Making cash through western union, will it cause red flags?

[brammy1]

Let's say somebody wants to sell refurbished video game consoles and ipods through western union, the person would be going to a western union booth once a week to pick up between $500-$1,000.

Would western union alert police to the weekly money pickups and also do police check up on western union transactions periodically?

Like is there a red flag money amount that might draw suspicion? For instance I've heard if you put over $4,000 into a bank account a red flag is drawn and an investigation is done, does western union have a red flag thing too or could that person just go about picking up $500-$1,000 each week and be fine?

[SLIM]

Anything over £500/$1000 requires ID and ID is required regardles sof amount in the UK because it no longer uses the secret question and answer option.

WU agents are all over the fucking map, there's most likely 1 around the corner from the other. You can get a map of agents in your local area from their website. Go to different ones often and you'll be fine. If you're still paranoid then get a different middle man to go pick it up with his ID. Just get the money order written out to the name of your middle man who will be picking it up for you. Homeless people and broke druggies will usually do it for a cut.

WU only keep records for 14 days.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by goldfingerfuck

Just get the money order written out to the name of your middle man who will be picking it up for you. Homeless people and broke druggies will usually do it for a cut.

Sounds like this guy knows what he's talking about!!!!

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by goldfingerfuck

Homeless people and broke druggies will usually do it for a cut.

And if they get flagged the'll bring the police right to you.

[SLIM]

You fucking moron, they're not going to get flagged. It's not as if you're going to get ripped off if you wait for them while they go in, unless you're a pussy.

[brammy1]

So if that person went to different WU booths each week and collected $500-$1,000 it won't draw any attention from WU or police?

Are you sure WU only keeps 14 day records? I thought they kept records for at least a year.


So can a person collect $500-$1,000 a week without WU or Police getting suspicious or giving a shit? As in there won't be any red flags raised?

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by goldfingerfuck

You fucking moron, they're not going to get flagged. It's not as if you're going to get ripped off if you wait for them while they go in, unless you're a pussy.

Oh yes, that's a fantastic idea. Just publically and physically confront desperate, deranged people with nothing to lose for money that's adressed to them and legally theirs. You're a genius!

[SLIM]

Are you sure WU only keeps 14 day records? I thought they kept records for at least a year.

Last I heard it was 14 days. Definitely not a year.

Put it this way, it's best not to go in yourself anyway if you can avoid it.

Go to different locations where they do WU service and yes you should be fine. Don't go to the same ones and don't send the same person all the time or you will rise suspicions. I just know that if you're in the US you won't need ID if it's under a grand, you can use a secret question and answer.

Money orders are being sent out to Nigeria everyday from moneygram and WU, they know these people ar ebeing scammed, they really don't give a shit. By the time the person has realized they've been ripped off the 14 days are up (the scammer works it up with excuses to buy time) and not a lot can be done. They also get away with it easier because of the country they're in.

Jus tuse common sense and you'll be fine.

[brammy1]

Just to clarify, homeless people and drug addicts services aren't going to be used in this particular equation.

I'm still looking to see if anyone had answers about my last post about the red flag stuff.

[SLIM]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

Oh yes, that's a fantastic idea. Just publically and physically confront desperate, deranged people with nothing to lose for money that's adressed to them and legally theirs. You're a genius!

Get outta here you failtroll.

Anyway OP you can ask a friend with shity credit to do it for you if he will, if you can't or don't feel comfortable asking these people. They're only going to fuck over pussies like rabbitweed who doesn't like to get confrontational.

[SLIM]

For the last time no red flags.

[brammy1]

goldfingerfuck thanks for the advice.

So it should be all set to just go to 4 WU booths per month taking out $500 each week and it won't draw suspicions by WU or police?

I think WU wouldn't really give a fuck because in some parts of the world people make a living by collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars a year through WU from whatever business they may run.

