Australian Military Buildup

[Aslav]

So, what's your opinion on the build-up?

Chinese diplomats confused and alarmed.

* 100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.
* 3 x new air warfare destroyers.
* 12 x new submarines.
* 8 x new 7000-tonne warships equipped with ballistic missile defence systems similar to the three air warfare destroyers.
* 14 x new 1500-tonne corvette-size patrol boats able to take a helicopter.
* 8 x new P-8 Poseidon long-range surveillance aircraft.
* 7 x new unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles - Global Hawk or similar.
* 27 x new anti-submarine helicopters.
* 6 x new C-130J Hercules transport aircraft.
* 13 x new transport aircraft to replace DHC-4 Caribou.
* 4 x new Chinook helicopters.
* ?? x new generation of armoured fighting vehicles.
* $10 billion long-term expansion and "hardening and networking" of the army will continue with the regular army growing to about 30,000, including eight infantry battalions.

[Name's Taken]

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.

Seriously though, why would china be alarmed? Unless they think for some reason this is planned in conjunction with other nations to attack them.

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by Name's Taken

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.

Seriously though, why would china be alarmed? Unless they think for some reason this is planned in conjunction with other nations to attack them.

I think its more them being offended at the thought that Australia considers them a threat.

[Name's Taken]

Oh well, why would they be thinking it's about them? Unless they really are planning something.

[The English Gentleman]

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

[Mantikore]

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

thats what i thought. i heard it was somewhere like 20 fighters.

doesnt matter though, since JSFs are the jack of all trades, yet ace of none.

by the way, old' Kevin is already spending like a mofo. how can he afford all this new hardware anyway

[Darkerofthemind]

I don't blame Australia in the least for wanting to build up having China in their back yard. Even though they are not hostile could hurt to be prepared for the worst. If I'm not mistaking China is building up their military as well.

[Marty McFly]

Originally Posted by Name's Taken

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.

Seriously though, why would china be alarmed? Unless they think for some reason this is planned in conjunction with other nations to attack them.

They were mentioned, I think that's why. In the article they tried their hardest not to single out China, yet in the end they still managed to.

Saturday's plan said the global economic downturn would slow the recent arms buildup in some Asian countries, though China will likely continue its military modernization, it said.

"But the pace, scope and structure of China's military modernization have the potential to give its neighbors cause for concern if not carefully explained," the paper says. "China has begun to do this in recent years, but needs to do more."

Originally Posted by The English Gentleman

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

Many articles confirmed the purchase of 100 JSF. Also, the £100,000,000 is a little closer to £55,000,000 ($83,000,000 USD according to wikipedia).

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by Darkerofthemind

I don't blame Australia in the least for wanting to build up having China in their back yard. Even though they are not hostile could hurt to be prepared for the worst. If I'm not mistaking China is building up their military as well.

Indeed. The Chinese are modernising their military like all hell, developing joint military technologies with countries such as Pakistan . They're developing aircraft that will check the air dominance of planes such as the F-22. They're called the J-14's, and top secret to the Chinese military.

Compare the two planes

- Chinese J-14. Notice the much broader, declined, and spaced vertical wings.

- American F-22.

Not only this, the Chinese have been accused of lying about their military expenditures; some in the West think the Chinese are spending tens of billions more than they care to tell.

Nonetheless, the Chinese military leaves much to be desired for still. Much of it's air force is obsolete, they've no carrier capabilities (though they bought an old Russian and are studying it to build their own) . Their navy consists mostly of submarines, and they seem to want to expand on this. They've built naval facilities capable of sheltering their vessels from spy satellites.

The Australians would be wise to keep a decent army handy.

[Aslav]

As the white paper says, the US may not be in a position to protect/defend us in the event we're attacked.

We need to be prepared.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Aslav

$10 billion long-term expansion and "hardening and networking" of the army will continue with the regular army growing to about 30,000, including eight infantry battalions.

Wow...that's....hardcore.

lol@ the "top secret" Chinese fighter than Yggstewyrlsi has a picture of.

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by Azure

Wow...that's....hardcore.

lol@ the "top secret" Chinese fighter than Yggstewyrlsi has a picture of.

