smoking after wisdom teeth removal?

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Silverfuck

I'm not reading or getting involved in the Rizzo vs. Raptor debate, but I will say that speaking strictly from experience, its sometimes better to be safe than sorry. I ripped my stitches when I got one of my wisdom teeth removed, and it was because I was sucking on a straw. It hurt like fuck, I had a mouthful of blood, and it added a few painful days onto the healing time.

I'm sure you could manage it without damaging yourself, but it is possible to do yourself some harm.

Uh...don't flame me .

Your stitches are SUPPOSED to come out. Also, sorry, but flames are inevitable, however nothing on the internets should be taken personally.

So, to RR: Anything SilverFuck just said can NOT be applied to your argument. She said absolutely NOTHING regarding the use of marijuana (which would almost make her reply off topic )

I'm not saying it will be harmful. I'm saying it could be harmful.

And I'm not saying you WILL be banned, I'm saying you COULD be banned, if you continue to be a total fucktard. I don't care if you flame me, that's besides the point. Anything you deserved to be infracted for has been taken care of, so no further worries. Keep it cool and you'll be fine.

LOL @ your terrible analogy. And no I won't stfu. You stfu. The people who do the surgeries say not to smoke. If you don't trust their advice, why the fuck would you let them operate on you in the first place. They are all liars and evil beings right? You actually sound like a retarded meth head.

Damn right. I went in there for a "consult", which consisted of the guy telling me that I, in fact, had wisdom teeth, and described how they would take him out.

When I asked him why I needed the surgery, citing NICE and NIH guidelines that declare prophylactic removal of non-symptomatic teeth as unnecessary and dangerous, he couldn't give me a good answer.

Fucker. I had a bad case of his $2400 trapped in my mouth, that's all. If I had gone to a man with a hammer he would've told me I had a mouth full of nails.

It's been five years and my teeth are fine.

Learn to fucking read, you failtard n00b.

Smoking cannot be good after surgery. You can't dispute that. It doesn't help the healing process.

You have just proved the extent of your sheer ignorance.

NOTHING A DENTIST DOES WILL HELP HEAL DRY SOCKETS

This is. A fucking. Fact.

You can help treat the symptoms (i.e.; severe fucking pain), but you can not magically cure it with the wave of the "z0mg, I'm a licensed doctor, look what I can do" wand. That IS WHY they lie, because they know they can't help you.

I was prescribed THREE things, none of which actually help:

1. Antibiotics, which are COMPLETELY useless (didn't even bother taking them)
2. Ibuprofen, which is OTC
3. And vicodin

So. Pros = none.
Cons = Possibly cause pain, irritation, dry sockets, infection, and more. I'm not saying its going to happen, or is even likely to happen. I'm saying it might happen. Just because it didn't happen to you, doesn't mean it can't happen to other people.

FUCKING IDIOT

Have you ever smoked marijuana?

The list should look like this:

1. Pain relief (more so than fucking 5 mgs of hydrocodone and 500 mgs of APAP, AMIRITE OR AM I FUCKING RIGHT?)
2. Being able to actually EAT (Something VERY hard to do with dry sockets unless you have hardc0r3 munchies)
3. Being high as fuck. Because honestly, how is that NOT a pro? Are you retarded?

CONS: Slight oxygen loss. Minor irritation.

OH, but wait.

Taking a huge bong rip will cause you to breathe deeper, anyway, and any irritation will be completely nullified by the fact that you're high as hell.

Remember, when doctors say "smoke" they generally mean TOBACOO because MARIJUANA is not fucking federally legal (which IS part of a gigantic fucking conspiracy, and if you can't figure that out you need to NORML moar).

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Raptor Ribs

You gave me a 5 point infraction. Count much? You're just butthurt because I fucked you in the ass.

W/e I'll leave your forum. You can be the king of the retards. Frankly the new BLTC is a piece of shit. And with you as a mod, its not gonna get any better. Meta was a cunt. But at least he normally knew what he was talking about when it came to drugs.

If you have any common sense you won't smoke after oral surgery. /debate.

It is *so* good to hear it.

Also, you guys need to relearn what it is to "pwn". Apparently you've all been studying in the School of Snoopy and thinking that posting as many facepalms as possible makes you some uber cool internet troll.

Sorry, but you're still wrong.

[Raptor Ribs]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

I don't care if you flame me

You are without a doubt the most retarded mod of the drug forum to date. That includes totse and zoklet history.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Raptor Ribs

You are without a doubt the most retarded mod of the drug forum to date. That includes totse and zoklet history.

