The Zimmerman thread!

[Tachosomoza]

Yeah, I get it, Linus, you're an angry bigot who lets his negative experiences with the dregs of society impair his judgment and thinking. I got it the first time I saw "feral nigger" under your handle.

[Benjamin Linus]

Originally Posted by Rust

Misdirection like that? It has NOT been "pretty much proven" that Martin attacked Zimmerman first. Nobody really knows who attacked first. All we know is that Zimmerman followed Martin and that Zimmerman sustained injuries.

Whether Zimmerman started the altercation and then Martin overpowered him and beat him up, or whether Martin hid and caught Zimmerman by surprise, nobody knows.

Well, considering the only injuries Lil' T had on him were on his knuckles, and of course that big hole in his chest and back and Zimmerman had a busted open and bleeding head, a broken nose, 2 black eyes, and some injury to his back, you tell me, who initiated physical contact? Oh, wait, let me guess- Zim was swinging away, and poor little Trayvon was ducking and divin?

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Not interacting with/profiling Martin in the first place would be a start.

He wasn't interacting, he was walking on a public sidewalk a couple of hundred feet behind him. And as far as profiling? Yeah, I guess it would be really stupid to think that some black guy might commit a crime huh? Especially when he's just standing around at night in the shadows of a closed building wearing a hood in an area thats recently been plagued with burglaries. Hey Tach, if this same guy is standing outside your house at night, in the shadows looking at your house, which is in an area where several burglaries have taken place recently, you'd think nothing of it and go about your business right?

[Tachosomoza]

Any evidence he was peering in townhouses or hanging around outside a building or was preparing to commit a crime? Was there a curfew? Was he trespassing on someone's private property? You have to have evidence of a crime being committed by an individual before you start shit. A hoody and dark brown skin is not reason to believe someone is committing a crime. A couple of hundred feet behind him? Are you crazy?

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

Now if you wanna talk about avoiding a situation, it's pretty much been proven that lil' Trayvon attacked Zim.

No.

I'll admit that I give both Tacho and IIII a lot of well-deserved shit for their consistent failure in argument, but at no point has the identity of the person at fault been proven -- "pretty much" or otherwise. Not even close. All we have is a dead kid, the word of an overzealous neighborhood watch nut, and the questionable credibility of witnesses who seem to have witnessed very little.

[Benjamin Linus]

Originally Posted by Rust

Well you should be angry at yourself since you're a huge part of the problem. You previous post contained a bunch of falsehoods which you were trying to pass off as "pretty much proven". You're just as bad as they are.

Yeah, I think the "pretty much" part stands for itself in that sentence. Circumstantial, but "pretty much" proven. Can you tell me the other falsehoods?

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Yeah, I get it, Linus, you're an angry bigot who lets his negative experiences with the dregs of society impair his judgment and thinking. I got it the first time I saw "feral nigger" under your handle.

Finally, you get it! But I resent the fact you think I'm an angry biggot. Why would you think that? Just because a majority of my comments about black folk are negative and disgusting?

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

Well, considering the only injuries Lil' T had on him were on his knuckles, and of course that big hole in his chest and back and Zimmerman had a busted open and bleeding head, a broken nose, 2 black eyes, and some injury to his back, you tell me, who initiated physical contact? Oh, wait, let me guess- Zim was swinging away, and poor little Trayvon was ducking and divin?

Yeah, if a person has worse injuries than another, it must mean he was the innocent person. Oh wait, no it fucking doesn't.

Your only recourse is sarcasm because you cannot refute the fact that you were passing off as fact something that isn't. Again, nobody really knows who attacked first. All we know is that Zimmerman followed Martin and that Zimmerman sustained injuries. Whether Zimmerman started the altercation and then Martin overpowered him and beat him up, or whether Martin hid and caught Zimmerman by surprise, nobody knows.

[Benjamin Linus]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

No.

I'll admit that I give both Tacho and IIII a lot of well-deserved shit for their consistent failure in argument, but at no point has the identity of the person at fault been proven -- "pretty much" or otherwise. Not even close. All we have is a dead kid, the word of an overzealous neighborhood watch nut, and the questionable credibility of witnesses who seem to have witnessed very little.

