Who DOENST want terrorists tortured??

[Captain Politik]

What the fuck is going on in america??? People are complaining and seriously considering PRESSING CHARGES agasint people who tortured TERRORISTS???

Can anyone here really tell me that they dont want a fucking raghead from the middle east tortured who was a terrorist?

1) there religion calls for them to kill every non muslim on earth

2) they caused the deaths of thousands of innocent americans

3) if they had the chance they woudl kill every single non muslim on earth and torture us to death at that

FUCK those dirty muslims. It is just crazy how far its gone BECAUSE TERRORISTS WERE TORTURED.. NO NOT FUCKING INNOCENT PEOPLE BUT DIRTY FUCKING TERRORIST MUSLIMS.

anyone else feel the same way

[Dichromate]

I hope to god that you're for real and not trolling.
It would make my day.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Originally Posted by antonio123

What the fuck is going on in america??? People are complaining and seriously considering PRESSING CHARGES agasint people who tortured TERRORISTS???

Can anyone here really tell me that they dont want a fucking raghead from the middle east tortured who was a terrorist?

1) there religion calls for them to kill every non muslim on earth

2) they caused the deaths of thousands of innocent americans

3) if they had the chance they woudl kill every single non muslim on earth and torture us to death at that

FUCK those dirty muslims. It is just crazy how far its gone BECAUSE TERRORISTS WERE TORTURED.. NO NOT FUCKING INNOCENT PEOPLE BUT DIRTY FUCKING TERRORIST MUSLIMS.

anyone else feel the same way

You look like a well informed, non-bias American!

[Aperson444]

It's so funny. Everyone blames the Muslims... but in reality, throughout history.... Muslims have been killed by Zionists, Christians, all of those bitches.

[Thought Riot]

I think the real problem is that we aren't even torturing terrorists. Less than 10% of captives are actually taken by Coalition forces. The rest are turned over by warlords and the Pakistanis for bounties. We're torturing all prisoners without any evidence of guilt or reasonable proof that they might have intel. Hell, most torturing is to just try to get confessions so that units can report that they captured 80 people this month and 98% of them were terrorists!

I have no problem with using any techniques to pump terrorists for information if it gets us good intelligence. However, only the upper level people in terrorists actually have any decent information. Right now, we're torturing anyone who we capture. That's a problem IMO. Torturing innocents isn't right just because they so happen to be arab and in the wrong place.

[slm33d]

Lol who doenst

[Idiot]

1) there religion calls for them to kill every non muslim on earth

Not true, read the Koran. If anything it sends off a strong anti-Jewish vibe, more than anti-Christian. The Koran and the Holy Bible both preach respecting thy neighbor. So if there is a small group of radicals wishing death upon the Christian world, then I guess we can call it even for all the crusades Christian kingdoms have waged on them.

2) they caused the deaths of thousands of innocent americans

Yes the fact that they PURPOSELY target civilians as opposed to our military accidentally killing them, but this still does not warrant torture.

3) if they had the chance they woudl kill every single non muslim on earth and torture us to death at that

That is an extreme. When you say that you are speaking for a very large group of people. Also, you are intensifying the situation, by creating an "US OR THEM" mentality. Most people, just want to have a nice colored TV and watch their kids grow up.

FUCK those dirty muslims. It is just crazy how far its gone BECAUSE TERRORISTS WERE TORTURED.. NO NOT FUCKING INNOCENT PEOPLE BUT DIRTY FUCKING TERRORIST MUSLIMS.

Fuck those dirty Muslims is a real slam to entire body of people. A few Catholic priest molest little boys every now and then, but does that mean all of Catholicism is bad and the Pope is evil? With a statement like that you are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Torture is a crude and barbaric method for getting information. Furthermore, it can always be argued, that some of the people being tortured are actually innocent. People will say anything when tortured, point and case:The Spanish Inquisition.

Also, you create a more extreme enemy when you encourage torture. Some of the most barbaric fighting the world has ever seen was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union during WW2. When one side starts breaking the rules, the other side will follow suit. Both sides were fighting to the death, because they knew if they were captured, labor camps and firing squads are all that awaited them. We would be playing into the terrorists' hands if we decided that they were not worthy of the same trials and hearings every other enemy combatant is worthy of.

