The govt wants you addicted

[DeadLegend]

Ok. I have a very viable question that really needs to be answered here. Some may call it a conspiracy theory, but i think there are to many hard core FACTS for it to be called that.

As some of you may know, i used to be an opiate addict. Oxycontin, vicodin, heroin, you name it, i took it.

But anyways, you always here the govt talking about how addiction is such a problem with prescription opiates these days and how they dont know how to stop it and blah blah blah.

As any hard core opiate user knows, they have meds out on the market that are virtually abuse proof. I dont know the names of the companies that make these, but i know for a FACT there out there. If you try to snort em, they get gunked up in your nose, like theres some kinda glue in them or something, and if you try to melt em down, they just goo up. Im sure some of you on here know the ones that im talking about.

The point is, that these meds effectively stop too much from gettinginto your system at one time, therefore stopping you from getting high.

Now, this is where the "conspiracy" theory part starts.

As we all know, the government and the medical industry are so intertwined its disgusting. Weve all heard of the things like "the cure for so and so disease" meds that the govt wont put out on the market, cause the pharm companies would lose so much money cause people wouldnt need there meds anymore.

So what im getting at, is that if you couldnt get high off oxy anymore, then people would stop bothering getting it from there doc, and profit for the pharm companies would drop off IMMENSLY.
Did you know that vicodin is the number one prescribed pill in america? And if addicts couldnt get high off of them, i GUARANTEE that wouldnt be the case anymore.

But the govt and the health care industry is so intertwined, that the govt AND the health care industry would BOTH lose out on a SHITLOAD of money. So they continue to allow the abuseable ones on the market. If they really cared so much about people getting addicted, why would they not take the abuseable ones off the market?

If they ordered that all pain killer companies put whatever it is that makes them gummy like that in there products, people wouldnt be able to get high off of them, so no more prescription pain killer addicts. But that also means major financial loss for govt and pharm companies.

So basically what im saying, is that we could END prescription pain killer abuse TODAY. We have the pills that are abuse proof, work just as well for pain, but the govt would lose a dickload of money, so they continue to let people abuse the other meds.

In the end, even if you dont believe this, ask yourself this question:

If they have the ability to make them abuse proof, why wouldnt they make them all abuse proof? Why still leave abuseable ones on the market for people to get hooked on?

[Mirana]

Fuck medication. Smoke weed, take a trip here and there..what more do you really want.

[Lord hang man]

No body warned you about those hard drugs affecting your body negatively? Malpractise.

Probably not the case tho. You were supposed to take the specified ammount of each drug. If you still hurt after you pop painkillers, you have a choice to deal with it and stay safe, or take more drugs and become addicted. It's one thing you actually can't blame the government for, until Vicodin's pumped into all our drinking water and causes all reservoirs to become state owned capital. Those fucks can take your freedom, and they can take your pride. But they still can't force to to ingest anything you don't feel right about taking.

[ComradeAsh]

Power overwhelming

[HTS]

Pills that gunk up can still be... EATEN! Just because you can't IV it doesn't mean you can't get addicted.

[Rizzo in a box]

Addiction is another form of control.

[Lysergic Rain]

Proof the government just wants money and doesn't have a fuck about your health: Cigarettes

[dedraic]

^That is ridiculously true. I'm typing this with a smoke in hand though, so I can't bitch too much I guess.

Nothing is abuse proof though. Those pills that gel if you try to snort or shoot them... you can fucking eat them. If one doesn't get you high, you can eat more. Enough opiates in your blood = you're high.

What's more, anyone with even a half-assed knowledge of chemistry and the internet can make their shit ready to abuse however they choose again. If the government really wanted people to abuse opiates, they'd make them legal.

On the other hand, I agree that pharmaceutical empires and the government are way too closely tied for comfort, and there's likely some shady back-alley shit going on, but ask anyone who's had to jump through hoops for years to get the pain medication they NEED and they'll probably laugh in your face.

Stimulant type medications are likely where the real shit is going on, I know a girl under fourteen who's been on 60mg of amphetamine a day for at least a couple years, and was on Ritalin before that.

[DeadLegend]

Pills that gunk up can still be... EATEN

They dont get you high when you eat them either, plus, eating them isnt the preffered method of ingestion for most addicts.

But believe me, ive tried every way to get high off of these, and none work.

I mean, lets say tat if you were to eat one, the way there time release mechanism works, it realeases 15mg an hour, and its not possible to bypass there delayed release mechanism (lets say its a 40 mg pill, 20 bucks a pop)
Lets say it takes 40 mgs all at once to get me high.
3 pills eaten would result in 45 mgs released an hour, so you would get high off that, but it would also mean that a high that used to cost me 20 bucks each time, now costs me 60 each time.

so you are correct then, in saying eating enough of them will get you high, but most people wouldnt have that kinda money to support that kind of addiction.