I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong with Trayvon leaving the safety of his home to go back to where the threat (Zimmerman) was, the nature of the injuries, and the fact that half the witnesses say Trayvon threw the first punch (although, that last one is flimsy seeing how the other half of the witnesses are dead). To me it points to Martin as the primary agressor. But, I will re-phrase that and say "In my opinion, it's pretty much proven", which is how I should have phrased it to begin with.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

No.

I'll admit that I give both Tacho and IIII a lot of well-deserved shit for their consistent failure in argument, but at no point has the identity of the person at fault been proven -- "pretty much" or otherwise. Not even close. All we have is a dead kid, the word of an overzealous neighborhood watch nut, and the questionable credibility of witnesses who seem to have witnessed very little.

We have more than what you state.

Trayvon was on the phone with his girl friend and she heard Trayvon say two times, "Get off, get off."

This gives credence to the theory that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon.

And if the prosecution uses this in trial and the defense says it could be a lie, then the prosecution can say that any testimony Zimmerman spat out could also be a lie. And if the Girl friend is lying or embellishing the facts then why would she be so low key and not say for sure that Trayvon said, "This creepy scary guy is attacking me."

Seems to be a valid argument to me.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong with Trayvon leaving the safety of his home to go back to where the threat (Zimmerman) was, the nature of the injuries, and the fact that half the witnesses say Trayvon threw the first punch (although, that last one is flimsy seeing how the other half of the witnesses are dead). To me it points to Martin as the primary agressor. But, I will re-phrase that and say "In my opinion, it's pretty much proven", which is how I should have phrased it to begin with.

Trayvon never reached the safety of his home. Get your facts straight.

If he had returned to his home then why would he still have the tea and skittles.

Damn. Where did you come up with the mistaken idea that he had reached his home?

If I am wrong please show proof that he reached the safety of his home. Please.

[Benjamin Linus]

Originally Posted by Rust

Yeah, if a person has worse injuries than another, it must mean he was the innocent person. Oh wait, no it fucking doesn't.

Your only recourse is sarcasm because you cannot refute the fact that you were passing off as fact something that isn't. Again, nobody really knows who attacked first. All we know is that Zimmerman followed Martin and that Zimmerman sustained injuries. Whether Zimmerman started the altercation and then Martin overpowered him and beat him up, or whether Martin hid and caught Zimmerman by surprise, nobody knows.

What was I passing off as fact?? Please do tell. Saying "pretty much proven" is not passing something off as fact. Hence the "pretty much" and not just the "proven". But I repent, and should have dumbed it down for you and said "It's pretty dam likely" or even "In my opinion". I can admit when I have mis-spoken. Anybody else?

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

But, I will re-phrase that and say "In my opinion, it's pretty much proven", which is how I should have phrased it to begin with.

In your prejudiced opinion you mean? He returned to his home and came back to the fight with a pack of skittles? Effective weapon in the hands of a feral boon.

You're bending over backwards to justify the death of a kid because you're prejudiced against those who look like that kid. Be honest.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

I can admit when I have mis-spoken. Anybody else?

How about doing that then.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

Yeah, I think the "pretty much" part stands for itself in that sentence. Circumstantial, but "pretty much" proven. Can you tell me the other falsehoods?

It stands as a weasel word you used to make it seem as if it were proven but then be able to back-track, just as you're doing now, if anyone decided to question you.

As for other falsehoods, you can take your claim that Martin had reached his house and decided to come back to attack Zimmerman. Where did you get that information from? There is no indication, as far as I can tell, that he ever made it to back to his house.

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

What was I passing off as fact?? Please do tell. Saying "pretty much proven" is not passing something off as fact. Hence the "pretty much" and not just the "proven". But I repent, and should have dumbed it down for you and said "It's pretty dam likely" or even "In my opinion". I can admit when I have mis-spoken. Anybody else?

That argument might make sense if that were the only thing you were passing off as fact that wasn't. Since you passed off other things, see above, your point is pretty much moot.

[Benjamin Linus]

Originally Posted by IIIII

Trayvon never reached the safety of his home. Get your facts straight.
If he had returned to his home then why would he still have the tea and skittles.

