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Old 05-24-2009, 09:48 PM
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Default i just want a legitimate meth synthesis for dummies

so far i have googled and googled and only found two recipes:
http://www.simple-ways-to-make-metha...th-recipe.html
http://www.simple-ways-to-make-metha...th-recipe.html

but i just realized totsepedia is back up (it wasnt last time i checked) so im going to check there.

are either of the two above links legitimate? nazi meth seems to simple and im pretty sure its not real meth, and the red-white-blue recipe just doesnt seem right.

to people who think meth is too hard for someone without some sort of chemical engineering diploma to make:
gtfo, meth is probably one of the easiest drugs to make on your own, granted its dangerous, but its not hard. if you can make cookies you can make meth, but learning to make cookies is easy, you can take a baking class, their are no meth lab classes...

if some redneck can do this in his basement then i can do it in my shed (i dont have a basement)

now i know we have all seen threads like this before and sometimes they are not taken seriously.

i am just a guy trying to get by and i want to build a meth lab. and im sure all of you former totseans know that their should be no restriction on this information. i couldnt be more serious about this. i did not just wake up this morning and decide i want to build a meth lab, i have put a lot of thought into this and come to the decision that this is what i want to do, but trying to find a good meth synthesis is a lot more frustrating than i imagined it would be (you know, with the internet and all...).

so anyway, im looking for a good meth recipe that the layman can understand.
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: i just want a legitimate meth synthesis for dummies

First of all.

You've just admitted to all sorts of illegal shit on the internet.

Precursors in quantity aren't that easy to get.

You will probably end up with shit if you are trying to find the 'easy way' to make MA.

Then there is the possibility you do end up with something. Which you will likely get addicted to, which will slowly ruin your life and health.

Sometimes it's just better to quit while you're ahead.
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: i just want a legitimate meth synthesis for dummies

ok i just got something from totsepedia:
the two "best":
http://zoklet.net/index.php/Methamph...:_The_Easy_Way.
^^^pretty much the same as the above "red-white-blue" method, does not have measurements for chemicals though


http://zoklet.net/index.php/Revised/...tamine_Recipie
^^^this one seems alright... but idk... its my first time..
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knock knock,

guess who





Anyway, I saw something somewhere that you can extract the eph/pse alkaloids from a certain plant using methanol, clean it up a bit and then go straight to a HI reduction on it. you will get very crappy meth and it probably takes more effort to isolate it than to clean the precursors up first. the HI can also be made without RP, but that's not for dummies.
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First of all.

You've just admitted to all sorts of illegal shit on the internet.

Precursors in quantity aren't that easy to get.

You will probably end up with shit if you are trying to find the 'easy way' to make MA.

Then there is the possibility you do end up with something. Which you will likely get addicted to, which will slowly ruin your life and health.

Sometimes it's just better to quit while you're ahead.
im not really planning on doing it a lot, i know "thats what they all say" but i really could care less about my life. this just seems like an easy way to make money. and no, im not selling it my self.
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im not really planning on doing it a lot, i know "thats what they all say" but i really could care less about my life. this just seems like an easy way to make money. and no, im not selling it my self.
making drugs in a homescale lab (1ltr flasks, 200mm condensers, ect) isnt going to make you much money. maybe a few grand over a long period of selling dimes to crackheads. it isn't very easy, either. or easier than say, having a real job that will probably earn you more money in the long run.
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im sure all of you former totseans know that their should be no restriction on this information.
Except, of course, for posting in the right forum.

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nazi meth seems to simple
Have you ever tried to breathe an evaporating cloud of anhydrous ammonia, son?

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and im pretty sure its not real meth
Great. Tell me the chemistry behind why you think that.

Which... sort of gets into the only answer there is. Now...

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so anyway, im looking for a good meth recipe that the layman can understand.
1. Go to google images.

2. Look at the molecular structure of meth.

Now ya just gotta figure out how you're going to get there. Seeing as the series of ways is infinite, giving you just one recipie would be silly without knowing which precursors are easiest for you to use.

Of course, for you to know which precursors are easiest for you to use in your situation, you'd have to know how you want to get there.

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My friend tried making this shit once. he bought 6 carton's of single strike match books from the corner store. And all he ended up with was like 1.5 grams of Red Phosphorous.
And somehow he cleaned the pseudoephedrine pills and only had 1 gram of that. And he had iodine crystals he made from some kind of horse hoov cleaner from the pharmacy.

But obviously he didn't know how to do it. He ended up with some kind of blueish powder, that wasnt meth as far as he could tell.

So lets say you do have those 3 chem's I mentioned, hmm I wonder what someone would have to do.
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So lets say you do have those 3 chem's I mentioned, hmm I wonder what someone would have to do.
Toss it in a mason jar and forget about it in your basement for a while.

Seriously. You can improve shit by warm cook, optimizing ratios, and the like, but time-under-reduction is all there is to it.

Which means...