[DeadLegend]

No body warned you about those hard drugs affecting your body negatively? Malpractise.

Probably not the case tho. You were supposed to take the specified ammount of each drug. If you still hurt after you pop painkillers, you have a choice to deal with it and stay safe, or take more drugs and become addicted. It's one thing you actually can't blame the government for, until Vicodin's pumped into all our drinking water and causes all reservoirs to become state owned capital. Those fucks can take your freedom, and they can take your pride. But they still can't force to to ingest anything you don't feel right about taking

You miss the point. This isnt talking about people with legit pain, im talking about addicts that are already addicted.

All they have to do is order that this one ingredient (that i have no clue what it is) into all the painkillers, and they become abuse proof.

Like imagine if tomorrow the govt ordered that all ciggarrettes be made nicotine free.

People would stop being addicted to them, stop smoking, and the big tobacco, and govt, would lose a DICKLOAD of cash from that.

Its the same way with saying that if tomoroow, all opiates were abuse proof, addicts would stop purchasing them, and the pharm companies, and the govt, would lose immense amounts of cash.

The point is, they have the technology to make them abuse proof, and they dont. Why not? Because they make a shitload of money on addicts gettnig them from doctors.

People with legitimate pain issues would still be able to use them for there pain, you just wouldnt be able to get high off them

[bigfoot]

i dont believe that its the government in control, don't think they have been in control since at least the 50's in the western world anyway. its companies that control us. not the government.

also there are no cures to any disease, please name one (the disease and the cure)

companies are in the business of making money, the method you have outlined seems best practise for the shareholders, so what if some people suffer?

that has nothing to do with making money.

[wmt9]

Non addicting pain killers as strong as opiates? I think some one is a in a bit of a dream world.

[i<3Shrooms]

Also keep in mind that it costs more money to make the drugs "abuse-proof" than it would if they just threw some binders in and pressed.

[Really Awesome Nickname]

Originally Posted by ComradeAsh

Power overwhelming

Destroy.

[DeadLegend]

also there are no cures to any disease, please name one (the disease and the cure)

youve got to be fucking kidding me? You mean, no cures to ANY diseases EVER? Or cures that there withholding?

Non addicting pain killers as strong as opiates? I think some one is a in a bit of a dream world.

I love it when people with no experience in a subject tht i have shitloads of experience in try to tell me how it is

has nothing to do with making money.

EVERYTHING in buisness and govt has to do with money. THEY REVOVLVE around money.




I believe, in short, that they dont do this, cause theyd lose a shit ton of money, plain and simple.

[wmt9]

I've never heard of a non addicting pain killer, nearly close to as strong as opiates, not to mention if it was stronger than opiates it would be addictive to someone in constant pain, no matter how "non addicting " it is supposed to be.

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by robyextreme

Fuck medication. Smoke weed, take a trip here and there..what more do you really want.

Yeah fuck pills. That shits no good.

[L33tz]

Trail of Lies - JMT

"I’m gonna try to tell you how they get you in another way
they tell you that there’s something wrong with you, you need they drugs
but there ain’t nothing fucking wrong with you, they being thugs
they sell drugs and commercials at the same time
lock a motherfucker up for the same crime"

[L33tz]

Originally Posted by 60051

No body warned you about those hard drugs affecting your body negatively? Malpractise.

Probably not the case tho. You were supposed to take the specified ammount of each drug. If you still hurt after you pop painkillers, you have a choice to deal with it and stay safe, or take more drugs and become addicted. It's one thing you actually can't blame the government for, until Vicodin's pumped into all our drinking water and causes all reservoirs to become state owned capital. Those fucks can take your freedom, and they can take your pride. But they still can't force to to ingest anything you don't feel right about taking.

They pump sodium flouride.... not that far of a jump.

[Lord hang man]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

You miss the point. This isnt talking about people with legit pain, im talking about addicts that are already addicted.

All they have to do is order that this one ingredient (that i have no clue what it is) into all the painkillers, and they become abuse proof.

Like imagine if tomorrow the govt ordered that all ciggarrettes be made nicotine free.

People would stop being addicted to them, stop smoking, and the big tobacco, and govt, would lose a DICKLOAD of cash from that.

Its the same way with saying that if tomoroow, all opiates were abuse proof, addicts would stop purchasing them, and the pharm companies, and the govt, would lose immense amounts of cash.