Damn. Where did you come up with the mistaken idea that he had reached his home?

If I am wrong please show proof that he reached the safety of his home. Please.

I saw the account on 20/20 and read it online. He made it to the area behind his house where the ac unit was. He hung there for a minute and his girlfriend advised him to flee, at which point he told he wasn't goin to flee. Pretty sure that info came from his GF who he was on the phone with. I'll try to find it again. Will post the link when I do.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

I saw the account on 20/20 and read it online. He made it to the area behind his house where the ac unit was. He hung there for a minute and his girlfriend advised him to flee, at which point he told he wasn't goin to flee. Pretty sure that info came from his GF who he was on the phone with. I'll try to find it again. Will post the link when I do.

I already posted a map, along with the phone call and times which show that Trayvon had minutes of time away from Zimmerman before he returned to assault Zimmerman at the place where Zimmerman stopped following him.

You just can't tell these fucktards anything.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

before he returned to assault Zimmerman at the place where Zimmerman stopped following him.

With a bag of skittles.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

I already posted a map, along with the phone call and times which show that Trayvon had minutes of time away from Zimmerman before he returned to assault Zimmerman at the place where Zimmerman stopped following him.

I must have missed that. Care to link to it or the post you made where you provided it?

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

I already posted a map, along with the phone call and times which show that Trayvon had minutes of time away from Zimmerman before he returned to assault Zimmerman at the place where Zimmerman stopped following him.

You just can't tell these fucktards anything.

Zimmerman was and is a big fucking liar.

If the murder was righteous then why would Zimmerman be so eager to lie?

Can you call Zimmerman a fucktard?

Zimmerman told the police “he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck.” “He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...#storylink=cpy

[IIIII]

I am posting this youtube for the benefit of Dread Lord and Bejamin Linus and Iehovah

Trayvon Martin Final Phone Call With Girlfriend - YouTube

Trayvon Martin Final Phone Call With Girlfriend - YouTube
Video: click to display

[Iehovah]

0:46

"the phone line went dead, seconds later Trayvon was shot"

So, in those seconds between Trayvon talking to his girlfriend and him getting shot, he gave Zimmerman a beat down?

Boy, he must be one fucking ninja badass for a pot-smoker with the midnight munchies.

[Tachosomoza]

Don't you know, all minorities receive a special fuck shit up in 5 seconds class. I was at the top of the class back in the day.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Linus

I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong with Trayvon leaving the safety of his home to go back to where the threat (Zimmerman) was, the nature of the injuries, and the fact that half the witnesses say Trayvon threw the first punch (although, that last one is flimsy seeing how the other half of the witnesses are dead). To me it points to Martin as the primary agressor. But, I will re-phrase that and say "In my opinion, it's pretty much proven", which is how I should have phrased it to begin with.

What the fuck is this "leaving the safety of his home" and "going to where the threat" is?

1. There's nothing in the press about Trayvon going home, iirc. And if not, that's unfounded speculation on your part unless you can give a map and a timeline.
2. A fat dude playing rent-a-cop isn't a fucking threat to most people.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

What the fuck is this "leaving the safety of his home" and "going to where the threat" is?

1. There's nothing in the press about Trayvon going home, iirc. And if not, that's unfounded speculation on your part unless you can give a map and a timeline.
2. A fat dude playing rent-a-cop isn't a fucking threat to most people.

I bet you think Zimmerman was a Neighborhood watch capt.

But there is no evidence that he was according to a search by the police about that.

Look up Joe Horn. He shot 2 guys in the back and Horn was indeed a fat fuck playing rent-a-cop.

And look at this: http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.p...&postcount=890

You are wrong on many things yet you seem to want to attack me for posting the truth.

Fucktard!

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by IIIII

I bet you think Zimmerman was a Neighborhood watch capt.

I bet you think it means something even if he WAS a neighborhood watch capt. It doesn't. NWC is a silly title for what are *usually* well-meaning adults playing dress-up and giving themselves fancy titles so they can play cop. Your neighborhood association can call you what ever the fuck they want, it doesn't give you any more power than the average jackass civilian.

So sure, he was a "Neighborhood Watch Captain", and I'm "God Almighty."

