Loch Ness monster cited by US schools as evidence that evolution is myth

[Haiti's Space Agency]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/loc...myth-1-2373903

THOUSANDS of American school pupils are to be taught that the Loch Ness monster is real – in an attempt by religious teachers to disprove Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

Pupils attending privately-run Christian schools in the southern state of Louisiana will learn from textbooks next year, which claim Scotland’s most famous mythological beast is a living creature.

Thousands of children are to receive publicly-funded vouchers enabling them to attend the schools – which follow a strict fundamentalist curriculum.

The Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) programme teaches controversial religious beliefs, aimed at disproving evolution and proving creationism.

Youngsters will be told that if it can be proved that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man, then Darwinism is fatally flawed.

Critics have slammed the content of the religious course books, labelling them “bizarre” and accusing them of promoting radical religious and political ideas.

One ACE textbook called Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc reads: “Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence.

“Have you heard of the Loch Ness Monster in Scotland? ‘Nessie’ for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.”

Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur.

One former pupil, Jonny Scaramanga, 27, who went through the ACE programme as a child, but now campaigns against Christian fundamentalism, said the Nessie claim was presented as “evidence” that evolution could not have happened.

He added: “The reason for that is they’re saying if Noah’s flood only happened 4,000 years ago, which they believe literally happened, then possibly a sea monster survived.

USA USA USA USA

[Zanick]

This will only happen if parents want it to, the private schools don't get funding from taxes. I feel bad for the kids, though.

[reject]

We should have killed our fundamentalist Christians all those years ago rather than let them sail across the ocean and settle in America.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Psych]

Originally Posted by zanick

This will only happen if parents want it to, the private schools don't get funding from taxes. I feel bad for the kids, though.

children are to receive publicly-funded vouchers

So yea, your taxes are paying for it.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by reject

We should have killed our fundamentalist Christians all those years ago rather than let them sail across the ocean and settle in America.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Wow, I'm glad you have no authority in such matters because the most backwards fundies I know would never do that to you.

[reject]

They would, they're fuckin crazy and want to kill all heathens, aka anyone who isn't crazy like them.

[Zanick]

boo hoo, all I hear is two pigs that hate one another. their oinks sound exactly alike.

[-SpectraL]

The Evolution theory is nothing but a joke. It sounds plausible on the surface, but when you actually break it down into its infinitesimal components, you quickly begin to discover how ludicrous, illogical, senseless and grasping it really is.

Here's the Evolution Theory in a nutshell:

There is some trees in the forest. The trees in the forest will become a house. The trees, over millions of years, somehow transform themselves/create themselves into planks. Another 100 million years pass and the boards somehow arrange themselves into the shape of a house. Millions more years pass and somehow the house develops rooms, doorways, windows, a roof complete with shingles, cupboards, stairs and even a finished bathroom. Now, you may ask, "How the hell did the trees become a house if the trees weren't intelligent enough to become a house in the first place?". According to the Evolution Theory, the trees were able to overcome the lack of intelligence through need. Because the trees could become a house they eventually had to become a house.

But anybody in their right mind knows that a forest full of trees will NEVER become a house on their own. You could wait one thousand million gazillion years and it will still be a forest, not a house. It takes an intelligent component in order to get the trees in the forest to transform into a house. Now, sure, some dipshit moron could simply insist the trees in the forest CAN transform into a house by themselves given enough time and enough opportunity, but any sane person knows that's nothing but a bunch of complete self-serving bullshit.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by zanick

boo hoo, all I hear is two pigs that hate one another. their oinks sound exactly alike.

Yeah, whenever you see one of those pigs mangling the fucking education of thousands of children in a country, then your awful point might be worth something. Until then their oinks sound nothing alike.

[007GoldenShower]

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[Psych]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

The Evolution theory is nothing but a joke. It sounds plausible on the surface, but when you actually break it down into its infinitesimal components, you quickly begin to discover how ludicrous, illogical, senseless and grasping it really is.

Here's the Evolution Theory in a nutshell:

There is some trees in the forest. The trees in the forest will become a house. The trees, over millions of years, somehow transform themselves/create themselves into planks. Another 100 million years pass and the boards somehow arrange themselves into the shape of a house. Millions more years pass and somehow the house develops rooms, doorways, windows, a roof complete with shingles, cupboards, stairs and even a finished bathroom. Now, you may ask, "How the hell did the trees become a house if the trees weren't intelligent enough to become a house in the first place?". According to the Evolution Theory, the trees were able to overcome the lack of intelligence through need. Because the trees could become a house they eventually had to become a house.