Oh, hey, wow, are you still here?

[Raptor Ribs]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Oh, hey, wow, are you still here?

Consider them parting words. *leaves* At least until another NFHC mod tells you you're an idiot. If they agree with you then there isn't much hope for this forum.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Raptor Ribs

Consider them parting words. *leaves* At least until another NFHC mod tells you you're an idiot. If they agree with you then there isn't much hope for this forum.

Sorry...You're going to be waiting a while...

If you hadn't noticed, the other mods don't generally post as much as I do.

Scov is the second most active mod and I am 100% sure he will agree with me because he holds science in his heart as I do, and I have actually presented well-researched and articulated facts.

WBM, AFAIK, will not generally give a fuck either way.

Also, if you truly GAVE a shit about this forum and not appearing to be super cool and rebellious you'd go to the thread I stickied and FUCKING POST SOME CONTENT YOU LAZY SOBs.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

This thread is fun reading.

[Montage1313]

Originally Posted by Alpheus

This thread is fun reading.

i agree

thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, i appreciate the help, i also decided to just wait it out and wait until the holes heal up just to be safe

[Vomitor]

After I got my wisdom teeth pulled I would just stick my pipe up my nose and get a hit lol.
Never got a dry socket.

[dead]

It's one thing to abuse a position of authority to spread false and possibly harmful information. Now Rizzo is just being a cry-baby bitch. You're supposed to be a leader of this shitty forum! If you spent half as much time as you do trying to sound trippy and 'out there' and put a little effort into modding, NSHC might not suck so much. Show some tact, grow some balls and just admit that you're wrong.

Oh snap, this is old.

[Raptor Ribs]

Originally Posted by Vomitor

After I got my wisdom teeth pulled I would just stick my pipe up my nose and get a hit lol.
Never got a dry socket.

I lolled.

Originally Posted by dead

It's one thing to abuse a position of authority to spread false and possibly harmful information. Now Rizzo is just being a cry-baby bitch. You're supposed to be a leader of this shitty forum! If you spent half as much time as you do trying to sound trippy and 'out there' and put a little effort into modding, NSHC might not suck so much. Show some tact, grow some balls and just admit that you're wrong.

Oh snap, this is old.

Jesus, thank you. I have a feeling a lot of people are thinking that, but won't say anything because rizzo is such a butthurt cunt. He tried (and failed) to ban me for this thread. Talk about a little cry baby.

And yes this is old, you can thank internet-weed-dude/slimey penis for the unnecessary bump.

[SLIM]

I know something about Rizzo that you guys don't

No homo.

[Raptor Ribs]

Originally Posted by slim-0v-derby

I know something about Rizzo that you guys don't

No homo.

What? That he loves taking it in the ass? Because I already knew that.

[dead]

Originally Posted by slimey_penis

u don kno wat u wanna coem say dat shit 2 me mothafucka frontin up in da crib my homiez u wanna talk dat shit u don kno how we roll up in dis bitch ya kno wat im sayin u don fuck around yo

Nigga u gettin lazee wit dat trollin, no homo

[frankthetank]

Found this when surfing the web wrt pot and wisdom teeth. So full of LULZ, worthy of threadbump from the grave.

LUL number one: Raptor Ribs was 100% right, that smoking isn't definitely going to cause dry socket, but it will increase one's chances, just like sucking through a straw, and so on, and even though he was right and was just trying to give some level-headed advice to people to be careful, he was insulted, cursed out, and eventually banned for doing so. I suppose it's more sad than funny that the voice of reason is the guy being insulted, but I laughed at the ridiculousness of the situation.

LUL number two: the guy doing the berating and banning tried to use "research": for one, he trashed RR for using wikipedia while in the same breath using GOOGLE for his research tool (see: peer reviewed journal for a better source of research), and for two, he calls all medical professionals and dentists liars... who do you think did the research, guy? As an aside, here's what the research ACTUALLY says... the cause of dry socket is basically unknown. That doesn't mean that we don't know anything or that there's nothing we can do preventatively: what's not unknown is that it happens in a small number of patients, and that activities like smoking, drinking through a straw, and so on are known to increase the frequency of its occurrence. There are a number of things going on here, but as RR pointed out, it's the pressure change that pulls the clot (or the stitches, in the case of Silverfuck) out. The research isn't clear on the cause, but it is most certainly clear on what will increase your chances of getting it!

