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Old 06-09-2009, 09:02 PM
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Default DIY remote electricity

By which I mean in a remote location. What would be some good ways to do this? I have a petrol generator and I'm thinking it could be good to convert it to be powered by a waterwheel, then set it up on a river. This would probably need some gearing though, is that expensive? Would it be best to have batteries as well? Anyone have other ideas? Cheapest and most DIY is the best, and subtlety is also a goal.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:04 PM
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Place a solar panel on top of your generator.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:12 PM
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Place a solar panel on top of your generator.
Would you need a lot of solar panels? I should have mentioned that enough power would be needed for small hut and perhaps a hydroponic garden to grow food.
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Old 06-10-2009, 05:01 AM
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Would you need a lot of solar panels? I should have mentioned that enough power would be needed for small hut and perhaps a hydroponic garden to grow food.
yes, "food"
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:40 AM
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yes, "food"
Who wants brownies?!?
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Old 06-10-2009, 06:05 PM
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Indeed, food. Mans gotta eat

Does anyone know how much power something like this would require?
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:53 PM
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Unfortuantely, remote mains power is not cheap. The typical setup goes: DC power source -> battery bank -> inverter -> mains thing you want to power. Since you're wanting to power ballasts for the lights I assume, you'll need a hefty inverter which can handle the inductive load of ballasts. Try to use electronic ones as they are more resistive and won't mess with you inverter's power factor.

Regardless, a 2kw inverter will run you about £300-400. Add to this the cost of a lead-acid battery bank and it's not a cheap system... I'm guessing the petrol generator you have is one of the little ones in a frame run by a little engine, like thisimg]http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50282787/WT_Series_Air_Cooled_Diesel_Generator_Set.jpg[/img]

That isn't suitable for continuous running due to the high speed of the engine and short service intervals...most require an oil change every 100-200 hours. It won't last longer than a couple of weeks non-stop running without dieing...a typical store-bought genset has a 2-pole alternator, which needs to be spun at 3000 rpm for 50hz. You also cannot remove the mains alternator from the genset and spin it with a simple water wheel without complex phase/frequency correction electronics as it needs to be turned at pretty much exactly 3000 rpm...or else it won't be 50hz output. Voltage won't waver due to the regulator modulating power to the field rotor (the spinning electromagnet inside), but the changing frequency can burn out transformers and induction motors. Note that spinning it significantly slower will mean no power at all as the energiser rotor or energising winding will not be able to supply the main rotor with juice.

If you do want to make power from the water wheel, you'll need a permanent magnet generator - like a large DC motor - or a low-speed permanent magnet alternator with many poles coupled with a recifier to convert the multiple phases to DC. People build these for wind turbines using neodymium magnets, hand-wound stator coils and buttloads of epoxy. Either of these things, once passed through voltage regulation, will be suitable to charge a battery bank. Large permanent magnet DC motors only need regulation, and can be found inside old tape drives and small electric scooters. And since it is rectified, spinning that alternator at different speeds doesn't matter.

If you don't want to splash out on an expensive inverter, the best thing to do is keep it all DC and use DC lights and stuff. Using a battery bank will give many different voltages in multiples of 12, so 24v truck stuff can be powered.


Finally...what exactly do you want to power? How many lights? What type?
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Old 06-10-2009, 10:14 PM
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Finally...what exactly do you want to power? How many lights? What type?
I'm not sure yet, only in the early stages of thinking about this. I guess maybe 500w of MH bulb for example, and some fans, pump. Is this a lot to power? Thanks for the info, I see it wouldn't be a cheap system..
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Old 06-10-2009, 10:34 PM
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I'm not sure yet, only in the early stages of thinking about this. I guess maybe 500w of MH bulb for example, and some fans, pump. Is this a lot to power? Thanks for the info, I see it wouldn't be a cheap system..
Fans and pump are neglible compared to the bulb, but to increase efficiency it's a good idea to use DC fan/pumps operated straight off the battery bank and not losing energy through the inverter.

If you want to use a metal halide bulb, get a HID headlight from a car as it has a 12v ballast. Modify the housing to your requirements as the lens probably won't be great for growing...too intense. It's a lot cheaper and more efficient than buying an inverter to put out 240v then plugging in a ballast to take it up to the 5kv or so for starting. Much simpler to go DC -> ballast rather than DC -> inverter -> ballast too.

Fans will be well under an amp each if you use high-powered brushless computer fans. I'm not sure what sort of volume of water you're looking on moving, but caravan drinking water pumps might be good for this. Both of those things are fairly cheap too. (note that windscreen squirter pumps are not made to run more than a few minutes and will burn out).
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Old 06-13-2009, 07:15 PM
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This will get really expensive really fast.

If you can get a battery system set up using golf cart batteries, possibly used ones, you might be good... but 500w is a lot of power. See if you can find/make cheaper lighting ie LEDs... or get more batteries and more energy input.

For input... you might want to look into a wind generator and/or solar. Wind tends to be cheaper start up... but that depends on what wind conditions are present at your location. Hell, if you are going to spend a lot of time there, and you make your lighting system much more efficient you could even use a generator bike and get a work out at the same time.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:14 PM
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Here's an idea that uses your generator but would probably be easier to build than a water wheel. Make a pulley system that uses weights to keep moving. I guess the easiest way would be one pulley up in a tree and one on the ground, and a crank to pull the weight back up when it reaches the ground.

When it comes to the parts you would use, bicycles come to mind. The wheels, hubs, gears and chains, pedals and brakes(if you need resistance to slow it down) would all prove to be handy.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:07 PM
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Here's an idea that uses your generator but would probably be easier to build than a water wheel. Make a pulley system that uses weights to keep moving. I guess the easiest way would be one pulley up in a tree and one on the ground, and a crank to pull the weight back up when it reaches the ground.

When it comes to the parts you would use, bicycles come to mind. The wheels, hubs, gears and chains, pedals and brakes(if you need resistance to slow it down) would all prove to be handy.
Not reasonably possible I'm afraid. A good idea for low-powered stuff though.

Throwing some numbers around, assuming zero drivetrain losses and a 100% efficient generator - which is impossible - gives this:

Take a weight of 1 metric ton/1000kg (a weight within reason to be raised slowly by a hand winch), lifted 2 metres off the ground. This has 19,600 joules of potential energy. Since 1 watt is 1 joule per second, this weight could power a 1 watt light bulb for 19,600 seconds or about 5 1/2 hours. If you were wanting to power a 100 watt bulb, it would last a grand total of 196 seconds...or just under 3 1/2 minutes.


Taking it a bit further and assuming rather optimistically that 50% of the gravitational potential energy is converted into electrical energy, it would only be able to power that bulb for just over 1 1/2 minutes. Not really very useful I'm afraid...

To power that 100 watt bulb for an hour (still assuming 100% efficiency), you'd need to lift that 1 ton weight about 37 metres in the air.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:01 PM
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Lol holy shit. If I ever try something ridiculous like that I'll be sure to ask totse first so someone like that guy can tell me it won't work before I waste my time.

edit: oh right this isn't totse anymore
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