But anybody in their right mind knows that a forest full of trees will NEVER become a house on their own. You could wait one thousand million gazillion years and it will still be a forest, not a house. It takes an intelligent component in order to get the trees in the forest to transform into a house. Now, sure, some dipshit moron could simply insist the trees in the forest CAN transform into a house by themselves given enough time and enough opportunity, but any sane person knows that's nothing but a bunch of complete self-serving bullshit.

Are you hardcore trollin now? Or do you actually believe that to be an accurate analogy?

[Ph0x]

Spictroll is sooo retarded.

[NamelessNom4d]

Originally Posted by Psych

Are you hardcore trollin now? Or do you actually believe that to be an accurate analogy?

My thoughts exactly. I think I lost brain cells just reading that.

By the way we have proof of evolution in a short term, example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methici...ococcus_aureus

[constantinople]

It's gonna be funny when those kids get into an argument later in life and make baboons out of themselves arguing that Nessy is a real thing.

[p6867]

My mom just got super into religion after her divorce and now no longer believes in evolution. which is weird because she's a smart, educated woman.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

The Evolution theory is nothing but a joke. It sounds plausible on the surface, but when you actually break it down into its infinitesimal components, you quickly begin to discover how ludicrous, illogical, senseless and grasping it really is.

Here's the Evolution Theory in a nutshell:

There is some trees in the forest. The trees in the forest will become a house. The trees, over millions of years, somehow transform themselves/create themselves into planks. Another 100 million years pass and the boards somehow arrange themselves into the shape of a house. Millions more years pass and somehow the house develops rooms, doorways, windows, a roof complete with shingles, cupboards, stairs and even a finished bathroom. Now, you may ask, "How the hell did the trees become a house if the trees weren't intelligent enough to become a house in the first place?". According to the Evolution Theory, the trees were able to overcome the lack of intelligence through need. Because the trees could become a house they eventually had to become a house.

But anybody in their right mind knows that a forest full of trees will NEVER become a house on their own. You could wait one thousand million gazillion years and it will still be a forest, not a house. It takes an intelligent component in order to get the trees in the forest to transform into a house. Now, sure, some dipshit moron could simply insist the trees in the forest CAN transform into a house by themselves given enough time and enough opportunity, but any sane person knows that's nothing but a bunch of complete self-serving bullshit.

I sometimes forget that you are a young earth creationist, just with a different higher power.

You can get fruit flies, breed them in a sealed environment and kill off traits you aren't looking for and literally have a new species of fruit fly this time next year.

It's just nucleic chemical interaction. You're just a sack of chemicals trying to reproduce itself and preserve itself. The scale of 'life' is a joke. We're bacteria, we're pretty much the exact same chemical. Bacteria clump together all the time, your hunk of cells isn't anything special and it certainly isn't directed. Religious folk are just bothered by being just a sack of chemicals interacting, no different than baking soda in vinegar, but they want to be special so it couldn't just be as simple as science makes it out to be, there has to be a higher power directing it, whether god for most people or aliens for spectral, it's just self importance.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by p6867

I sometimes forget that you are a young earth creationist, just with a different higher power.

You can get fruit flies, breed them in a sealed environment and kill off traits you aren't looking for and literally have a new species of fruit fly this time next year.

It's just nucleic chemical interaction. You're just a sack of chemicals trying to reproduce itself and preserve itself. The scale of 'life' is a joke. We're bacteria, we're pretty much the exact same chemical. Bacteria clump together all the time, your hunk of cells isn't anything special and it certainly isn't directed. Religious folk are just bothered by being just a sack of chemicals interacting, no different than baking soda in vinegar, but they want to be special so it couldn't just be as simple as science makes it out to be, there has to be a higher power directing it, whether god for most people or aliens for spectral, it's just self importance.

The creation of DNA by randomness seems so statistically unlikely that it would be akin to a pile of steel beams erecting themselves into the Eiffel Tower. Now add in intelligence to direct each molecule to be at the right place at the right time, and the creation of DNA doesn't seem like a statistical impossibility.

[Mullen]

Originally Posted by p6867

My mom just got super into religion after her divorce and now no longer believes in evolution. which is weird because she's a smart, educated woman.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

The creation of DNA by randomness seems so statistically unlikely that it would be akin to a pile of steel beams erecting themselves into the Eiffel Tower. Now add in intelligence to direct each molecule to be at the right place at the right time, and the creation of DNA doesn't seem like a statistical impossibility.

