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Old 06-16-2009, 05:36 AM
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Default Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

I've heard a number of arguments either side about SSD been faster disk access, less battery drain but more likely to slow down in the future. The Serial-ATA has more portability issues, slower access, but larger capacity. I can't make up my mind which one would be better for a netbook.

I don't need capacity as I'd be happy with 32Gb for this system. But I don't want to pay extra for the SSD to have the disk access slow to a crawl by the end of the year due to fragmentation. Is this a real issue or just FUD...
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Old 06-16-2009, 06:58 AM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Its a real issue. A lot of the cheaper SSDs around use the Jmicron controller that has the fragmentation issue and small random read slowdown. There are SSDs with new controllers that fix the errors, but are typically more expensive. If you got money burnin a hole in your pocket, go for it - the newest Intel SSDs are quite nice.

If you want to go the cheaper route, just get a 5400rpm single platter HDD if you're worried about battery life and durability, the newer perpendicular recording density can make up for slower spindle speed. The Seagate Momentus 72/5400.6 series drives can take 1000Gs of non-operating shock, so unless youre really tossing it around it will be fine.
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Old 06-16-2009, 07:02 AM
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Be careful with sensitive data on SSDs, if you aren't using full disk encryption. Google wear leveling + data remanence to see what I mean.

I'd go with a standard drive at the moment.
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Old 06-16-2009, 07:09 AM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Fragmentation is only an issue if use windows. I think even newer windows no longer have that issue anymore (at least that's what trueborn said, but we all know he's a fan boy.)

Try and find an OS that doesn't fragment, that will help. Also maybe one that can load all your programs and libraries to ram, and keep your files on disk, so less writes.
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Old 06-16-2009, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

I don't know about you, but I'd fill 32gb with 4 movies........
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

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I don't know about you, but I'd fill 32gb with 4 movies........
That is just you. Have you heard of divx?
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:23 AM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

SSDs without the JMicron controller are not as susceptible to the performance dip (OCZ sells an Indilinx-based model, the Vertex). Also, the Intel SSDs (X25M, etc) have gotten a firmware update that decreases performance slightly but partially solves the problem. The performance will decrease over time from the drive being brand-new, eventually evening out.

A real solution is coming in the form of the TRIM command. ( http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sho...px?i=3531&p=10 ) This will allow deletion of a page to take place during the delete action, not later on when the page needs to be re-written (which is what causes the performance dip). Windows 7 will support the TRIM command, as will the Linux kernel when the specifications for TRIM are completed and published.

The only SSDs worth buying at this point are Intel's offerings (X25M, etc), IMHO.
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Simple plan:

SSD + Windows 7 + (backed up data on portable drive) == Win. (Performance/Expensive)

SATA HDD + Windows 7 = Okay. (Reliable/Extended Storage)
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:21 AM
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That is just you. Have you heard of divx?
Yeah well I like 1080p movies so I just download them as they are from warez-bb

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Old 06-17-2009, 11:31 AM
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That is just you. Have you heard of divx?
Real men use proper H264-MPEG4.
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Is anyone not confused by his question of
Sata or an SSD...

Many SSD's (all consumer ones) use fucking Sata. What is the guys question?

Does he mean SSD or conventional HD?

It makes no fucking sense, it just makes me angry.
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Serial-ata as in a hdd, i believe.....

Just use a normal hdd until SSD's are good enough and reliable/worth the money.
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Old 06-17-2009, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Plater drives have been used for years, there is really nothing wrong with them, so why bother spending a fuckload of cash for ssd's.
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: Serial-ATA or Solid State Drive in custom Netbook...

Cheers guys, I've got to do some more research on this then. I'm only planning on keeping this one for a max of 2 years anyway so I guess the additional investment in SSD is not going to be much of a benefit. Thanks for all your help...
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