It's just another kind of wannabe rent-a-cop playing dress up. For all I know, he was behind the burglaries and Trayvon was his cover.

You are wrong on many things yet you seem to want to attack me for posting the truth.

I attack you for behaving like your ideological opposite Benjamin over there. Both of you pretend to have the "truth" and the facts, and neither of you have shit except a bunch of speculation and theories. Your "knowledge" of what happened that day is the product of your subjective opinion, much of which is based on outrageously stupid conjecture.

[Tachosomoza]

Lol, Zimmerman would be in a perfect position to be behind the thefts, too. Nobody suspects the guy who's constantly calling the cops and starting shit with black kids.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

I bet you think it means something even if he WAS a neighborhood watch capt. It doesn't. NWC is a silly title for what are *usually* well-meaning adults playing dress-up and giving themselves fancy titles so they can play cop. Your neighborhood association can call you what ever the fuck they want, it doesn't give you any more power than the average jackass civilian.

So sure, he was a "Neighborhood Watch Captain", and I'm "God Almighty."

It's just another kind of wannabe rent-a-cop playing dress up. For all I know, he was behind the burglaries and Trayvon was his cover.



I attack you for behaving like your ideological opposite Benjamin over there. Both of you pretend to have the "truth" and the facts, and neither of you have shit except a bunch of speculation and theories. Your "knowledge" of what happened that day is the product of your subjective opinion, much of which is based on outrageously stupid conjecture.

Bull shit.^^^

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by IIIII

Bull shit.^^^

Copy/paste has failed you for an intelligent response, I see.

Try, try again, little IIIII.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Copy/paste has failed you for an intelligent response, I see.

Try, try again, little IIIII.

And you have posted shit you found in your ass bitch. Like when you posted that the perjury charge against Shellie Zimmerman is a Misdemeanor when in fact it is a felony.

Were you posting a lie because the truth did not fit your agenda - whatever it is.

Or would you like to provide a site to show that it is a misdemeanor so that we can see that you just post truth?

Can't provide it? I am sure that you couldn't.

I see you as merely posting to attack me and my posts - from a position of lies and distortions. And you fail.

[Dread_Lord]

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...12/04/411.html
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...dees-testimony
http://viewfromll2.com/2012/04/05/mi...martins-death/

[IIIII]

This is taken from the site that you are providing, Fucktard.

None of this can tell us for sure how the fight began or who initiated physical contact.

....

That being said, Zimmerman definitely missed an opportunity to identify himself at his truck, which potentially could have helped to de-escalate the situation.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...dees-testimony

[Tachosomoza]

And that last link shoots Zimmerman's claim that Martin was pounding his head into the sidewalk full of holes. (not that anyone was dumb enough to fall for it, or anything else he said to try to cover his ass).

"defendant has provided law enforcement with numerous statements which are inconsistent and not supported by physical evidence".

Lol.

[IIIII]

And the Chief of Police of Sanford Florida (Bill Lee) who tried to resign in April but had his resignation refused by the City Council members --He Was FIRED today

Maybe people are smarting up in Sanford.

I think the DOJ has been investigating Lee's role in the Trayvon case. Maybe they talked to the City Manager - who fired Lee. But I don't really know that for a fact.

Read it here: http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...12/04/411.html
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...dees-testimony
http://viewfromll2.com/2012/04/05/mi...martins-death/

So they don't provide any proof, they just theorize what path it Martin/Zimmerman took and how long it took them to get there and then assume it means Martin went back? Correct? So basically conjecture.

There are other similar conjectures that reach the opposite conclusion:

http://bcclist.com/2012/05/14/trayvo...ngs-and-trial/

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by IIIII

And you have posted shit you found in your ass bitch. Like when you posted that the perjury charge against Shellie Zimmerman is a Misdemeanor when in fact it is a felony.

Ask, and ye shall receive:
http://law.justia.com/codes/florida/...VI/ch0837.html

Statue 837.06

Had you actually examined the statutes in question you'd notice that Shellie Zimmerman made a false statement to mislead a public servant in an official proceeding. You are operating under the presumption that because her HUSBAND is being prosecuted for a felony. Had she lied about something related to that, you'd be right.