Care to provide the statistical analysis that you did to determine the likelihood of DNA "assembling itself" (whatever the fuck that means)?

Pro-tip: Your ass isn't a source, the laws of biochemistry aren't random, and it is nowhere near analogous to the awful analogy you gave.

[Captain Falcon]

Time for some asian kid to murder/suicide his school again. It takes a Columbine to knock some sense into USA.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

The creation of DNA by randomness seems so statistically unlikely that it would be akin to a pile of steel beams erecting themselves into the Eiffel Tower. Now add in intelligence to direct each molecule to be at the right place at the right time, and the creation of DNA doesn't seem like a statistical impossibility.

There are motherfucking trillions of trillions of trillions of planets in a universe that is expanding faster than the speed of light, creating new planets constantly. What are the odds of DNA being created on a planet, are they one in a trillion? because that means it's happened trillions of trillions of times.

Get some perspective on how huge our universe is and how little your DNA or mine matters in it.

And i have some great evidence that nucleic acids first came from the primordial ooze without a directing progenitor, we have no evidence of a progenitor, but we do have RNA and DNA.

That's what always gets me. I don't have an agenda here. I just want to know as much as possible. If there did turn out to be a designer, that would be fucking awesome! The idea of an afterlife, of my consciousness not terminating upon the death of my body would be great. I'm terrified of death in a way that the religious don't understand and finding out that there's more than just this life would be amazing.
Unfortunately there is at this time no evidence that is the case.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Rust

Care to provide the statistical analysis that you did to determine the likelihood of DNA "assembling itself" (whatever the fuck that means)?

Pro-tip: Your ass isn't a source, and the laws of biochemistry aren't random.

Not to mention that even if they were random and the chance was 1/1000000, hot Earth chemistry was so crazy and fast during the formative stages of the planet, it was almost certain one of our self replicating molecules would get made anyway, kind of like rolling a million sided die a billion times. We're liable to at least once get each of the sides, it would be unlikely NOT to with that many iterations.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Rust

Care to provide the statistical analysis that you did to determine the likelihood of DNA "assembling itself" (whatever the fuck that means)?

Pro-tip: Your ass isn't a source, the laws of biochemistry aren't random, and the likelihood is nowhere near analogous to the awful analogy you gave.

Originally Posted by p6867

There are motherfucking trillions of trillions of trillions of planets in a universe that is expanding faster than the speed of light, creating new planets constantly. What are the odds of DNA being created on a planet, are they one in a trillion? because that means it's happened trillions of trillions of times.

Get some perspective on how huge our universe is and how little your DNA or mine matters in it.

And i have some great evidence that nucleic acids first came from the primordial ooze without a directing progenitor, we have no evidence of a progenitor, but we do have RNA and DNA.

That's what always gets me. I don't have an agenda here. I just want to know as much as possible. If there did turn out to be a designer, that would be fucking awesome! The idea of an afterlife, of my consciousness not terminating upon the death of my body would be great. I'm terrified of death in a way that the religious don't understand and finding out that there's more than just this life would be amazing.
Unfortunately there is at this time no evidence that is the case.

DNA is the most complex molecule in our universe. It forming in a functional way is probably the most statistically unlikely event that ever occurred in the universe, even with planets numbering in the trillions. Theist or atheist, I think it qualifies as a miracle.

[ZappaFan]

Dont give that nigga tree fiddy

[Rust]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

DNA is the most complex molecule in our universe. It forming in a functional way is probably the most statistically unlikely event that ever occurred in the universe, even with planets numbering in the trillions. Theist or atheist, I think it qualifies as a miracle.

Yeah, repeating bullshit isn't going to make it true. How are you determining the statistical likelihood of that? You're pulling that claim out of your ass.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Rust

Yeah, repeating bullshit isn't going to make it true. How are you determining the statistical likelihood of that? You're pulling that claim out of your ass.

Considering no one was alive to witness the conditions surrounding the creation of DNA, all there are is claims in regard to its formation. My claim that the odds of it being created are astronomically^n small is just as valid as any other.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

DNA is the most complex molecule in our universe. It forming in a functional way is probably the most statistically unlikely event that ever occurred in the universe, even with planets numbering in the trillions. Theist or atheist, I think it qualifies as a miracle.