However I'm wondering if in the U.S. if WU are obligated to alert red flags if certain amounts of money are collected each week? Or if police occasionally look at WU records from all the booths.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

Oh yes, that's a fantastic idea. Just publically and physically confront desperate, deranged people with nothing to lose for money that's adressed to them and legally theirs. You're a genius!

Just because crackheads manhandle you doesn't mean it happens to most people over the age of 12.

[Herpy Derpy]

As long as they don't see that you're doing something obviously illegal, they won't do anything. The are a bushiness, they want to make money.

[SLIM]

Yeah you should be cool doing it like that. Never use the same WU regularly, you can use it again the next month as it'll just like a normal monthly payment coming in for the business.

If you want to launder the money then check out the money laundering threads in Bad Ideas, there's some good advice on bank accounts to evade it getting taxed and laundering it through them.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by goldfingerfuck

Get outta here you failtroll.

Anyway OP you can ask a friend with shity credit to do it for you if he will, if you can't or don't feel comfortable asking these people. They're only going to fuck over pussies like rabbitweed who doesn't like to get confrontational.

Please tell me how such an encounter would pan out, if your bum/druggy/hobo-bum-druggy failed to hand over the cash.

I'm all ears.

[SLIM]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

Please tell me how such an encounter would pan out, if your bum/druggy/hobo-bum-druggy failed to hand over the cash.

I'm all ears.

If anyone needs it explaining what needs to be done if that occurs then they don't deserve their money.

It's not rocket science.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by goldfingerfuck

If anyone needs it explaining what needs to be done if that occurs then they don't deserve their money.

It's not rocket science.

No seriously, how? You just going to assault him in broad daylight, out there on the street? Anywhere where you can do western union credit transfers is going to have witnesses.

How do you know the guy is going to be weaker than you? Especially given the fact the fucker is likely crazy and has nothing to lose, where as you're there effectively mugging someone.

So please, let us all know, or just admit you don't know what you'r fucking talking about.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

no seriously, how? You just going to assault him in broad daylight, out there on the street? Anywhere where you can do western union credit transfers is going to have witnesses.

How do you know the guy is going to be weaker than you? Especially given the fact the fucker is likely crazy and has nothing to lose, where as you're there effectively mugging someone.

So please, let us all know, or just admit you don't know what you'r fucking talking about.

well, at least we know what not to do:

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

rabbitweed just had another 'adventure'.

There i was, just arrived home from my lab, at the flat. My old 'friend' brad and his 30 year old friend kevin, were in the kitchen. Brad, kevin and i share a flat together. Anyway i bring up the notes left around the place which i find annoyinng. Myself and brad had our differenes of opinion, but it was a civil convo, no yelling or swearing or anything

until kevin interjected and started swearing at me like a sailor. This took the 'debate' to a whole new level. Told me i was fucking this, and fucking that, i told him not to swear at me, a lot, and he kept doing it "i don't fucking care what you fucking think of me", getting all pissy.

I basically tell him, again calm, "maybe you should move out if you're going to be like this, i've got someone who wants your room". (he'd mentioned that was ridiculously depressed and wanted to move a few times). He said "don't fucking talk to me" (again with the charming language), so i left it at that.

My memory is hazy because of events that followed, but i was in the kitchen, i remember i had my arms up, hands on the back of my head, all relaxed (which must of infuriated him after all the swearing and intimidation.) and i was looking at kevin thinking "wtf?". He'd seen so calm before, never once seen him lose his temper. Anyway, he saw me looking at him, and obviously thought i was staring him down or something. "are you fucking giving me the evil eye?" he walks up to me, i said "no what's your problem?". He tells me to "get the fuck out of my face" (ironic as he walked towards me. I told him no, this is my flat and my kitchen too.

And then he jumps me. At first i'm not too worried/concerned, i'm even talking to him at this stage "kevin, what the fuck, calm down". Then he starts wrestling me and i basically try and throw him off me, and fail. I get him to the ground but in the process i too fell to the ground...and that was my mistake. He obviously has some sort of ground fighting background. He managed to get behind me and put me in some kind of hold...my back was to him, and he got into position so he had a 'sleeper hold' type thing across my head, and his legs around mine to limit mobility. At this stage, i'm still not too worried, i figure he's made his point, got me pinned, he'll let go.

