Survival of the fittest

[Death Snuggle]

I've been thinking about this for a long time. I'm fairly sure that mental illness is the child of the human race becoming soft and thinking all forms of life have the right to live. Civilization and government are the biggest pandemics we've ever seen and will ever see. They are essentially the beginning of our end by allowing bad genes to pollute the gene pool multiple times over. The worst part is that we let them live just to suffer. That seem quite sadistic and malicious to me. They brought about AIDS and the plague which has killed millions. They've brought us war making us a part of a fight greater than our and our offsprings' survival.

The more I think about the way the world works, the more I realize it's a giant play designed for suffering and death than survival like it originally was. I honestly think everyone with a medical problem that would naturally kill them should be dead, myself included. Fuck, I'll guarantee NONE of us should actually exist right now because of the genetics used to breed us. I can understand wanting to advance and help, but I think too many people tried too hard to help and now we're suffering because we've become a soft and self destructive species.

[AtrainV]

Because we didn't suffer when we were fighting for our own survival? I'm sorry, but the human condition hasn't changed merely because we've found ways to make survival easier. Furthermore, what evidence do you have to prove that mental illness is more prevalent now than it was ages ago?

If all you want to do is rant, that's fine, but this seems like a pretty shallow opinion.

[Centipede2]

Just to e-stalk you. You can't rationalize your suicide based on this. It's faulty because you still have the ability to work with your genes and make yourself happy.

[Death Snuggle]

Originally Posted by AtrainV

Because we didn't suffer when we were fighting for our own survival? I'm sorry, but the human condition hasn't changed merely because we've found ways to make survival easier. Furthermore, what evidence do you have to prove that mental illness is more prevalent now than it was ages ago?

If all you want to do is rant, that's fine, but this seems like a pretty shallow opinion.

Actually, I'm not strictly basing this off of the mental illness perspective. I'm basing it off of genetic disorders and hiccups in the code as well which do include some mental illnesses but also includes a whole slew of torturous and physically handicapping illnesses. My brother has MDD which I've seen turn him from a normal kid to a 17 y/o who is in a wheelchair, has to be fed, bathed, and has to have someone help him go to the bathroom. I love my brother, but this is a sick joke of a life he leads.

I'm saying that half the disorder of mental illness such as OCD are based on discoveries we've made because of society. How can you freak about germs if you don't know they exist? How are you going to scrub your cave clean with cleaning supplies that don't exist because it's too dirty for you? Who the fuck cares if you're bipolar or kill people to survive if everyone else is in the same boat? Drug abuse has arisen from society as has STDs and the decay of our planet. Drugs in the natural state were used to help people and were considered a great gift, but now they've been refined and discovered which have also drawn masses of people with mental illnesses which usually worsen their condition.

It's not shallow by far just not common or popular. You can't tell me the world is better off with crack whores and junkies wasting away from chemicals they should've never known existed.

I can rambling on and about this but I think this is a good place to wait for a response.


lol, cetepede1
I got over suicide a long time ago, but why would a cave man kill himself when all he thinks about is survival and mating? This is a whole different tangent. I was talking about a tumor in my sinus cavity that would bleed out for hours at a time. I should be dead, but I got my face ripped open and my skull cut in 2 just to have permanent nerve damage and metal permanently infuse to my skull.

[mxs]

who gives a fuck, you'll be dead before it even gets bad enough to wipe out a species

/thread

[AtrainV]

Even if you're not only discussing mental disorders, what proof do you have that these "hiccups in the code" didn't exist back when we were fighting for our survival with stone tools?

Your main argument is that we've become "soft" because of civilization and technological advancement. Okay, sure, I can buy that. There are people who are living now who would not be "way back when." However, when you try and put a qualifier on it by saying that we were better off without these things, it becomes an asinine argument. We're still struggling now, and we're still suffering, it just becomes an altogether different kind of struggle or suffering. Yes, we have crack whores and AIDS now, but we had animal predators and deadly influenza before.

I'm just saying that some peoples' lives are going to be shitty no matter what. Humanity's strongest advantage has always been adaptability. We're better able to deal with those older obstacles because we've adapted and found ways to overcome them. When new obstacles present themselves, we try and find ways to overcome them. The struggle for survival is still basically the same, it's just a different game.

