Are Killers Made or Born?

[Obbe]

What makes a killer a killer? Why do they kill?

Is there a genetic predisposition?

Is it the environment that they have been subjected to?

Is it a sort of philosophy they have learned?

Anyone could justify killing someone, depending on the specific scenario. So is there anything inherently wrong with killing someone? Are killers merely people who have become disenchanted about reality?

[Trix Are For Kids]

Shit happens, that's why.

[ArmsMerchant]

Might be helpful to define "killer."

You talking about a soldier in combat, a shop owner who blows away a would-be robber, a woman who does in an abusive spouse to save a child's life, a physician who makes a major oopsie, a drunk driver who causes a fatal collision, all of the above, or none of the above?

That said, I think many serial killers share three attributes: 1, sustained head injuries, 2. wet the bed as children and 3. played with fire as children. That and/or tortured small animals.

Lemme get back to you on this.

edit--okay, I was thinking about the Macdonald triad. I think some later research brought in the head injury thing. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald_triad

[rell]

Made most definitely, shaped out likely during the early stages of their lives.

[Proots]

I don't know - it's a question the greatest minds in psychology have yet to figure out. Personally, I feel that some people are just born with a high propensity for violence. Others can slowly be shaped into it over time.

I guess it all depends. There are so many wildly different scenarios that can result in someone being a killer.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Might be helpful to define "killer."

You talking about a soldier in combat, a shop owner who blows away a would-be robber, a woman who does in an abusive spouse to save a child's life, a physician who makes a major oopsie, a drunk driver who causes a fatal collision, all of the above, or none of the above?

Originally Posted by Obbe

Anyone could justify killing someone, depending on the specific scenario. So is there anything inherently wrong with killing someone? Are killers merely people who have become disenchanted about (their) reality?

I mean people who kill on purpose. And I don't mean one-timers, I mean people who either enjoy killing, or have no problem with killing someone or see it as if it were a regular thing to do.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

You guys are fucking retarded, everyone knows that it's rap music and violent videogames that shape a cold-blooded killer

[Rizopas]

Originally Posted by Obbe

I mean people who kill on purpose. And I don't mean one-timers, I mean people who either enjoy killing, or have no problem with killing someone or see it as if it were a regular thing to do.

You mean serial killers? Why couldn't you just put that in the OP you fucking retarded wreck?

[Obbe]

Not all people who enjoy killing are serial killers. Neither are all people who don't have any problem killing someone if they feel that is an appropriate action.

Anyways, my meaning has been clarified.

[broseph]

they are both born and made, respectively.

[Playground Legend]

Originally Posted by broseph

they are both born and made, respectively.

With respect to what, exactly?

We are a product of our environment.

[Struwwelpeter]

What I want to know is this: If they are born, are they genetically modified? If they are made, are they made in the USA, using only the finest in cutting edge technology? Are the employees who make them treated with dignity? Is there a factory where I can observe the manufacturing process at work? What's the size of the carbon footprint left behind by the harvesting/manufacture of killers?

[Blunderstar]

Originally Posted by Obbe

What makes a killer a killer? Why do they kill?

Is there a genetic predisposition?

Is it the environment that they have been subjected to?

Is it a sort of philosophy they have learned?

Anyone could justify killing someone, depending on the specific scenario. So is there anything inherently wrong with killing someone? Are killers merely people who have become disenchanted about reality?

Why are you asking these questions like killers are one generalized group of people? Do you actually think the world is composed of stereotypical "baddies", and all of these killers have the same state of mind? Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, Charles Manson - every notorious killer has had different reasons, and they've all been explained if you bothered to do some research before shitting out another pathetic thread like this. Christ. This is fundamental fucking shit.

Your post is so fucking stupid, but I'm sure you need an example to see that (not that you ever will). Replace the act of killing with a more common crime, why don't you?

Are thieves made or born? (or: Obbe's totally deep philosophical brainstorming session of the year)

Hey guys, what makes a thief a thief? Why do they steal?

Is there a genetic predisposition?

Is it the environment that they have been subjected to?

Is it a sort of philosophy they have learned?

Anyone could justify stealing something, depending on the specific scenario. So is there anything inherently wrong with stealing something? Are thieves merely people who have become disenchanted about reality?

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

Why are you asking these questions like killers are one generalized group of people? Do you actually think the world is composed of stereotypical "baddies", and all of these killers have the same state of mind?

No. I already have my own opinions, I am just curious what other people think.

[Edge]

Obviously serial killers are made. The U.S.A. is proof of this as it is the world's highest output serial killer factory, consistently manufacturing the finest serial killers the world has seen.

[Proots]

Originally Posted by Edge

Obviously serial killers are made. The U.S.A. is proof of this as it is the world's highest output serial killer factory, consistently manufacturing the finest serial killers the world has seen.

That is a bizarre fact. There's serial killers elsewhere, sure - but nowhere near the volume and brutality that the USA seems to shell out.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Originally Posted by Proots

That is a bizarre fact. There's serial killers elsewhere, sure - but nowhere near the volume and brutality that the USA seems to shell out.