If America supports torture, we will be like Animal Farm and you will no longer be able to tell who the men and who the pigs are. It is a slippery slope.

[diamonddogg]

Originally Posted by antonio123

1) there religion calls for them to kill every non muslim on earth

2) they caused the deaths of thousands of innocent americans

3) if they had the chance they woudl kill every single non muslim on earth and torture us to death at that
anyone else feel the same way

Are you a muslim?Can you speak on behalf of all muslims worldwide and talk about what their religion tells them to do or what they would do?Do you even know the history of Islam and how they controlled spain, and how spain had christains,jews and muslims living and working in it, they couldve killed off non muslims then why didnt they??

[Vargus]

Originally Posted by antonio123

What the fuck is going on in america??? People are complaining and seriously considering PRESSING CHARGES agasint people who tortured TERRORISTS???

Their word is as good as mine until tried by some sort of court. Hardly any have had military tribunals, let alone federal court hearings and you are so quick to call them terrorists? Why don't I just get the ball rolling and strap you to a dunking chair?

1) there religion calls for them to kill every non muslim on earth

Judaism calls for the stoning of sundry sinners.

2) they caused the deaths of thousands of innocent americans

No, the guys who are actually responsible are 1) dead, 2) in custody, or 3) have effectively been let free by the incompetence of the previous administration's childish infighting.

3) if they had the chance they woudl kill every single non muslim on earth and torture us to death at that

Are you powerless to defend yourself? Do you need a big brother to watch your back? I don't.

Get fucked.

[Animal Farm Pig]

I'm against it.

It's morally reprehensible because it's dehumanizing to the one who is tortured and the one who is doing the torture. We should work towards a world in which all can thrive and live a life of dignity and fulfillment. Rather than torturing, we should find out why someone became a terrorist and work to solve the very real issues that lead to terrorism (oppression, alienation, etc.)

To do so will be much more difficult than just torturing and imprisoning people, but if we start from the point of understanding and working together to create a better world, the world will be a better place.

Of course, sometimes it's not going to work. Some individuals are simply enemies of the people. In that case, we still shouldn't torture. Just put them against the wall and shoot them. At least they'll die with some dignity.

[Dichromate]

Originally Posted by Aperson444

It's so funny. Everyone blames the Muslims... but in reality, throughout history.... Muslims have been killed by Zionists, Christians, all of those bitches.

Congrads on being as big a moron as the thread starter.
learn2history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

They didn't spread across the middle east, North Africa and Iberia by singing Kum-By-Yah.

as far as the crusades are concerned, well.... they started it.
It took a few hundred years of Islamic conquests before the pope and Christendom as a whole did shit - talk about turning the other cheek.

also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe

[Mantikore]

An execution is much more cheap than torture. Torture is used as a means to extract intelligence.

but then again, theres always the slippery slope argument

[Snoopy]

Because civilized people have to uphold their values, even in times of war. I know that this gives them a weakness, but how else can they spread their values if they don't live by them? By torturing people, you become a terrorist yourself. Unless no one knows about it...

America is not really good at keeping people from knowing about it...

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by diamonddogg

Can you speak on behalf of all muslims worldwide and talk about what their religion tells them to do or what they would do?

There are plenty of muslims who claim to speak on behalf of all muslims worldwide, and they do horrible things in the name of Islam. Where is the outrage? He was just regurgitating the shit those scumbags chant over and over about infidels.

You chose to single out somebody who has done nothing in the name of Islam instead of the animals who do. Fuck you.

[jeosan]

Me...

[a giant pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by Aperson444

It's so funny. Everyone blames the Muslims... but in reality, throughout history.... Muslims have been killed by Zionists, Christians, all of those bitches.

and they need to be killed again and again until they are gone. then they can all play WoW IN ALLAH LAND WITH THERE 72 VIRGINS

terrorist world wide MUST be tortured at any given time. its how we extract info from the,

[Chinese Food52]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

There are plenty of muslims who claim to speak on behalf of all muslims worldwide, and they do horrible things in the name of Islam. Where is the outrage? He was just regurgitating the shit those scumbags chant over and over about infidels.