[Resign the King]

I enjoy the comforts of civilization, I would much prefer this to a life on the edge like those lived by wild animals.

I would be willing to bet that drug addiction has existed since man discovered how to ferment wine and scrape opium poppies. Also I would imagine mental illness has existed for as long as man as well, in recent days we view it as a medical problem, perhaps those viewed as demon possessed or as witches in the past were mentally ill.

It doesn't matter if we protect those with handicaps and illnesses, since a lot of them are less likely to reproduce anyway, either being physically unattractive, physically unable to reproduce, or dying before they get the chance.

Plus what's the worst that could happen? We become extinct. Okay so what? Life goes on. But more likely civilization will eventually fall, that's the point at which we would evolve. Those who are weak would die, the human population would drop rapidly, humans would be split back into smaller groups, and those groups separated from one another would develop over time into separate species. I believe it's called punctuated equilibria. Species go through long periods of stability (like the one we're in now) and then go through rapid speciation when small groups are cut off from the whole.

[Nameraca]

Originally Posted by AtrainV

Even if you're not only discussing mental disorders, what proof do you have that these "hiccups in the code" didn't exist back when we were fighting for our survival with stone tools?

Using technology made us less likely to use our bodies, therefore they've evolved to follow the use of technological tools.
We do are physically weaker than our ancestors.

Also, eventually....

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by Death Snuggle

I'm saying that half the disorder of mental illness such as OCD are based on discoveries we've made because of society. How can you freak about germs if you don't know they exist? How are you going to scrub your cave clean with cleaning supplies that don't exist because it's too dirty for you?

For the record, OCD is A LOT more than a fear of germs. it's a series of ANY obsessive behaviors, some as odd as having to touch things a certain number of times, ranging to have to check to make sure you turned off the lights multiple times. It's by no means arisen just because we know there are germs now. Some people are obsessive about cleaning yes, but lots of the other obsessive behaviors are those that could've been executed by more primitive people. Half the behaviors are obsessive without reasonable cause, so the disorder easily could've been around long before we discovered germs and cleaning products.

Just thought I'd mention that...

[Death Snuggle]

Originally Posted by AtrainV

Even if you're not only discussing mental disorders, what proof do you have that these "hiccups in the code" didn't exist back when we were fighting for our survival with stone tools?

Your main argument is that we've become "soft" because of civilization and technological advancement. Okay, sure, I can buy that. There are people who are living now who would not be "way back when." However, when you try and put a qualifier on it by saying that we were better off without these things, it becomes an asinine argument. We're still struggling now, and we're still suffering, it just becomes an altogether different kind of struggle or suffering. Yes, we have crack whores and AIDS now, but we had animal predators and deadly influenza before.

I'm just saying that some peoples' lives are going to be shitty no matter what. Humanity's strongest advantage has always been adaptability. We're better able to deal with those older obstacles because we've adapted and found ways to overcome them. When new obstacles present themselves, we try and find ways to overcome them. The struggle for survival is still basically the same, it's just a different game.

I'm telling you that those hiccups in the code were either beneficial and we breed them on or the genetic line would eventually die. If you didn't notice, influenza came from the grouping of people in a close knit society as well. As for the animal predators, that's just nature. You're a predator too. Nothing goes unchecked in nature.

I see what you're saying and yes, someone's life is always going to be shit but at least they had a fighting chance. This may seem quite cold on my part, if my brother were living in such a time and when he could no longer walk we would either kill him swiftly or he would die fairly quickly. It would be the same in my case as well. I would gush blood from a benign tumor for hours. I literally filled multiple towels with blood. That should have been my end. It's just thinning the heard for better genetics which is what all this is based on which ironically clashes with our current evolutionary path.

As for survival, it is still the same basic concept. This time however, it's like we drank an unknown concentration of potassium cyanide and are playing Russian roulette with a hairpin trigger.

Basically, we poisoned our genetics to make us weak and now we have weapons of mass destruction that could end existence and the world in an instant.

