It wouldn't to be playing by rules of fairness; they'll simply take the most likely places for you to be hiding in out. Fuck, with the retards in this country, they could just do a Facebook status check.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

This is 2012, not the fucking '40s.

There's no reason for them to form supply lines or dick around with anything like that. Pull up your name, address, friends and family through a quick internet search, Google Earth your house to ensure they don't take out any valuable resources in the process, and then send in a targeted airstrike to every address in the newly created address book.

Because any government in a country the size of the US that is actively and openly waging war on its own citizens with the full force of the military has clearly moved well past the point of worrying about PR and has become a tyranny. It wouldn't to be playing by rules of fairness; they'll simply take the most likely places for you to be hiding in out. Fuck, with the retards in this country, they could just do a Facebook status check.

what you think in such a situation they are gonna keep internet switched on to the public? ..no freakin way would they.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

what you think in such a situation they are gonna keep internet switched on to the public? ..no freakin way would they.

In a tyranny, laws like SOPA are no longer a concern. Keeping the internet on to lure retards into an environment where they think they're safe. Put it this way - anonymity cuts both ways: If you're going to go out looking to start a rebellion with like-minded citizens in your own country, the worst way to go about it is with complete strangers on the computer. They could easily be operatives, and you would never know the fucking difference.

Let's face it, when the guns and troops come out, the least fit to survive are the hacktivist, because they don't have the social skills to effectively organize a rebellion. Tyranny or not, people don't really want to follow a fucking aspie in a Guy Fawkes mask.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

In a tyranny, laws like SOPA are no longer a concern. Keeping the internet on to lure retards into an environment where they think they're safe. Put it this way - anonymity cuts both ways: If you're going to go out looking to start a rebellion with like-minded citizens in your own country, the worst way to go about it is with complete strangers on the computer. They could easily be operatives, and you would never know the fucking difference.

Let's face it, when the guns and troops come out, the least fit to survive are the hacktivist, because they don't have the social skills to effectively organize a rebellion. Tyranny or not, people don't really want to follow a fucking aspie in a Guy Fawkes mask.

that's crap. people ain't stupid, in that situation they would adapt. they would soon learn to use aliases, dummy accounts and all other manner of online forums and communication apps to keep in touch. a lot would even use simple codes and slang to the point the govt couldn't keep up with deciphering it. it would be way more useful to the people as a communication device than as a govt spy forum. plus there's all that useful info that they suddenly wouldn't want you having easy access to. and further still they would want you cut off as much as possible to the outside world. they certainly wouldn't want you organizing outside help and showing the rest of the world glorious technicolor pix and videos of US troops slaughtering their own civilians.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

that's crap. people ain't stupid, in that situation they would adapt. they would soon learn to use aliases, dummy accounts and all other manner of online forums and communication apps to keep in touch. a lot would even use simple codes and slang to the point the govt couldn't keep up with deciphering it. it would be way more useful to the people as a communication device than as a govt spy forum. plus there's all that useful info that they suddenly wouldn't want you having easy access to. and further still they would want you cut off as much as possible to the outside world. they certainly wouldn't want you organizing outside help and showing the rest of the world glorious technicolor pix and videos of US troops slaughtering their own civilians.

Fair point on the useful information, though I have to point out that the learning curve involved in "soon learn to do this" is so steep that if you don't already know how to do it, you're dog meat. Want to stop rebellion? Catch the dumb shits and make examples out of them. The ones smart enough not to get caught will never have the skills to organize anything worthwhile, even -with- all the useful information.

As for troops slaughtering their own civilians... not gonna happen, and even if it did, at that point the world would be prepared to do exactly shit about it. Hell, even Syria gets a free ride, and Syria isn't a nuclear hyperpower capable of taking out most of the civilized world.

China might be able to do something, but the motivation isn't there. They'd probably laugh and say get fucked.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Fair point on the useful information, though I have to point out that the learning curve involved in "soon learn to do this" is so steep that if you don't already know how to do it, you're dog meat. Want to stop rebellion? Catch the dumb shits and make examples out of them. The ones smart enough not to get caught will never have the skills to organize anything worthwhile, even -with- all the useful information.