You chose to single out somebody who has done nothing in the name of Islam instead of the animals who do. Fuck you.

That's because those 'animals' make up not even 1 percent of the Muslim population idiot.

And those 'terrorists' came about because of Western rape of their land for the past half decade. People become desperate when they feel they are getting screwed.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by Chinese Food52

That's because those 'animals' make up not even 1 percent of the Muslim population idiot.

And those 'terrorists' came about because of Western rape of their land for the past half decade. People become desperate when they feel they are getting screwed.

Neither of those arguments justifies the carnage done by self-proclaimed muslims in the name of Islam, for which you should be doubly horrified as you are at the anti-muslim sentiment it generates.

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by Aperson444

It's so funny. Everyone blames the Muslims... but in reality, throughout history.... Muslims have been killed by Zionists, Christians, all of those bitches.

Precisely--one reason some Muslims (NOT ALL OF THEM) hate Christians is because of the slaughter at the seige of Jerusalem.

OP would be well advised to 1) learn some history, and 2) transcend his fear.

[SHH]

I'd prefer if they were let out and could continue killing Americans and Brits.

[puzld]

I agree that terrorists should be tortuted -- in particular, Ron Paul supporters, defenders of the Constitution and Iraq War veterans. And especially those domestic terrorists who have the silly "Don't Treat on Me" bumper stickers.

[pengd0t]

Originally Posted by antonio123

Can anyone here really tell me that they dont want a fucking raghead from the middle east tortured who was a terrorist?

I don't want anyone to be tortured, and "terrorist" isn't a good description of all the sorts of people who were taken to Guantanamo.

1) there religion calls for them to kill every non muslim on earth

The Arabic term "Islam" itself (إسلام) is usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God. It comes from the term aslama, which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself".

L. Gardet; J. Jomier. "Islam". Encyclopaedia of Islam Online. ; "Lane's lexicon"
PDF: http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexico...4/00000137.pdf

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The Arabic word salaam (سلام) ("peace") has the same root as the word Islam. One Islamic interpretation is that individual personal peace is attained by utterly submitting to Allah. The greeting "Salaam alaykum", favoured by Muslims, has the literal meaning "Peace be with you". Muhammad is reported to have said once, "Mankind are the dependents, or family of God, and the most beloved of them to God are those who are the most excellent to His dependents." "Not one of you believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." Great Muslim scholars of prophetic tradition such as Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani and Sharafuddin al Nawawi have said that the words ‘his brother’ mean any person irrespective of faith.

"Islam". Online Etymology Dictionary.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none

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In his Last Sermon, the Prophet Muhammad admonished believers:

* "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."

* “None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”

* "Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer; treat well as a neighbor the one who lives near you, that you may be a Muslim [one who submits to God]."

* “That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.”

* "The most righteous of men is the one who is glad that men should have what is pleasing to himself, and who dislikes for them what is for him disagreeable."

2) they caused the deaths of thousands of innocent americans

"They?" Who Muslims?
So have Christians. And Jews. And everyone else...
Because religious background doesn't really matter. There are always radical fundamentalists who will employ whatever is useful to manipulate people... particularly the extremely poor who are living lives without any hope for anything better.

Americans' lives aren't worth more than others, and even if they were, it wouldn't be at this exchange rate:
9/11 deaths: 2,974 (though that includes citizens of other countries as well)
Civilians killed in Afghanistan: 10,960 - 30,557
Civilians killed in Iraq: 91,926 - 100,351

3) if they had the chance they woudl kill every single non muslim on earth and torture us to death at that

See #1. It still applies. You're still wrong.

FUCK those dirty muslims. It is just crazy how far its gone BECAUSE TERRORISTS WERE TORTURED.. NO NOT FUCKING INNOCENT PEOPLE BUT DIRTY FUCKING TERRORIST MUSLIMS.

I'm glad that even those who are actually in the U.S. military in the middle east don't think such ridiculous things... at least from my experience anyway, I'm sure there are dumbasses everywhere.