No and we didn't have to directly form DNA, you tard. It could have hit up with simple RNAs and DNA is not the most complicated molecule in the universe, not even fucking close. DNA is something like C232 N92O139P22. On the other hand, we have titin (the protein) at C132983H211861N36149O40883S693 (had to google this, even I can't remember this shit) and that's only one protein, polymers have bazillions of monomers and there are several macromolecules out there.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Considering no one was alive to witness the conditions surrounding the creation of DNA, all there are is claims in regard to its formation. My claim that the odds of it being created are astronomically^n small is just as valid as any other.

Claims require proof, you tit. If you think throughout the billions of years of existence across the innumerable stars in the cosmos, one self replicating molecule forming is too improbable, you're beyond help.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

DNA is the most complex molecule in our universe. It forming in a functional way is probably the most statistically unlikely event that ever occurred in the universe, even with planets numbering in the trillions. Theist or atheist, I think it qualifies as a miracle.

Oh, you don't know a lot of science. I understand now.

[reject]

Religion is what people turn to when they don't understand science.

[sploogook]

Originally Posted by reject

Religion is what people turn to when they don't understand science.

this

[Rust]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Considering no one was alive to witness the conditions surrounding the creation of DNA, all there are is claims in regard to its formation. My claim that the odds of it being created are astronomically^n small is just as valid as any other.

If it's just as valid as any other claim, then we can reply your claim with any other claim. It's a wash. That doesn't help you.

That aside, we don't need to witness the conditions surrounding the creation of DNA to make estimates that have fairly reasonable upper and lower bounds on the likelihood of it happening.

You've provided nothing to support the idea that the odds are astronomically small, and have ignored points made that suggest the odds are not as small as you think they are.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Fine, you all can believe in chaos creating life if you want.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Fine, you all can believe in chaos creating life if you want.

Nobody should let what they "want" to believe interfere with what they SHOULD believe i.e. the truth. The truth is that there's almost certainly no God.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Nobody should let what they "want" to believe interfere with what they SHOULD believe i.e. the truth. The truth is that there's almost certainly no God.

No, the Truth is that there most definitely is a God.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

No, the Truth is that there most definitely is a God.

How many times do you need to be told that you need to back up your statements with proof? Before you try to pull the stupid old "where's your proof?" shit, my proof is that there is absolutely no proof for the existence of a God or Gods. I'd like you to provide me with a single shred of logically consistent proof for the existence of God. Go ahead.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Fine, you all can believe in chaos creating life if you want.

So you're giving us permission now?

Just so you have no excuse in the future; because it's clearly you currently have no fucking clue what you're talking about:

1. The primitive forms of life that would be relevant in this discussion, would not have DNA as complex as what we observe today. Using DNA as a comparison for "complexity" is extremely misleading.


2. As was already pointed out, this process wouldn't be happening in one or two locations. It would be happening around trillions and trillions of locations all over the universe. It would also not happen once, but continuously. So imagine trillions and trillions of attempts, each of them repeating a trillions and trillions of times.

Nothing close to analogous to a single Eiffel Tower constructing itself.


3. It wouldn't be random. Not only are the laws of biochemistry not random, but the chemical reactions occurring at that time wouldn't be truly random. The nucleosynthesis (i.e. creation of atoms) after the bigbang favors atoms over others, and the conditions at a given planet (e.g. ultraviolet light, lightning) favor certain reactions to others.

Moreover, self-replicating molecules would be selected upon by natural (chemical) selection, which is the opposite of random.

[reject]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Fine, you all can believe in chaos creating life if you want.

Rather that than a magical mystery man in the sky.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

How many times do you need to be told that you need to back up your statements with proof? Before you try to pull the stupid old "where's your proof?" shit, my proof is that there is absolutely no proof for the existence of a God or Gods. I'd like you to provide me with a single shred of logically consistent proof for the existence of God. Go ahead.

You haven't looked hard enough for proof, because it exists.

[Bobitis]

Was expecting the Onion, I'm a little disappointed in humanity

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

The creation of DNA by randomness seems so statistically unlikely that it would be akin to a pile of steel beams erecting themselves into the Eiffel Tower. Now add in intelligence to direct each molecule to be at the right place at the right time, and the creation of DNA doesn't seem like a statistical impossibility.

Improbable yes, but not impossible. When you think about the huge numbers involved across the entire universe, almost anything is possible.

Our planet is one of those few that are the right distance from the sun, have the right atmosphere and have water to sustain life. It's almost a little too perfect but that's because at the same time life has been adapting and filling niches, which is what evolution does, to best survive here.

Also when you think of all the planets we've found that don't support life, it shows how improbable it is.