As for troops slaughtering their own civilians... not gonna happen, and even if it did, at that point the world would be prepared to do exactly shit about it. Hell, even Syria gets a free ride, and Syria isn't a nuclear hyperpower capable of taking out most of the civilized world.

China might be able to do something, but the motivation isn't there. They'd probably laugh and say get fucked.

how little ye know of the world. without the mass communication device known as the internet you are only gonna be facing smaller unorganized pockets of resistance which is much easier to deal with than a whole country that is capable of synchronizing attacks.

and if you think america can afford to just say 'fuck you' to the rest of the world then you really are crazy. i mean if you want to talk nuclear capability, then britain alone has the nuclear capability to wipe america off the map at least 5 times over. but that's just a big stalemate where everyone loses, so no one is really gonna want to go there. but even keeping nukes out of it, american troops would struggle to fight the european union, let alone while fighting its own civilians at the same time.

[Irukanji]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

There's no reason for them to form supply lines or dick around with anything like that. Pull up your name, address, friends and family through a quick internet search, Google Earth your house to ensure they don't take out any valuable resources in the process, and then send in a targeted airstrike to every address in the newly created address book.

Protip: OP said US TROOPS, not FBI/CIA. Therefore, for the US military to move, it requires supply lines. Do you think they just walk to the Talibanmart in baghdad to buy their supplies? They either fly them in, or drive them in. There is no other way to get supplies into another country, unless it was like Mexico and then the only ways into Mexico by ground are already know, and it would still be sea or air.

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Because any government in a country the size of the US that is actively and openly waging war on its own citizens with the full force of the military has clearly moved well past the point of worrying about PR and has become a tyranny.

If the US govt wanted to fight it's own civilians, it would just arrest all known gun owners before anything happened, and the rest of the civilians would bend over and take it.

EDIT: Even if they were attacking their own citizens, they still need to feed and water their troops and supply materials to build prisons. Supplies are the backbone of any military, without them a military dies.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

how little ye know of the world. without the mass communication device known as the internet you are only gonna be facing smaller unorganized pockets of resistance which is much easier to deal with than a whole country that is capable of synchronizing attacks.

See, that's the problem you have here - you think there will be a united front. What do you think the government has been doing for the last 20 years or so? Turning everyone against each other, there will be no united front. It would be everyone out for themselves, organized by ideology instead of common cause.

and if you think america can afford to just say 'fuck you' to the rest of the world then you really are crazy. i mean if you want to talk nuclear capability, then britain alone has the nuclear capability to wipe america off the map at least 5 times over. but that's just a big stalemate where everyone loses, so no one is really gonna want to go there. but even keeping nukes out of it, american troops would struggle to fight the european union, let alone while fighting its own civilians at the same time.

The point here is that a government that has turned on its citizens cannot be trusted to act in a rational and reasonable fashion, making engagement with a nuclear power a risky proposition. But really, the greater factor comes back to this - nobody loves us and is going to come save us in the face of overwhelming military might? EU? You're fucking kidding, those dipshits can't even get their shared economy in working order, and got smashed to shit by someone a lot less powerful.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Irukanji

Protip: OP said US TROOPS, not FBI/CIA. Therefore, for the US military to move, it requires supply lines. Do you think they just walk to the Talibanmart in baghdad to buy their supplies? They either fly them in, or drive them in. There is no other way to get supplies into another country, unless it was like Mexico and then the only ways into Mexico by ground are already know, and it would still be sea or air.

We're talking about US Troops vs US citizens. They don't have to get into some other country; they own the fucking airspace, have bases and resources (thanks National Guard) in every major city, and can mobilize on a dime with the right kind of tyranny behind it. Most important supply lines? They don't even have to mobilize, just send in armed troops to the executive offices of BP, Conoco/Phillips, and Exxon. Send out a few more for the smaller national corporations, and boom. Assuming the Big Three aren't already in on it, there won't BE any kind of argument about who controls the supply lines.

If the US govt wanted to fight it's own civilians, it would just arrest all known gun owners before anything happened, and the rest of the civilians would bend over and take it.