Just 'cause the Chinese try to keep their plane under wraps doesn't mean it actually is, you're right.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Just 'cause the Chinese try to keep their plane under wraps doesn't mean it actually is, you're right.

If you continue to slip up like this, the Chinks will catch onto you being an undercover CIA agent.

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by Azure

If you continue to slip up like this, the Chinks will catch onto you being an undercover CIA agent.

*sneaks out of thread*

[Phinehas]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

- Chinese J-14. Notice the much broader, declined, and spaced vertical wings.

That's a picture of a YF-23, a prototype which competed with and eventually lost to the F-22, it even says so on the tail.

Edit: Also, please notice the US Air Force insignia on the wing -- it is somewhat blurry -- and that the file name identifies the aircraft as a YF-23.

[Mantikore]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

is it me, or is that plane missing the left part of its tail?

[Yggdrasil]

My bad. Found another

[crazzyass]

Good move on Austrailia's part. Economic turmoil breeds unrest, on top of the fact that many countries unfriendly to the West are building up. With the current financial situation, increased tensions with Iran/Isael, and Pakistan having the Taliban knocking on the door of their nuclear arsenal, shit could go down faster than you'd think.

[reallystupidstuff]

Originally Posted by Mantikore

is it me, or is that plane missing the left part of its tail?

ZOMG super new stealth teknology

[talonner]

The worst part of this is that American technology will be bought. That has American chips in it and can be remotely controlled. American munitions are also a very bad idea.

We are going to get closer to China if anything.

America is fucked, well and truly, which is good news.

Russian gear would be a better idea for the government to purchase, it's cheaper, so we can buy more, and much better. However, due to infiltration of the ALP by Chinese spies, that would be disadvantageous to the Russians as their gear would get reverse engineered like mad. At least the Chinese spies who have infiltrated our government at very high levels have present access to all the American gear we have.

Oh, did I forget to write, America is fucked?

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by talonner

The worst part of this is that American technology will be bought. That has American chips in it and can be remotely controlled.

[talonner]

Originally Posted by Aslav

Oh ok, so do you know anyone from DIG, DSD, SASR, 4RAR, 1CDO, CDT's, ASIS, ASIO or the ONA?

No?

Oh, well then, fuck off.

[talonner]

You probably don't know because it is beyond your clearance or pay range, but there is a reason we don't have certain American missiles.

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by talonner

Oh ok, so do you know anyone from DIG, DSD, SASR, 4RAR, 1CDO, CDT's, ASIS, ASIO or the ONA?

No?

Oh, well then, fuck off.

I have friends in the SASR, 4RAR, ASIS and ASIO.

Spouting off acronyms does not lend credibility to your tinfoil hat argument.

[abusername]

Australia is getting ready to fight against the NWO.

[talonner]

Originally Posted by Aslav

I have friends in the SASR, 4RAR, ASIS and ASIO.

Spouting off acronyms does not lend credibility to your tinfoil hat argument.

No you don't.

I wonder if you were aware that many parts of the ADF have zero trust for ASIS and ASIO?

Probably not.

Fuck off.

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by talonner

No you don't.

I wonder if you were aware that many parts of the ADF have zero trust for ASIS and ASIO?

Probably not.

Fuck off.

Uh oh, looks like another tinfoil hat theory that can't be backed up.

I have IO frends in ASIO and ASIS.

[sexualjesus]

i have to agree with aslav, putting chips to controll our weapons is well out of our worlds capabilities yet, maybe nuclear missiles, and maybe some really really expensive scud missiles, but all a vehicle is is a combustion motor powering a metal frame, if there was a chip that could be "wireless controlled" to stop us from using it, our engineers would just take the fucker off and rig it up so it works without it, if crooks can get into a car with an immobiliser our engineers can work around some shitty chip.

also theres still no such thing, even the missile systems that the americans have in there own soil are of poor technology compared to what your saying, russia and america almost nuked each other in the cold war over blips on there radar, let alone some magical chip that will shut down everything we controll via some super super powerful wireless protocol

spouting random acronyms does not crush the tinfoil hat argument, im sure meth addicts can make up a whole tonne of fake names for the controll towers reading there brainwaves too

