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I realize that the answer to this is likely "no", except for the one person here who I've already spoken to regarding this, but does anyone have any experience dealing with this one yet? It is fairly new and there is not a hell of a lot of information available on it. I'm told it's very potent, which I expected to hear, and was warned of the usual dangers. Any thoughts/insight etc?
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Whats it supposed to be? Another SynCan? A stimulant? Psychadelic?
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Here is how I usually go about new 'noids, even though it is probably not the best way to go:
I usually throw a miniscule amount into a bulb and light 'er up. Either it gets the job done and you now have a starting point, or it doesn't. If it doesn't I will wait a while to let the initial bit go away, even though there was no effects. Then I will throw more in than the last time, and yeah, you get the picture. Like I said, probably not the smartest approach, but it's how I usually do it.
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Whats it supposed to be? Another SynCan? A stimulant? Psychadelic?
It's a 'noid
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Here is how I usually go about new 'noids, even though it is probably not the best way to go:
I usually throw a miniscule amount into a bulb and light 'er up. Either it gets the job done and you now have a starting point, or it doesn't. If it doesn't I will wait a while to let the initial bit go away, even though there was no effects. Then I will throw more in than the last time, and yeah, you get the picture. Like I said, probably not the smartest approach, but it's how I usually do it.
I was told by a very trusted individual of the boards that it is literally so potent that he doses by scraping the tip of a BIC pen cap along the wall of the bag without even touching the powder itself and vapes the residue collected. After my blackout-level ODs on 5F-UR144 I am not fucking around with hero doses anymore, plus at least I have a mg scale this time unlike EVERY other time I have ever had syncans.
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Yeah, if it supposed to be that potent, don't fuck around. I have heard some of these new ones can really fuck you up if you OD. Be careful man.
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Try a miniscule, tiny, microscopic amount and wait 20 minutes.
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Try a miniscule, tiny, microscopic amount and wait 20 minutes.
I'm going to dose about 1 mg and wait at least 45 minutes before redosing, I'm not curious as to how I should dose, I already figured that part out, I made this thread more to see if anyone else had some actual experience with it to share.
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I'm going to dose about 1 mg and wait at least 45 minutes before redosing, I'm not curious as to how I should dose, I already figured that part out, I made this thread more to see if anyone else had some actual experience with it to share.
I haven't heard a whole lot about it, probably because it is fairly new. But this is what I could come up with.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=202998

EDIT: I was seeing what I could find out about it the past few days, and that is probably the most informative thing that I came across after hours of looking.
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I haven't heard a whole lot about it, probably because it is fairly new. But this is what I could come up with.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=202998

EDIT: I was seeing what I could find out about it the past few days, and that is probably the most informative thing that I came across after hours of looking.
That's all I could come up with as well, plus one other very short report in a different thread on the same site. Thank you though.

Looks like I'll be a bit of a pioneer of this one, for science, of course
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That's all I could come up with as well, plus one other very short report in a different thread on the same site. Thank you though.

Looks like I'll be a bit of a pioneer of this one, for science, of course
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I was told by a very trusted individual of the boards that it is literally so potent that he doses by scraping the tip of a BIC pen cap along the wall of the bag without even touching the powder itself and vapes the residue collected. After my blackout-level ODs on 5F-UR144 I am not fucking around with hero doses anymore, plus at least I have a mg scale this time unlike EVERY other time I have ever had syncans.
Holy shit really? I didn't think anyone was going to make something more potent than AM-2201 to be honest. If anything I'd have thought these ester analogues like pb would have been considerably less potent.

Personally I've never felt comfortable with these ester/amide analogues. Too much unknown territory. Not trying to scare you, I just honestly don't know shit about these newer syncans
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Jesus christ that's just what we need, more potency. Fuck man, I wonder what the tolerance is going to be like on all these new noids.

Looks like PB-22 and MN-24 are around to replace the UR and 5F UR.
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^ MN-24 blows chunks, MN-18 is where it's at (and 5F-MN18 is frighteningly close to AM-2201, but with a lower flash point)

Uhh yeah 5F-PB22 is literally so strong, active doses for a non-tolerant individual are well below a single milligram. I've begun some process of putting it on blotter, complexed with HPBCD.

I have heard a story of a person taking a champion hit of this stuff, and having seizures that required his sister to take him to the hospital. He was ok, but still that is pretty wild even in worst-case-scenarios for a cannabinoid.

I have personally witnessed a guy vape 2 or 3 milligrams and become unconscious for over an hour, but with no seizures.