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But obviously he didn't know how to do it.
Obviously.

If he got any pse at all into the reaction, the outcome was probably trace amounts of meth laced in a mass of unreduced pse, coupled with a large amount of what scientists call "crap."

Of course, with his chemistry knowledge, it's entirely plausible that he didn't get any pse into there, which is actually harder than the rp/i excuse for a 'synthesis.' By a good bit.

The data provided, however...

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He ended up with some kind of blueish powder, that wasnt meth as far as he could tell.
...suggests to me that he has faint trace iodine lacing in a bunch of sugar (cellulose, dextrose, lactose, w/e) which was all he pulled from the pills.

That's why we don't hand out recipies, folks. The simplest things in the world are impossible and useless without the more important parts, namely "how do I effect high purification of a compound" and "how do I figure out wtf happened when something goes different" - both of which require at least a moderate background in chemistry.

In this case, your friend did a cellulose pull on some pills, tried to esterify it with HI into a starch, and quite possibly failed. There's a bunch of other shit that can go wrong without a background in chem. The omnipresent magnesium stearate, for instance, should competitively bind your iodine and derivatives and keep it away from both the pse and the phos, for instance.

But it's funny as fuck to watch your friend try. "Iodine-laced pill starch" is a new one.
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:57 AM
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Sorry for not clarifying joe, he isn't "that" stupid to not even clean the pseudo pills before attempting his reaction. Or at least "try" to clean them. I'm not even sure how he did it but he crushed up a shitload of pills and washed them somehow in some solvent, i'm not sure how but he claimed to have about a gram of "pure" pseudoephedrine.

He also extracted the iodine beforehand. And didnt just use iodine liquid.

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You need to read extensively. My first starting point was Acidmelt's Slacker Reaction. Find it and read it until you understand every word and know what is actually happening.

Actually, Acidmelt's website would be much better suited to answer your questions and guide you along. I am retired from making, and tired of holding hands (did too much of that modding LT on &T)

Once you read enough, you will understand. Then pick the method you want to use and don't tweak it until you've had a few successes under your belt.
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It should be made perfectly clear to noobs that they will not run a successful RP/I on PSE from teh pharmacy. Pill cleaning nowadays seems complex enough that dummies won't get it. On the bright side, the birch method allows for gup-chucking, does it not? As for annie generation, a std 2-L pop bottle will hold 400mL annie at STP, thus allowing one to generate it in such a bottle. Envision this:

1 mol of NH4Cl for every 1 mol CaO in a 2-L with 50mL of dry EtOH to act as a medium for the reaction NH4 + O --> NH3 + OH. No water created, unlike the tradicional OH + NH4 --> H2O + NH3. Anywho, the EtOH, NH4Cl, and CaO are mixed in the 2L and allowed to sit for a week and a fair amount of NH3 ought to build up in a week. Shit can then be cooled with liquid propane (for the ghettoes among us) or dry ice. And we all know where one acquires Li.
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Pill cleaning nowadays seems complex enough that dummies won't get it. .
Wrong check on WD...some some new tek going
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either 2NH4Cl + CaO --> Cl2 + 2NH3 + Ca(OH)2 or

2NH4Cl + CaO --> CaCl2 + NH4OH + NH3
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Sorry for not clarifying joe, he isn't "that" stupid to not even clean the pseudo pills before attempting his reaction.
Well, yeah... I'm just guessing...

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Or at least "try" to clean them.
...that's more like it. And I'm guessing...

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I'm not even sure how he did it but he crushed up a shitload of pills and washed them somehow in some solvent, i'm not sure how
...that particular solvent is MeOH, EtOH, or iPOH. Much as I was guessing before.

It's an excellent recrystallization solvent for microcrystalline cellulose, but will still dissolve sugars cold.

Sugars, incidentally, tend to follow the formula C6H12O6, usually. Which means they're not things you want as major contaminants in reductions.

However, purplish-blue powder is almost always "some starch hit your iodine." Further chemical analysis? Would require... further chemical analysis, but from your description of product, I'm presuming the MeOH pull not followed with a/b was what happened.

RP/I isn't always dirt-friendly. At all. And "clean" means something different in chemistry than it does in barbecue cooking.

Buuuuuut... yeah. The fact that he hit his pills with an ROH pull was implied from the outcome before you told us he did an alcohol pull. Pretty close, not bad, but needed a little extra workup.

And ffs, the boy needs to learn about TLC aliquot before he starts tossing "pure" shit into a reaction.

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JP, tl;read

But i learnt something, so it was worth it.

Annie = Anhydrous Ammonia right?(trying to lern slangz so i can follow with out being all

Pure chems will always yield better/purer results. Clean glassware, equipment, etc definitely wont hurt.

And isnt there a meth thread already? Why doesnt anyone UTFSE anymore?

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If a redneck can do it, why can't you?
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If a redneck can do it, why can't you?
Because kids lack the required funds.
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hxxp://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/birch.mrclean.html

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