[Dog]

I think it's good that we are denouncing torture as long as it's still on the table behind closed doors. It's easy for hippies to preach non-violence from the safety of their own homes, but in the real world, there are people who simply will not talk unless they are tortured.

[Dog]

On the topic of Islam: Mohammad was a pedophile, mysogynist, racist, rapist, terrorist and murderer. That's history. When the religion's biggest prophet was worse than Osama Bin Laden, is it really a surprise that there are terrorists?

And that's not even getting into all of the shit in the Koran and Haddith...

That's not to say that Christianity can't be used as justification for bad stuff, because it has, is, and probably always will be. The difference, however, is that it doesn't take any delusion to interpret Islam's teachings as promoting terrorism, violence, and oppression.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Precisely--one reason some Muslims (NOT ALL OF THEM) hate Christians is because of the slaughter at the seige of Jerusalem.

OP would be well advised to 1) learn some history, and 2) transcend his fear.

Slaughter is so passe these days, perhaps you could use more politically correct terminology, such as "flew a jumbo jet into a skyscraper full of innocent civilians" or such.

I know, I know, we're all pre-occupied with the seige of Jerusalem and all, but seriously...

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

I think it's good that we are denouncing torture as long as it's still on the table behind closed doors. It's easy for hippies to preach non-violence from the safety of their own homes, but in the real world, there are people who simply will not talk unless they are tortured.

And thery will say ANYTHING, which is why torture doesn't work.

That aside, torture is morally evil. We're supposed to be the good guys.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

And they will say ANYTHING, which is why torture doesn't work.

That's not true. Torturing people who don't have any info will obviously produce false confessions and fake information. People have twisted that tidbit around to mean that torturing people who DO have info is useless, which it isn't.

As for the "morally evil" part...I don't see how hurting one person to save his many victims is morally wrong.

[pengd0t]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

I think it's good that we are denouncing torture as long as it's still on the table behind closed doors. It's easy for hippies to preach non-violence from the safety of their own homes, but in the real world, there are people who simply will not talk unless they are tortured.

Though I could see where that could be true, it's not really what the CIA found when they did it...

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

On the topic of Islam: Mohammad was a pedophile, mysogynist, racist, rapist, terrorist and murderer. That's history. When the religion's biggest prophet was worse than Osama Bin Laden, is it really a surprise that there are terrorists?

On the topic of Christianity: Yahweh was a pedophile, mysogynist, racist, rapist, terrorist and murderer. That's mythology. When the religion's biggest deity was worse than Osama Bin Laden, is it really a surprise that there are Christian fundamentalists willing do wipe out another religion with no good reason?

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

That's not true. Torturing people who don't have any info will obviously produce false confessions and fake information. People have twisted that tidbit around to mean that torturing people who DO have info is useless, which it isn't.

As for the "morally evil" part...I don't see how hurting one person to save his many victims is morally wrong.

I don't imagine it would ALL be useless information, but you'd certainly have to torture a lot of others to corroborate that kind of information. If you're torturing someone, I think it's natural to suspect that he might not be feeling friendly and helpful when he tells you something.

What about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who was waterboarded 183 times in March of '03. Now they're saying that all the good information they got from him, they got by being civil to him and developing a good relationship. They got nothing really useful once they began to torture him. Considering that it's not unlikely that he knew about upcoming Madrid bombings or the London Bombings. If the CIA hadn't been started torturing him, he might have kept giving useful information and prevented more terrorist acts.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by pengd0t

On the topic of Christianity: Yahweh was a pedophile, mysogynist, racist, rapist, terrorist and murderer. That's mythology. When the religion's biggest deity was worse than Osama Bin Laden, is it really a surprise that there are Christian fundamentalists willing do wipe out another religion with no good reason?

Lulz. Christianity's God isn't a pedophile, racist, rapist, mysogynist, or terrorist. Murderer is pretty much the only one you got, and you could say he's a bit of sexist.

And while it's a given that the Christian god is cruel, apparently you forgot the peace-loving hippie prophet of the religion named Jesus.

[nutsack]

Calling someone a 'terrorist' is subjective. Today to the average idiot American it means anyone against the US government. I don't want anyone like that tortured.