It's nice when dosed right, but personally I don't think this one should be sold on the open market like this, some 15 year old is gonna order some "spice powder" and smoke a bowl of this shit straight to the loony bin
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:30 AM
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It's those idiots fucking up everything for us man

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This stuff sounds scary though, if I had it I'd cut it personally. Or make incense.
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MN-24? Isn't that your very own compound NW? I wonder if the quinoline rather than the naphthyl would increase potency. Not that it would be necessary, just a curiosity. Someone should put a trifluoromethyl where that nitrogen is but on a naphthyl. Perhaps a 4-methyl akin to -122 as well.

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Ah okay, the way you said it I thought you went off to do that right away
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MN-24? Isn't that your very own compound NW? I wonder if the quinoline rather than the naphthyl would increase potency. Not that it would be necessary, just a curiosity. Someone should put a trifluoromethyl where that nitrogen is but on a naphthyl. Perhaps a 4-methyl akin to -122 as well.

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AGREED!

And no, I was behind MN-18, the indazole variation on MN-24.

The rationale behind these PB-22 compounds is a little confusing, structurally, and I'm guessing that's because there are things going on behind closed doors. Certainly, the jump from N-adamantyl or N-naphthalene compounds, to quinolines, is not a rational first choice, and to the best of my knowledge doesn't build off any patents, so there must be some [presumably] Japanese companies testing literally hundreds of analogues in private.

I like your triflouoromethyl idea on a naphthalene ring, and a quinoline analogous to JWH-122 would be interesting as well.

I figure, some day, when all this shit is banned, I'll get into a small scale cannabinoid synthing myself (for personal use) just because I'm so interested by these drugs and their potential applications. Plus they're really not that difficult to manufacture. (I'm talking synthetic JWH derivatives, not classical cannabinoids)

I'll call my efforts DIcKaL (Drugs I have known and loved)
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This may be worthy of a whole different thread or may have been answered somewhere, but if someone were to just cut synthcans to put into a bulb to vape it, what would be something that would work well?
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Just got my tracking number, should have this by tomorrow. I'll update this thread with a review for anyone curious.
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Shit, thanks, totally spaced on that, I said like 4 different times I was going to smoke some, then update this thread, then I'd smoke some, and totally forget about the second part.

I go home on a split shift from work in like an hour, I'll post some thoughts/observations etc when I get home
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Yeah let us know what you think. I'm smoking some right now, but only because I am all out of 5F-AKB48 and EAM-2201.

Shit is so weird. There seems to be a limit as to how much of this 5FPB stuff I can handle, and it doesn't matter whether it's all at once or not.

Like I can take little hits every once in a while, and I get nice highs (kinda), but after like the 4th or 5th decent hit I just don't feel well.


This doesn't normally happen with 'noids for me, either, so I'd be interested in your ideas on the topic, PoC.
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The newer cannabinoids seem kinda wrong to me. Something not quite right about them. The cunts should have left JWH 122 and 250 alone
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I'd like to hear from both of you how the tolerances develop and how long it lasts. I've had my tolerance get really high from UR 144.
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I agree. I know someone who hd an eam overdose and man it was terrible. Not just the oh imma die paranoia this person exhibited true symptoms of possible cardiac arrest.
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I'd like to hear from both of you how the tolerances develop and how long it lasts. I've had my tolerance get really high from UR 144.
it's come on quick, I got a sample a week ago, back then a lil dusting of powder in the end of a cigarette would do me, now I heap a small pile in.

And that's from only smoking it once a day for an hour or so. (so maybe 3 doses in that time)

Shit leaves me with a headache when I come down
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I agree. I know someone who hd an eam overdose and man it was terrible. Not just the oh imma die paranoia this person exhibited true symptoms of possible cardiac arrest.
See, normally you hear about this shit on bluelight or something and dismiss it as paranoid health freaks but when a zoklet member says something like this you better damn well listen.
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See, normally you hear about this shit on bluelight or something and dismiss it as paranoid health freaks but when a zoklet member says something like this you better damn well listen.
If you know my previous user name you know I am well versed in cannabanoids. I'm not messing around this new gen of syn cans is a different beast
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Why do you suppose they are getting this way?
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That it is.

5f-akb48 just smells toxic when you smoke it. And they do alter your brain, at least temporarily, way more than regular weed does.
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Why do you suppose they are getting this way?
Because as each generation is banned, they have to find new ways round the ban, and the new ways take them further and further away from the actions of the traditional cannabinoids.

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