The point is, they have the technology to make them abuse proof, and they dont. Why not? Because they make a shitload of money on addicts gettnig them from doctors.

People with legitimate pain issues would still be able to use them for there pain, you just wouldnt be able to get high off them

Maybe. All's I am saying is you shouldn't go around blaming your problems on other people. Yea sure you're addicted to painkillers. Just like a country is addicted to war, a preacher is addicted to forgiveness, and a child is addicted to candy. It's still personal choice to use any of those drugs, and even more so to start smoking. Abuse proof would mean the establishment isnt getting high, elected officials have very high rates of prescription substance abuse (Bush was actually addicted to cocaine and an alcoholic, and he still was elected!). It's kind of a lot of pressure to help run a country, if you hadn't noticed we are usually under constant threat of utter decimation by the faceless mongol hordes of the sand. I say let em get high so they don't slip up and blow said sands into even smaller little chunks, that we'll have to rename to something else, should we not perish.

[supperrfreek]

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...rpc=22&sp=true

Universal healthcare is a power play. The government will be little more than a drug dealer controlling who gets their prozac and who doesn't. It will be like Huxley's Brave New World: they're taking the steps now as more and more people are put on some form of drugs.

[Lord hang man]

Would you really mind if international treaties were arranged to allow the lowest GDP countries growing rights to hemp/cannabis which then would be cheaply distributed world wide? Oh, but I heard somewhere that people are greedy or something.

Seriously, hunger solved.




I'll admit I am slightly emotionally dependent on consuming hash and weed products. But I could have made many worse choices than this. Like, for real man you can not actually tell me any drugs are ever forced upon adults who don't meet DSM-IV requirements. The fact is, these drugs are used to placate the masses, not to keep America the Beautiful addicted to any sort of drug. It's money man. It was always money.

Antidepressant use doubles in U.S., study finds

And I'm sure the hippy's are thankful. Man.

[KamelRed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZbBe...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnbkP8Bxar4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7P4iFg048k

[Modern Life is Rubbish]

Has no-one here thought that perhaps the anti-addiction chemical reacts badly with vicodin, and therefore cannot be put in it?

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by super7am

Has no-one here thought that perhaps the anti-addiction chemical reacts badly with vicodin, and therefore cannot be put in it?

What "anti-addiction chemical" would this be?

As for making abuse proof pills, that's pretty much impossible. Even if it gels up when you try to snort it or whatever this doesn't stop you crushing it up and parachuting it, plugging it, or extracting the goodies and using a needle. Or just eat a bunch of them

[DeadLegend]

Has no-one here thought that perhaps the anti-addiction chemical reacts badly with vicodin, and therefore cannot be put in it

AS far as i can tell, from personal experience, its not really a chemical that they put in to negatively react or anything, it like they put a dry glue in it, and when you try to snort it, it gets moisturized and gunks up, clinging to the insied of your nose, and everything else it touches too. Making so the rush of drugs is unable to happen.

You can usually tell these kinds cause when you try to lick the coating off, lets say an OC, it tastes slimey, and then when you break it up, it cakes up rather than becoming a powder.

Im just speaking from personal experience about these drugs. Ive experience this "abuse proof" phenomena with oxies and morphine, and im guessing they could put them into other meds if they really wanted to.

[smitty]

why don't you find out what agent they actually use? that may help answer why it isn't used in other medications.

[DeadLegend]

its wierd, but there really isnt much about these things on the internet, other than topics about the government trying to discredit the idea of abuse proof meds.

Funny that the government is trying to discredit the idea of them rather than get behind the pharm companies in the idea huh?

[DeadLegend]

Just to give you guys an idea, this is one of the pills that has this glue type shit it in:



Noticed it says 30 mg extended release. There are other opiates that have an "extended" release coating, but they can be easily licked off, but i think that these ones acyually puth them IN the pill, rather than just around it.

Heres a link to the site if you wanna check it out:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1

[nutsack]

All you have to do to defeat the time release is break the pill up. It will only glue up if you try to put it up your nose, this isn't the only way to take them

I guess it's not financially worth it to add this gelling shit to every pill when it doesn't even really stop abuse. It certainly doesn't stop addiction, you can get addicted just by eating the prescribed dose for long enough.

[DeadLegend]

All you have to do to defeat the time release is break the pill up

no, it doesnt work. Ive tried that a million times. If that was all you had to do i wouldnt have made the topic. There are other extended release ones that you can do that to, but these wont work that way, you obviously have never tried them, i have, ive tried every way to get these to fuck me up, snorting and eating. And i hear if you try to shoot these that it balls up into a waxy type shit.