Then, he starts saying "i'll kill you, i'll fucking kill you" and moves his arm, which was around my jaw, lower, so it's directly pressing against my wind pipe. After a while of this i start freaking a bit, couldn't really breath, and made some gasping sounds, which he heard, and proceeded to grip their more tightly. Now i start freaking the fuck out. Zoklet, i'm not afraid to say, i was scared. His grip was now so tight around my windpipe i couldn't even make a noise trying to breath, and i start thrashing about, mainly to show brad (who stood there watching for the whole second half of this) that shit was serious and i actually can't breathe. He lets go after a few seconds (seems longer when you can't breathe, but my realistic guess was it was only that).

Anyway, basically, i get up, pretty shaken, and say "what the fuck, you're fucking out of this flat!" and my first move is to grab the phone and call the police, which i do right in front of him. At this stage he's obviously feeling 'stranglers remorse'!

Anyway police come, blah blah, take him away for processing. They took me to the hospital (pretty unessicary, i was just dizzy as fuck). I black out for a bit there, they take me to see a nurse, but i start coming right, and excuse myself to the orderly, and my friend comes pick me up and i crash at his for the night.

So yeah, i got my ass handed to me for the first time in a while, and for the first time ever i was actually genuinely terrified in an assault. For those who care, i'm physically fine, just a bruised ego and a shattered faith in humanity

but you know what? I'd do it all again. No matter how many nutcases get pissy at me and strangle me, i am going to keep standing up for myself, and i am not going to be intimidated by threats or violence.

Though i think i should finally fucking get round to some martial arts classes

[Herpy Derpy]

Originally Posted by Azure

well, at least we know what not to do:

What a pointless post.

That's not even relevant.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by peu4000

What a pointless post.

That's not even relevant.

It's entirely relevant. Rabbitweed is a faggot who gets beaten up by crackheads and junkies. BI is out of his domain.

[Herpy Derpy]

Originally Posted by Azure

It's entirely relevant. Rabbitweed is a faggot who gets beaten up by crackheads and junkies. BI is out of his domain.

This deserves another , .

[SLIM]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

or just admit you don't know what you'r fucking talking about.

That's rich coming from the one asking obvious questions with obvious solutions

Even outside of PEOO you never cease to fail.

[313]

Originally Posted by brammy1

So if that person went to different WU booths each week and collected $500-$1,000 it won't draw any attention from WU or police?

Are you sure WU only keeps 14 day records? I thought they kept records for at least a year.


So can a person collect $500-$1,000 a week without WU or Police getting suspicious or giving a shit? As in there won't be any red flags raised?

you arent going to get fucking red flagged...damn.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by goldfingerfuck

That's rich coming from the one asking obvious questions with obvious solutions

Even outside of PEOO you never cease to fail.

So you admit you're 14? Cool thanks.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Azure

well, at least we know what not to do:

Because I'm sure you've never lost a fight.

Please, write up an honest account, without trying to make yourself out to be a big man, of the last fight you lost and why.

Or can you not bare to think of it?

[SLIM]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

So you admit you're 14? Cool thanks.

No I'm 12 and still smarter than you. No problem pal.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

Because I'm sure you've never lost a fight.

Please, write up an honest account, without trying to make yourself out to be a big man, of the last fight you lost and why.

Or can you not bare to think of it?

I don't "lose" fights, simple.

What if that crackhead really snapped, and he was going to kill you? Would you start fighting back then?

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't "lose" fights, simple.

lol k.

The fact that you're so desperate to make me out to be weak and make yourself out to be tough shows me you're probably not.

Really strong people don't feel an overwhelming need to prove their strength on the internet through anecdotal bragging.

You sound young, and full of pride from winning schoolyard scuffles. Here's some advice; there's always someone out there stronger than you son. These people may attack you. It happens.