Look up gun statistics sometime. "4 in 10 households," %38-%50 of homes... that's just a quickie google search. Apply that to the population of 311M people in this country, rough sketch. Now, consider every single store and other establishments that dispense them. Now consider the NRA.

Yeahhhhh, it's not gonna be that easy.

EDIT: Even if they were attacking their own citizens, they still need to feed and water their troops and supply materials to build prisons. Supplies are the backbone of any military, without them a military dies.

This is the USA - aka fat central. There is no question of whether American troops can get food or water in American cities. Seriously, reason this out. As for the prisons? FEMA camps. Not that you need them when you're a tyranny that can simply kill the protesters.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by p6867

Yeah, unconventional forces should be prepared to lose over 15 troops for everyone of the enemy they kill. This is in addition to what most conventional forces will do to force a native population to give over, torturing and killing the family members and known associates, putting your neighbors into disease filled internment camps or 'relocation settlements'. A few years of watching your family starve while you live out your red dawn fantasies in the woods or urban center, bored, suffering and fighting against insurmountable odds, you'll give up.

Or you'll get the backing of a major world power and try to fight like a conventional force.

Basically though, Mao said it best when it comes to fighting an unconventional war

"Keep men, lose land; land can be taken again. Keep land, lose men; land and men both lost."
Or the bandit chief who told him how to fight,

You just circle around and around and around.

There's plenty of major powers who I can see backing an unconventional force. There's no more USSR, but there's quite a few others who'll have something to gain.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

There's plenty of major powers who I can see backing an unconventional force. There's no more USSR, but there's quite a few others who'll have something to gain.

Which is why they crush those powers first, and then work on subjugating their own citizens. No sympathy for the American devils.

[p6867]

ITT: Bros who don't know what they're talking about argue about what makes an effective insurgency and how millions of complex systems will interact in its wake.

[Tachosomoza]

Do you know where you are?

Look at who made the damn thread.

[p6867]

I don't know anything about ace 187

Also, i know where i am.
I'm in the zoklet baby

Its gonna bring me down.

[Tachosomoza]

He's like Dread_Lord with a fetish for black girls.

[1983]

Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

how little ye know of the world. without the mass communication device known as the internet you are only gonna be facing smaller unorganized pockets of resistance which is much easier to deal with than a whole country that is capable of synchronizing attacks.

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[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by p6867

ITT: Bros who don't know what they're talking about argue about what makes an effective insurgency and how millions of complex systems will interact in its wake.

It's all hypothetical and in good fun, sweets. Can't have a good bullshit blue-sky session without lots of what-ifs, four-letter words and shenanigans. Like the Walking Dead thread, except it could happen, because the world is a pretty fucked up place and full of assholes.

[mrbarbwir3]

Small pockets of resistance and lots and lots of holes with hunters hidden underneath thick cover.Ieds, rudimentary bio warfare, and chemical warfare. Basically terrorize them into not wanting to deal with the resistance, or resign territory. High tech bombs and missiles cost a lot of money compared with troops and bullets. I could see the US using a shock and awe technique to a limited extent to try and scare the populace from an uprising, strategic bombing and troop deployments to "trouble" areas. the one problems is that troops will have ethical issues with killing there own people.

So they'll probably rely on outsourced forces for there dirty work (death squads and such). more autonomous forces maybe, drones, maybe remote controlled tanks and defenses and small groups of hardened spec ops.

I would hope that there would not be limited supplies of things to manufacture chlorine gas, ricin and basic explosives. Of course eventually we'ed have to capture military tech, tanks, apcs, small arms, maybe even aircraft. A lot of the fighting would be diversionary a few snipers distract a convoy well a small instillation is hit for supplies, never take the base just rob as much as you can carry and hope the snipers do there job till they fall, its almost certainly a suicide mission for the snipers. but in the end the army would probably overcome the forces if an outside entity didn't assist the guerrilla forces.

This is all make believe if any country had the balls to invade us it probably wont be the us gov, i would look at china more then internal. same difference only china would try to overrun us with large forces, and even then we just have to hope that the war stay conventional.