[PukeRat]

The pills that gel up if u try to cook them are not 100% abuse proof. there is a certine way of doing them to avoid that. if u crush the pill first then cook ur water in ur spoon till it is boiling hot(make sure u have the big table spoon and fill it up all the way with water) then put the crushed pill in with a cotton then draw it up REALLY QUICK and hope that u hit ur vein on the first try. then u can shoot them. this is the case with the MS Cotins the morphine version of oxy's they gel up if u try to cook them. if u wait too long it will turn to gel in ur needle and will be useless

[PukeRat]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

Just to give you guys an idea, this is one of the pills that has this glue type shit it in:



Noticed it says 30 mg extended release. There are other opiates that have an "extended" release coating, but they can be easily licked off, but i think that these ones acyually puth them IN the pill, rather than just around it.

Heres a link to the site if you wanna check it out:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1

that pill is an ms cotin and yes u can shoot it up but it is really not worth the hassle might as well just get some heroin for the price of one of those things

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

no, it doesnt work. Ive tried that a million times. If that was all you had to do i wouldnt have made the topic. There are other extended release ones that you can do that to, but these wont work that way, you obviously have never tried them, i have, ive tried every way to get these to fuck me up, snorting and eating. And i hear if you try to shoot these that it balls up into a waxy type shit.

I have tried them and got a weak buzz from parachuting. The reason they won't fuck you up is that the oral bioavailability of morphine is only around 25%. Oral morphine just plain sucks, the time release is still being defeated.

Intranasal is around 60% but you can't really snort these

You could mix it into water and give it to yourself rectally which is similar bioavailability to intranasal afaik. I haven't tried it but it would be a decent other option.

I've heard you can stop them waxing up in a solution for shooting by heating it, but fuck shooting all that shit. Only way to go IV would be to extract the pure morphine hcl in my book

[slowdown]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

...
But the govt and the health care industry is so intertwined, that the govt AND the health care industry would BOTH lose out on a SHITLOAD of money.

.....
In the end, even if you dont believe this, ask yourself this question:

If they have the ability to make them abuse proof, why wouldnt they make them all abuse proof? Why still leave abuseable ones on the market for people to get hooked on?

The government and Insurance companies don't want to spend any more than they have to. The abusable drugs are 10x cheaper than the non-abusable drugs which are mostly now name brand only. Also, there is a higher percentage of people who will not need refills or abuse the medication, and that is what they are betting on. It's all about money.

See this as an example of how they try to save money:

64-year-old Oregon woman, whose lung cancer had been in remission, learned the disease had returned and would likely kill her. Her last hope was a $4,000-a-month drug that her doctor prescribed for her, but the insurance company refused to pay.

What the Oregon Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $50.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

[DeadLegend]

the time release is still being defeated

.

No dude, its not, trust me.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt when we were talking about X, since you obviously had more experience with them than me, but with opiates, i guarantee you i have more actuall experience than you.

And yes, i know morphine is shitty, but is the same way with the OC that they do this to.

I've heard you can stop them waxing up in a solution for shooting by heating it

Ok see, you obviously dont know what your talking about, EVERYTHING you shoot is supposed to be heated to get rid of impurities, and then filtered through a bit of cottin.

But when you cook these type of pills, they ball up into a lump of wax.

[nutsack]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

No dude, its not, trust me.

I'm not going to trust you. How about you explain how the time release works?

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

And yes, i know morphine is shitty, but is the same way with the OC that they do this to.

Morphine isn't shitty at all if you take it in a way that actually gets all of it into your system

Oral bioavailability of oxycodone: 60–87% so you might as well just eat them

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

Ok see, you obviously dont know what your talking about, EVERYTHING you shoot is supposed to be heated to get rid of impurities, and then filtered through a bit of cottin.

Sure I'm not an expert in ghetto pill shooting because I wouldn't fucking do it in the first place. Heating it in a spoon doesn't get rid of impurities. I would extract morphine hcl and get something that's actually pure, not that it would be worth it with the price of the pills

[Snoopy]

Despite the OP being a conspiracy theory fucktard, there is something going on with oxy abuse in the USA for sure. I've never been in the USA but the documented statistics about oxy and other prescription opiates, at least in the media, is indeed rather high. Perhaps the media is blowing shit out of proportion, but outside of the USA prescription opiates besides methadone aren't really all that big of a problem in terms of abuse.

[slowdown]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

the documented statistics about oxy and other prescription opiates, at least in the media, is indeed rather high

Tell me you have other statistics besides what "the media" is providing? and please post your source.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by slowdown

Tell me you have other statistics besides what "the media" is providing? and please post your source.

Yes, way to completely misunderstand my post, you peckerface.