[Lobo]

I work for Moneygram , which is kind of the same thing.

They would ask you for I.D. If you had I.D it wouldnt really matter.

Unless your getting 1000 dollars everyweek for lets say I dont know , MONTHS?

Western Union could always just freeze the money , but ive only seen that when sending money to the middle east.

They almost always freeze everything over 500 to the middle east.

[Azure]

Oh, you sure are good for a couple laughs Mr. Rabbit.

"Then he starts wrestling me and i basically try and throw him off me, and fail. I get him to the ground but in the process i too fell to the ground...and that was my mistake. He obviously has some sort of ground fighting background."

Obviously. /Sarcasm.

Originally Posted by rabbitweed

The fact that you're so desperate to make me out to be weak

How is that a desperate attempt? I merely copied and pasted what you've already thrown out for everyone to see.

and make yourself out to be tough shows me you're probably not.

Because clearly you know what's going on when it comes to hand to hand combat, right?

Really strong people don't feel an overwhelming need to prove their strength on the internet through anecdotal bragging.

I'm not bragging at all, simply stating a simple fact.

I notice you ignored the rest of the post. What if he had tried to kill you? Then would you start fighting back, or would you just sit there and still take it? Seriously, I'm interested.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm bragging when I make fun of guys who let other men throw them around, smash them up and choke them, and then have the gall to call other people out on what they'd do in case of a physical confrontation.

Now, obviously there are people stronger than me out there, and people who are better fighters than I am; saying anything else would be foolish. But would I let them injure me? Obviously not. I'd do whatever I had to do in order to protect myself. Clearly you come from an environment where you are babied into relying on others to take care of yourself.

[SLIM]

Originally Posted by Azure

Clearly you come from an environment where you are babied into relying on others to take care of yourself.

New Zealand

LOL.

[rabbitweed]

Originally Posted by Azure

Clearly you come from an environment where you are babied into relying on others to take care of yourself.

Not really.

This person had been completely benign for the months I lived with him. Timid even. I was quite surprised he even initiated an assault.

This was where I was living. I did not feel in danger for some time, even when he initially grappled. My main concern was for the confrontation not to escalate, and fuck up my housing situation.

You also seem to be under the impression I just went limp and let him do whatever. I did not. I wrestled with him for quite some time, but he was stronger. I definitely could've gone more on the offensive though, but like I said...I didn't consider it wise to go crazy.

Maybe you live your life ready to snap and fuck peoples shit up at the slightest provocation. I know what that's like. I have that attitude whenever I step outside, out of self-preservation.

But in my own house? Around someone who'd never even raised his voice to me ever? Around witnesses? I can't be tense as a bowstring 24/7. I figured at home I could at least relax.

Having said all that, he still would've most likely 'beat me' in a physical confrontation even if I had been aggressive and ready.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Azure

Sorry if it sounds like I'm bragging when I make fun of guys who let other men throw them around, smash them up and choke them, and then have the gall to call other people out on what they'd do in case of a physical confrontation.

There is no 'gall' in calling out someone who is so naive and ignorant that they believe intimidation and force can easily solve a problem like this. They're real life people, not some mafia thugs or hardcore biker arms dealers, dealing with other real life people that they probably don't have the ability or the experience to distinguish harmless from dangerous.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

There is no 'gall' in calling out someone who is so naive and ignorant that they believe intimidation and force can easily solve a problem like this.

When dealing with illegal activity, intimidation and force often does solve the situation. Unlike Rabbitweed's situation, calling the police if things get too live isn't exactly an option here. Honestly, it sounds like neither of you have ever been in a situation involving people who are outside of the legal loop.

They're real life people, not some mafia thugs or hardcore biker arms dealers, dealing with other real life people that they probably don't have the ability or the experience to distinguish harmless from dangerous.