Don't forget about them Ruskies

[Edge]

Originally Posted by sexually vulnerable CPR dummy

Don't forget about them Ruskies

Andrei Chikatilo beats those amateurs. To be factual, these are Ukrainskies. Makes me proud of my heritage.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

^was that the chessboard killer?

[Edge]

Originally Posted by sexually vulnerable CPR dummy

^was that the chessboard killer?

Alexander Pichushkin is The Chessboard Killer. A Russkie.


Slavic serial killers unite!

[Struwwelpeter]

It's easy to kill a shitload of people in those Commie/ex-Commie countries because the cops are all dumbasses. And those guys all got caught, so they suck ass.

[Breakfast]

Killers are both born and made.
Anti-social personality disorder is usually what causes people to become serial killers. ASPD causes someone to become so narcissistic that they feel that rules do not apply to them. Also causes them to not feel guilt, which makes it really easy to hack people up. Not all people with ASPD are killers, but what causes people to develop the serial killer tendencies, is a childhood filled with abuse which makes a person angry and violent. That combined with the ASPD causes them to kill. But sometimes there can be no history of abuse or trauma and someone will still want to kill, example: Jeffery Dahmer.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Anyone could justify killing someone, depending on the specific scenario. So is there anything inherently wrong with killing someone? Are killers merely people who have become disenchanted about reality?

Serial killers you mean? How is anything inherently wrong? Some of them may be insane, to me, meaning someone who isn't aware of their actions or is delusional, but they all have a reason for doing it. Even if it's something as simple as they enjoy it.

Killing someone also doesn't necessarily make you some kind of badass. I'm sure a lot of pussies have killed people just because they were so afraid of getting their ass beat. But there is no govern humans are born with that keeps them from doing it. What stops them is either fear of the consequences or social conditioning telling that it is "wrong" somehow. "Anti-social personality disorder" I guess is anyone who realizes that and doesn't feel any guilt for killing people he has no reason to care about.

And in a life threatening situation anyone would be able to kill or do their best to (if running wasn't an option) just as a reflex.

[Obbe]

Pretty good post ^

[Blunderstar]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Pretty good post ^

Whore to a chainsaw said the exact same shit in that "compassion: why?" thread, which you argued with him endlessly on.

[WeaselKit]

I haven't read a single word of this thread, I just came to say OP is a faggot for asking this question.

[p6867]

I never tortured animals or bullied people, but all my life i had fantasies about being in a trench as some faceless, armed other came after me and I shot him down. I'd been like that as long as i could remember, so i don't know if it was my admittedly very strange upbringing by a sociophobic father who thought my future would involve fighting the heathen chinese from our farm or just something i was born with. Either way, i'd wanted to fight someone to the death from childhood on and it wasn't until I did that for a few years that the urge really went away.

Now that i'm older, I have no desire for violence, but my first though in conflict resolution is how easily i could kill the other person and go about my life like normal afterwards.

[WAN]

i think serial killers are largely born..wasn't there a guy that had a super normal upbringing, was a boy scout, Ted Bundy he was called, and he killed girls for sport? I read that when he was three, he hid a knife in the bed so that he could watch his aunt get hurt...THREE! to be so given to violent thoughts at such a young age makes me think that his problem was largely genetic..which is actually good news for the rest of us, because that means if we can control people's genetics, we can in theory wipe out serial killers!!

anyway, another thing. have you guys noticed that almost all serial killers are male? what could be the explanation for this?

[Retard Synrdome]

In the end, they're still human.

[Blunderstar]

Originally Posted by WAN

Ted Bunny he was called

Hahahahahaha. You fucking troll, I knew it! Whatever, like Brandon, you're cute either way.

[WAN]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

Hahahahahaha. You fucking troll, I knew it! Whatever, like Brandon, you're cute either way.

lol oops, i meant to say Bundy

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Blunderstar

Whore to a chainsaw said the exact same shit in that "compassion: why?" thread, which you argued with him endlessly on.

If that is true, what's your point? Don't you ever argue just to see how far you can take it?

[Zombie Food]

Killers? Like, murderers?

I think it is mostly enviromental. But you can't say genetics don't play a role either.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by WeaselKit

I haven't read a single word of this thread, I just came to say OP is a faggot for asking this question.

That, except he is a faggot by default in spite of asking this question.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

That, except he is a faggot by default in spite of asking this question.

Go fuck yourself, faggot.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Go fuck yourself, faggot.

Just relax obbe. Denial is bad for the soul.

[Blunderstar]

Obbe stopped being as annoying when I found out he was the second oldest person in the Society forums, just behind Greyfox. I want so say pity took over, but that implies sympathy. Not sure what word to use.

[Obbe]

You're both internet badass faggots.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Obbe

You're both internet badass faggots.

And what behavior/opinion/attitude would you prefer me to express towards you?

[Blunderstar]

Originally Posted by Obbe

You're both internet badass faggots.

What makes an internet badass faggot an internet badass faggot?

Is there a genetic predisposition?

Is it the environment that they have been subjected to?

Is it a sort of philosophy they have learned?