Originally Posted by Namaste

For the record, OCD is A LOT more than a fear of germs. it's a series of ANY obsessive behaviors, some as odd as having to touch things a certain number of times, ranging to have to check to make sure you turned off the lights multiple times. It's by no means arisen just because we know there are germs now. Some people are obsessive about cleaning yes, but lots of the other obsessive behaviors are those that could've been executed by more primitive people. Half the behaviors are obsessive without reasonable cause, so the disorder easily could've been around long before we discovered germs and cleaning products.

Just thought I'd mention that...

I know, I just didn't want to max a post or two out touching on all the stray ends. I actually know quite a bit about it which has helped me devise such an opinion. If you're so caught up in doing something multiple times or afraid of leaving a safety zone, a predator could easily kill you and stop any more of your genetics being passed.

I'm just saying that society has influenced our range of disorders because of the knowledge we did obtain from it as well as letting everyone they could help survive. This also leads back into the length of our lives. We've had a lot of diseases show up in the elderly as well as all the obesity epidemic in the states. If you were that old, you would not survive long especially with dementia or Alzheimer. The same thing goes for the obese. If weighed anything over 300lbs, really you're fucked every which way but you probably wouldn't be as fat because we're spoiled to death now, literally.

I'm just saying that humans weren't meant to live like this. We chose to and now we're paying for it. I am a bit regretful that I won't live to see these institutions dissolved and humans living naturally.

[el drewto]

Let me guess, your genes are the salvation of the human race?

[Emulated_Reality]

Originally Posted by Death Snuggle

I'm just saying that humans weren't meant to live like this. We chose to and now we're paying for it. I am a bit regretful that I won't live to see these institutions dissolved and humans living naturally.

I have to agree with what AtrainV is saying, the big problems are not new, simply different. And who is to say that we choose this path? Maybe this is just where evolution has lead us, maybe now we are stuck waiting for the ability to evolve further.

It comes down to a question of what you would do to solve the problems: 1)kill the weak?, 2) destroy technology and civilization to return to the stone age?, 3) any other idea... doesn't matter because its not going to happen. Even if we had an answer that changed the situation, there would always be problems. The problems would simply change with the times.

[bigfoot]

Originally Posted by Death Snuggle

I'm just saying that humans weren't meant to live like this. We chose to and now we're paying for it. I am a bit regretful that I won't live to see these institutions dissolved and humans living naturally.

if you have a spare ten minutes check out the continuum concept by jean liedloff
www.continuum-concept.org

when we are born we are hard wired to expect to be held for the first six months, think about how weak we are when born compared to other animals. without this initial care and nurturing we are left with a "hole" in our lives.

studies on romanian orphans who have spent a long time alone show massively low seretonin levels.

we can live naturally and in harmony with nature, that time will come, why dont you work towards that i.e. become a menace to the worst offenders the big polluters or be a tree hugger and live in a treehouse for a while.

[Resign the King]

Originally Posted by Death Snuggle

I'm just saying that humans weren't meant to live like this. We chose to and now we're paying for it. I am a bit regretful that I won't live to see these institutions dissolved and humans living naturally.

Why do you think we were meant to live in some specific way other than it is now? We are living this way, this is the path evolution has taken us, we developed high intelligence, and because of that culture and civilization and now we can live longer and in ease, this is our evolutionary path, if there is a way things are supposed to be, this is it, because this is the way it is.

Plus there is the possibility that by creating a safer environment, we are protecting those with good genes from random events which would in the past wipe them out. Natural selection simply means those with more advantageous traits are more likely to survive. It doesn't mean that everyone that dies is unfit, there are also random events which can kill people who are perfectly fit for survival. The safer we make society, the more likely those people will survive as well.

[Death Snuggle]

Originally Posted by el drewto

Let me guess, your genes are the salvation of the human race?

I already stated I should've been taken care of 5 years ago when my tumor was bleeding unchecked.

Originally Posted by Emulated_Reality

I have to agree with what AtrainV is saying, the big problems are not new, simply different. And who is to say that we choose this path? Maybe this is just where evolution has lead us, maybe now we are stuck waiting for the ability to evolve further.