In case you weren't aware, "mafia thugs" and "hardcore biker arms dealers" are real people as well. When you're involved in things like this, obviously there's an element of risk. When you choose to accept that risk, you accept the situations that can arise from it, and *should* be prepared to deal with them, in a manner befitting the circumstances, IE using violence and intimidation...being a pushover isn't an advantage in the criminal world.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Azure

When dealing with illegal activity, intimidation and force often does solve the situation. Unlike Rabbitweed's situation, calling the police if things get too live isn't exactly an option here. Honestly, it sounds like neither of you have ever been in a situation involving people who are outside of the legal loop.

I did not suggest involving the police. My suggestion would be not involving unreliable third parties in the first place, because....

In case you weren't aware, "mafia thugs" and "hardcore biker arms dealers" are real people as well.

(In case you missed my point, the most credit I'm going to extend is that -maybe- one or two of the people here qualifies as one of those. The rest of you? Yeah, right)

When you're involved in things like this, obviously there's an element of risk. When you choose to accept that risk, you accept the situations that can arise from it, and *should* be prepared to deal with them, in a manner befitting the circumstances, IE using violence and intimidation...being a pushover isn't an advantage in the criminal world.

.... because amping up a basic scam into such a complicated scenario requiring force and intimidation is ridiculous. The whole point of this thread by the OP was to conduct these trades with a minimum of attention and risk. By involving unreliable third parties, you're doing nothing of the sort.

I mean really, think about this for a second. You go and recruit some homeless dude to help you, giving him a cut. Now, either you have to babysit his ass, or he can simply walk away with your money. You also have to be willing to back up your threats of force, turning you into a giant-sized flashing neon sign for the wrong kind of attention. What is it you're thinking here? That you're going to walk him away at gunpoint and kill him somewhere else? Beat him down in public, with zero consequences because you're one bad mafiacore mothafuckah?

You keep talking about how nobody else knows what they're talking about... yet I notice that despite the prompts, you've offered nothing to suggest that you do either. You're right - I haven't gotten into those situations, and that's not because I'm a goody-goody pureheart, but because I'm smarter than that.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

I did not suggest involving the police.

I never said you did, that was more of a dig at Rabbitweed than anything. However, the point still stands; when you're involved in criminal activity, you can't run to the police/parent, etc, you have to take things into your own hands when the situation goes awry.

(In case you missed my point, the most credit I'm going to extend is that -maybe- one or two of the people here qualifies as one of those. The rest of you? Yeah, right)

I'm not speaking of the BI community- I'm in full agreement with you here, most of the people who post here(with a handful of exceptions) are 12/13 who can't properly steal a wallet out of a change-room, much less anything this complicated.

.... because amping up a basic scam into such a complicated scenario requiring force and intimidation is ridiculous.

There's nothing complicated about asking a bum to go and cash a cheque for you, or beating him up if he fails to deliver the cash...unless you're 12.

he can simply walk away with your money.

That's the point, no...he can't.

You keep talking about how nobody else knows what they're talking about...

You, and especially Rabbitweed, do not. A mere two people in this thread, hardly everybody.

yet I notice that despite the prompts, you've offered nothing to suggest that you do either.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I deleted the rest of your post, because the majority of it wasn't relevant to the conversation at all.

You're right - I haven't gotten into those situations, and that's not because I'm a goody-goody pureheart, but because I'm smarter than that.

And yet, here you are, offering advice on the topic. Wonderful.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Azure

I never said you did, that was more of a dig at Rabbitweed than anything. However, the point still stands; when you're involved in criminal activity, you can't run to the police/parent, etc, you have to take things into your own hands when the situation goes awry.

Or you can do the smart thing and not create the situation in the first place...

I'm not speaking of the BI community- I'm in full agreement with you here, most of the people who post here(with a handful of exceptions) are 12/13 who can't properly steal a wallet out of a change-room, much less anything this complicated.

So, seeing as you AGREE with me, why pretend those real people are in anyway relevant to this conversation, when the kiddies here are nothing like those people? That's exactly MY point. This is not TV, there are consequences.

There's nothing complicated about asking a bum to go and cash a cheque for you, or beating him up if he fails to deliver the cash...unless you're 12.