US government uses terrorism

[Paragon]

Originally Posted by Aperson444

It's so funny. Everyone blames the Muslims... but in reality, throughout history.... Muslims have been killed by Zionists, Christians, all of those bitches.

Throughout the majority of history; yes. Today, the Muslims do most of the killing.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by black

Calling someone a 'terrorist' is subjective. Today to the average idiot American it means anyone against the US government. I don't want anyone like that tortured.

US government uses terrorism

Seperate US citizen from American government, lest you emulate that which you denounce by using bigotry to condemn an entire nation of people.

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

Seperate US citizen from American government, lest you emulate that which you denounce by using bigotry to condemn an entire nation of people.

Don't worry, I do. I plan to visit America.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by black

Don't worry, I do. I plan to visit America.

Watch out for niggers

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

Watch out for niggers

You'd be surprised how much the niggers are emulated in other countries

[pengd0t]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

Lulz. Christianity's God isn't a pedophile, racist, rapist, mysogynist, or terrorist. Murderer is pretty much the only one you got, and you could say he's a bit of sexist.

Perhaps pedophile is a stretch, but only a small one considering the only human Yahweh is known to have impregnated in the canonized books was probably from 12-14. So if she must have been prepubescent for it to count, then it could go either way...

Not a rascist?
For one thing, to even pick out one race of people as "god's chosen people" is starting off with racial prejudice... but that's not such a big deal when compared to this sort of stuff that goes on all through the Old Testament:

Genesis 9:18-29

The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the earth. Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth ; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his slave." After the flood Noah lived 350 years. Altogether, Noah lived 950 years, and then he died.

Exodus 17:14-16

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven." Moses built an altar and called it The LORD is my Banner. He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."

Deuteronomy 25:17-19

Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and cut off all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God. When the LORD your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!

1 Samuel 15:2-9

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand men from Judah. Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine. Then he said to the Kenites, "Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt." So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites. Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, to the east of Egypt. He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.

As for mysogany, I was really only referring to the sexism. I didn't happen to know what it was about the story of Mohammed that showed that he actually hated women, so I assumed you were just stretching sexism a bit far too. So I left that one in.

And murderer is being pretty lenient... though I'll accept it because "genocider" sounds ridiculous.

And while it's a given that the Christian god is cruel, apparently you forgot the peace-loving hippie prophet of the religion named Jesus.

In my experiences, Jesus's hippy teachings have nothing to do with all the murder that's gone on in the name of Christianity, and very little to do with what's taught in modern Christian churches. So you'll have to forgive me if I forget about that guy every now and then...

[Dichromate]

Originally Posted by VladieShark

Throughout the majority of history; yes. Today, the Muslims do most of the killing.

oh for fucks sake. that is an utter inversion of reality.

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by pengd0t

In my experiences, Jesus's hippy teachings have nothing to do with all the murder that's gone on in the name of Christianity, and very little to do with what's taught in modern Christian churches. So you'll have to forgive me if I forget about that guy every now and then...

Fuck most churches, but Jesus's hippy teachings hit the nail on the head. As did the teachings of several others in history such as the Buddha. Oldschool religions are outdated as fuck. They do still contain the right messages within all the bullshit though and are probably still right for some people, but should eventually be phased out if the population ever starts to evolve.

[Fza]

Originally Posted by Aperson444

It's so funny. Everyone blames the Muslims... but in reality, throughout history.... Muslims have been killed by Zionists, Christians, all of those bitches.

Which is also bullshit. How did the Islam spread thoughout the world? Through force, just like christianity. And we should also note that muslims tried to invade europe on several occasions, before the crusades were launched even.

But every religion has blood on it's hands and I despise them all.

And the OP is an idiot.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by pengd0t

In my experiences, Jesus's hippy teachings have nothing to do with all the murder that's gone on in the name of Christianity, and very little to do with what's taught in modern Christian churches. So you'll have to forgive me if I forget about that guy every now and then...

Well, it's very reassuring that you forgot about his "hippy" teachings in favor of humanity's lessons in intolerance and murder. I can't even begin to tell you how awesome that is.... woohooo.

Oh, my bad... I didn't realize that you were trying to be sarcastic.