Not that you care, because it doesn't fit your agenda and your fantasy that George Zimmerman can somehow be made to account for the killing of Martin by filing perjury charges against his wife for lying about their finances at a Bail Hearing.

You do realize that it doesn't change anything that I'm right, don't you? It doesn't matter that Shellie Zimmerman commited a felony or a misdemeanor. It's just nitpicking over details. Even if YOU were right, that she had committed a felony, it would change fuck all in George Zimmerman's trial. She's a liar, but her credibility isn't on trial, nor is she a witness for either the prosecution nor the defense.

You want there to be an agenda because you are an ignorant little racist who wants to believe the entire world is out to get the poor little black people that you, the big White Knight are protecting with your magnanimous copy/pasted gestures of benevolence.

I see you as merely posting to attack me and my posts - from a position of lies and distortions. And you fail.

I attack you because you are a fool who deserves it. You substitute copy/paste for critical thinking.

[Rust]

Actually, it's statute 837.02 that applies here. She was charged with perjury in official proceedings:

http://storify.com/latinorebels/shel...-official-docu

From your source:


837.02 Perjury in official proceedings.--

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), whoever makes a false statement, which he or she does not believe to be true, under oath in an official proceeding in regard to any material matter, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2) Whoever makes a false statement, which he or she does not believe to be true, under oath in an official proceeding that relates to the prosecution of a capital felony, commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) Knowledge of the materiality of the statement is not an element of the crime of perjury under subsection (1) or subsection (2), and the defendant's mistaken belief that the statement was not material is not a defense.

[Tachosomoza]

My gut told me lying in court wasn't a fucking misdemeanor.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Rust

So they don't provide any proof, they just theorize what path it Martin/Zimmerman took and how long it took them to get there and then assume it means Martin went back? Correct? So basically conjecture.

There are other similar conjectures that reach the opposite conclusion:

http://bcclist.com/2012/05/14/trayvo...ngs-and-trial/

They provide proof that Trayvon Martin had plenty of time to make it home and the fact that Zimmerman was assaulted are not conjecture.

[IIIII]

Poor Boy -

Shellie Zimmerman is charged with perjury in official meetings (and this is taken from the site you furnished):

"837.02 Perjury in official proceedings.--
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), whoever makes a false statement, which he or she does not believe to be true, under oath in an official proceeding in regard to any material matter, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(2) Whoever makes a false statement, which he or she does not believe to be true, under oath in an official proceeding that relates to the prosecution of a capital felony, commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) Knowledge of the materiality of the statement is not an element of the crime of perjury under subsection (1) or subsection (2), and the defendant's mistaken belief that the statement was not material is not a defense."

Here is the site with the pdf file that states the charges from Corey that she is being charged for:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/...rrest-0612.pdf

I hope this helps. But you seem to be a bigger fool than I gave you credit for.

I would offer you more help but I am beginning to think that you are past the point of being able to be helped.

You just keep on keeping on, dude. You make it easy for others to see how wrong and pathetic your posts are.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

They provide proof that Trayvon Martin had plenty of time to make it home and the fact that Zimmerman was assaulted are not conjecture.

No they don't. They provide speculation about what speed Martin was going, what he did on the way there, and what route he took, in order to conclude that he had "plenty of time". That's conjecture, as they don't know any of those crucial details.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by IIIII

"837.02 Perjury in official proceedings.--
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), whoever makes a false statement, which he or she does not believe to be true, under oath in an official proceeding in regard to any material matter, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(2) Whoever makes a false statement, which he or she does not believe to be true, under oath in an official proceeding that relates to the prosecution of a capital felony, commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) Knowledge of the materiality of the statement is not an element of the crime of perjury under subsection (1) or subsection (2), and the defendant's mistaken belief that the statement was not material is not a defense."

Hey, looks like you actually got one right for once. Thumbs up, mang. It's too bad that Rust beat you to it, but that probably comes from the fact that he actually understands what he's copy/pasting, rather than simply copy/pasting shit all the time.

That still leaves us with the other point:
Shellie Zimmerman committed a felony. Okay, other than you being right, so what? Does that automatically make George Zimmerman guilty of murder? Will that win the prosecution's case?