You seem to have a 12 y/o's naive belief that a bum is completely incapable of doing the exact same things you can do. They're homeless, not helpless.

That's the point, no...he can't.

And you're going to stop him, how? C'mon, you're presenting yourself as the expert here. This is your prompt. Explain.

You, and especially Rabbitweed, do not. A mere two people in this thread, hardly everybody.

To be concise, by "everyone" I mean everyone that disagrees with you. I have every reason to expect you'll pull the exact same crap argument if anyone else chimes in against you.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I deleted the rest of your post, because the majority of it wasn't relevant to the conversation at all.

"Please tell me how such an encounter would pan out, if your bum/druggy/hobo-bum-druggy failed to hand over the cash."

I'm talking about this. Do tell. What's stoppping him from walking away? Sheer intimidation of your manliness? Puhlease. A weapon? What's stopping him from pulling a knife as well? A gun? A reminder that you're in a public place. Consequences.

And yet, here you are, offering advice on the topic. Wonderful.

Because yeah, unless you do something stupid, you have no place advising someone else not to do it? Avoid the ridiculous comments, please.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Or you can do the smart thing and not create the situation in the first place...

That's not relevant.

The argument is over the use of violence against the homeless person, remember? It's already long been assumed that the homeless person has already been contracted to get the money, and the altercation has developed from that point.

This is not TV, there are consequences.

Indeed, there are. There are consequences for attempting to steal from a criminal.

You seem to have a 12 y/o's naive belief that a bum is completely incapable of doing the exact same things you can do. They're homeless, not helpless.

Homeless people are underfed, weakly, often sick people. Perhaps you(and Rabbitweed obviously) would have trouble fending off a 85 pound, frail heroin addict, but as I said before, most would not.

And you're going to stop him, how? C'mon, you're presenting yourself as the expert here. This is your prompt. Explain.

Fuck, I don't know; hit him? As if that's not entirely obviously.

To be concise, by "everyone" I mean everyone that disagrees with you. I have every reason to expect you'll pull the exact same crap argument if anyone else chimes in against you.

And not surprisingly, both of you are- stupidly- saying the same thing. Funny how that works out, isn't it?

What's stoppping him from walking away?

Physical presence. If he runs, you chase him. I think this has already been said, but it's not fucking rocket science; Although, it does appear to be above you.

What's stopping him from pulling a knife as well?

Nothing at all, but as I said before, that's part of the risk involved. You assume those risks when you step into the realm of the law. Can you please, please keep up, I've repeated myself several times now.

Because yeah, unless you do something stupid, you have no place advising someone else not to do it? Avoid the ridiculous comments, please.

Do you have any experience in martial arts? No? Hey, I hear Rabbitweed is looking for a new martial arts instructor, why don't you go take him up on the offer?

Let's just think about what you're saying here. Assume I have no beforehand knowledge of skydiving, would you want me to instruct you on the proper way to skydive, the do's and do not's, the equipment to use, etc? I know I sure fucking wouldn't; especially with something that could:

1- Land you in jail for quite some time
2- Land you in a morgue, permanently.

Please, stop trying to instruct people on how to be a criminal, as you're not cut out for the position.

[Enrapture]

Alright ladies, enough bickering.

Iehovah, If you are smart enough to not get into these situations, then please be smart enough to stop arguing with Azure.
If this kid wants to get killed over things he saw on T.V, then let him, It's of no loss to you.

But, back on topic: Western Union's at Gas Stations are the best for multiple money runs (albeit not in the same week or maybe even month). Most of the time, they keep records for the exact minimum and then get rid of them. (I am pretty sure that all Gas Station's don't keep paper copies anymore, but, whatever.)
And, they really don't have the time to sift through video footage at their location, which may already be gone by the time anyone is alerted.

As long as you do it sparingly and don't get greedy, you're fine.

P.S.: While using homeless people isn't a smart idea, close friends who can either bring it to you directly or mail it to you, after they've taken their cut, is always an option.