It comes down to a question of what you would do to solve the problems: 1)kill the weak?, 2) destroy technology and civilization to return to the stone age?, 3) any other idea... doesn't matter because its not going to happen. Even if we had an answer that changed the situation, there would always be problems. The problems would simply change with the times.

I see it as we chose to evolve as such because our interpretation of how we've adapted. I'm not saying this is the answer now. I'm stating the fact our ancestors were too helpful for their own damn good and now we have to make a lot of progress in order to continue the survival of this race.

I'm really just trying to point out a different way in such a fucked up time. It seems to me humanity is so caught up with things that don't really matter, that we forgot what it was to be human. I don't see all these designer fashions, stuffing trans fats down your throat, and exercising to keep thin as relevant to our existence.

I hate humanity for what it defines. All we do is exploit, ignore, and make it out that we are always right because we dominate. Then we expect it to work how we want it to. Well, humanity is so far gone that something need to happen soon(next few hundred years) or we're not going to survive.

Originally Posted by bigfoot

if you have a spare ten minutes check out the continuum concept by jean liedloff
www.continuum-concept.org

when we are born we are hard wired to expect to be held for the first six months, think about how weak we are when born compared to other animals. without this initial care and nurturing we are left with a "hole" in our lives.

studies on romanian orphans who have spent a long time alone show massively low seretonin levels.

we can live naturally and in harmony with nature, that time will come, why dont you work towards that i.e. become a menace to the worst offenders the big polluters or be a tree hugger and live in a treehouse for a while.

Interesting, I've also seen how infants will die without human contact.

As for the other part, I have to make a living before I can go out and be free.

The real point of this is to tell everyone that humanity has started to die. Not only have we fucked up the world and our own genetics, we are over populating and obesity is rising. We are becoming worthless and exploitative to the point of where we might not have a future to look forward to due to ignoring the truth staring us in the face. The sad thing is we aren't going to change because we chose what controls the world - money. Our leaders and most people can't even try to see past it. We're damned in so many ways. I really do not see any hope unless some big happens which with humanity's track record I highly doubt.

[Death Snuggle]

Originally Posted by Resign the king

Why do you think we were meant to live in some specific way other than it is now? We are living this way, this is the path evolution has taken us, we developed high intelligence, and because of that culture and civilization and now we can live longer and in ease, this is our evolutionary path, if there is a way things are supposed to be, this is it, because this is the way it is.

Plus there is the possibility that by creating a safer environment, we are protecting those with good genes from random events which would in the past wipe them out. Natural selection simply means those with more advantageous traits are more likely to survive. It doesn't mean that everyone that dies is unfit, there are also random events which can kill people who are perfectly fit for survival. The safer we make society, the more likely those people will survive as well.

You do have some very valid points, but when you start talking about those fit for survival, how long is it going to take before there aren't any anymore? Will be be able to make society safe? I think not. Like I've previously stated, society is self destructing. The pop culture and drugs are continuously damaging with murder and addiction as well as a slew of others.

The point is nothing is truly safe and all of our genetics are eventually going to be damaged beyond repair. You can have positive evolution from stock that is all damaged.

As for survival, nature keeps us in check along with every other animal. Our populous is just too large and now every other animal is suffering greatly. We are lazy and damaging our environment.

I am really quite surprised no one else see humanity like this.

[Emulated_Reality]

Originally Posted by Death Snuggle

I hate humanity for what it defines. All we do is exploit, ignore, and make it out that we are always right because we dominate. Then we expect it to work how we want it to. Well, humanity is so far gone that something need to happen soon(next few hundred years) or we're not going to survive.

The real point of this is to tell everyone that humanity has started to die. Not only have we fucked up the world and our own genetics, we are over populating and obesity is rising. We are becoming worthless and exploitative to the point of where we might not have a future to look forward to due to ignoring the truth staring us in the face. The sad thing is we aren't going to change because we chose what controls the world - money. Our leaders and most people can't even try to see past it. We're damned in so many ways. I really do not see any hope unless some big happens which with humanity's track record I highly doubt.

This is actually called imperialism/capitalism not humanity. Don't lose hope in us