[sexualjesus]

but thanks for the link aslav, the more shit our government owns the less chance those dirty commies will take us over

[talonner]

Originally Posted by sexualjesus

i have to agree with aslav, putting chips to controll our weapons is well out of our worlds capabilities yet, maybe nuclear missiles, and maybe some really really expensive scud missiles, but all a vehicle is is a combustion motor powering a metal frame, if there was a chip that could be "wireless controlled" to stop us from using it, our engineers would just take the fucker off and rig it up so it works without it, if crooks can get into a car with an immobiliser our engineers can work around some shitty chip.

also theres still no such thing, even the missile systems that the americans have in there own soil are of poor technology compared to what your saying, russia and america almost nuked each other in the cold war over blips on there radar, let alone some magical chip that will shut down everything we controll via some super super powerful wireless protocol

spouting random acronyms does not crush the tinfoil hat argument, im sure meth addicts can make up a whole tonne of fake names for the controll towers reading there brainwaves too

And you both have no fucking idea.

[talonner]

Originally Posted by Aslav

Uh oh, looks like another tinfoil hat theory that can't be backed up.

I have IO frends in ASIO and ASIS.

No you don't. You also don't have friends 4 or SASR.

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by talonner

No you don't. You also don't have friends 4 or SASR.

Oh ok, you're familiar with all my friends that I did recruit training and went to school with?

You've yet to provide proof for any of the claims you've made, though I know you wont because it is all made up.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by abusername

Australia is getting ready to fight against the NWO.

[talonner]

Originally Posted by Aslav

Oh ok, you're familiar with all my friends that I did recruit training and went to school with?

You've yet to provide proof for any of the claims you've made, though I know you wont because it is all made up.

You don't have friends in ASIO, ASIS, SASR or commandos.

I can't provide documented proof for you on zoklet you dumb fuck.

I bet the next thing you will tell me is that you can't hold a rank of 'specialist' in Australia.

Fuck off.

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by talonner

You don't have friends in ASIO, ASIS, SASR or commandos.

I can't provide documented proof for you on zoklet you dumb fuck.

I bet the next thing you will tell me is that you can't hold a rank of 'specialist' in Australia.

Fuck off.

Perhaps you could provide 'documented proof' another way?

[talonner]

What do I need to prove to you?

I am telling you that US bought munitions are chipped and can be remotely deactivated.

You disagree. You are wrong.

Are you going to try and tell me that Specialist is not an Australian rank?

Just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't true.

[007GoldenShower]

The ADF hasn't made any decision on JSF numbers, jackass.

[Aslav]

Originally Posted by talonner

What do I need to prove to you?

I am telling you that US bought munitions are chipped and can be remotely deactivated.

You disagree. You are wrong.

Are you going to try and tell me that Specialist is not an Australian rank?

Just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't true.

You're the one making the ridiculous claim that the US has put chips which allow them to control all munitions remotely (by some technology as yet unknown) without detection by any of the purchasing nations over many decades, you are the one who has to prove it is correct.

On a search of all threads made by you, you're clearly an Anti-American delusional tinfoil hat-wearing fuck.

As for the second thing, where have I mentioned that?

Originally Posted by 007GoldenShower

The ADF hasn't made any decision on JSF numbers, jackass.

Yes, it was announced by Kevin Rudd and Joel Fitzgibbon in the last few weeks.

[talonner]

I know for a fact that certain US munitions are chipped and require US clearance to fire even when owned by a different host nation, as well as them being able to be remotely deactivated.

You don't know fucking shit.

I am most certainly a fuck, though.

You know the CIA set up Al Qaeda right? You know the USA refused to help us in East Timor/Timor Leste unless we signed over all executive decisions to them? Why would anyone with a sense of patriotism or a semblance of intelligence, living in this country, have any respect or admiration for America?

Go on, keep on sucking cock brass polisher.

You are absolutely fucking clueless and a disgrace to Australia.

[Syphilis]

Spouting off acronyms does not lend credibility to your tinfoil hat argument.

Thank you.



Now we need some nuclear weapons.