The biggest LUL of all: the guy cursing RR out, talking about the lying dentists, and denying that pot could possibly increase the chances of dry socket... HAD DRY SOCKET. Oh, my sides hurt from laughing... it's like something from a sitcom! This thread would make for a great joke thread if Rizzo wasn't being serious.

Homework for tonight:
for anyone who said "I smoked and was fine" or "I ate a damn burger, so stop being a pussy" needs to learn what percentages mean, and what anecdotal evidence is and why it isn't valuable when compared to research.

[zombo.com]

what the fuck is this necro bullshit?

Good post i suppose, but a little bit late mate.

[Rizzo in a box]

Sigh.

LUL number one: Raptor Ribs was 100% right, that smoking isn't definitely going to cause dry socket, but it will increase one's chances, just like sucking through a straw, and so on, and even though he was right and was just trying to give some level-headed advice to people to be careful, he was insulted, cursed out, and eventually banned for doing so. I suppose it's more sad than funny that the voice of reason is the guy being insulted, but I laughed at the ridiculousness of the situation.

He wasn't banned you dipshit, I gave him a warning and I only did that because I was new to modding at the time and was unsure about some things. The fact is that he wasn't 100% right and I didn't read one post from someone who smoked after getting their wisdom teeth out where they said it fucked them up in some way.

It's not the voice of reason, it's the voice of the fucking Establishment, which propagates all kinds of fucking lies.

LUL number two: the guy doing the berating and banning tried to use "research": for one, he trashed RR for using wikipedia while in the same breath using GOOGLE for his research tool (see: peer reviewed journal for a better source of research), and for two, he calls all medical professionals and dentists liars... who do you think did the research, guy?

lol google itself can't be a research tool, but google will lead you to sites like say medical journals. and I am very certain that the people doing the research are not the people pulling my teeth. dentistry is almost entirely a fucking scam.

That doesn't mean that we don't know anything or that there's nothing we can do preventatively: what's not unknown is that it happens in a small number of patients, and that activities like smoking, drinking through a straw, and so on are known to increase the frequency of its occurrence. There are a number of things going on here, but as RR pointed out, it's the pressure change that pulls the clot (or the stitches, in the case of Silverfuck) out. The research isn't clear on the cause, but it is most certainly clear on what will increase your chances of getting it!

Correlation != causation. Smoking weed is awesome. Therefore, keep smoking weed and fuck what they say.

The biggest LUL of all: the guy cursing RR out, talking about the lying dentists, and denying that pot could possibly increase the chances of dry socket... HAD DRY SOCKET. Oh, my sides hurt from laughing... it's like something from a sitcom! This thread would make for a great joke thread if Rizzo wasn't being serious.

Yeah, too bad I didn't get it from smoking.

for anyone who said "I smoked and was fine" or "I ate a damn burger, so stop being a pussy" needs to learn what percentages mean, and what anecdotal evidence is and why it isn't valuable when compared to research.

lol, what fucking "research"? All your research is, too, ancedotal reports. So suck a fat one, noob.

this thread was such a clusterfuck because of how pissed off & in pain I was, lulz.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

He wasn't banned you dipshit

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/member.php?u=3077

Did he disagree with you again or something?

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

The fact is that he wasn't 100% right and I didn't read one post from someone who smoked after getting their wisdom teeth out where they said it fucked them up in some way.

Well, the thing is, he was 100% right. The research backed him up. The fact that you didn't get a post on a small board on a small part of the internet from someone who got dry socket after smoking (well, aside from yourself) doesn't tell you anything. That's an example of anecdotal evidence. You obviously don't understand what that word means, so here, I'll define it for you:

"Evidence, which may itself be true and verifiable, used to deduce a conclusion which does not follow from it, usually by generalizing from an insufficient amount of evidence. For example "my grandfather smoked like a chimney and died healthy in a car crash at the age of 99" does not disprove the proposition that "smoking markedly increases the probability of cancer and heart disease at a relatively early age". In this case, the evidence may itself be true, but does not warrant the conclusion."

ETA: in case it's unclear, "I didn't see a post from someone who got dry socket after smoking" or "I smoked and didn't get dry socket" don't warrant the conclusion that smoking doesn't increase the probability of contracting dry socket.

To be fair, that did come from wikipedia, and you obviously have an axe to grind with them... lol

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

It's not the voice of reason, it's the voice of the fucking Establishment, which propagates all kinds of fucking lies.

So you'd use the research when it agrees with your point, but when it doesn't, it's "the man spreading lies"? LOL. Dude, you need to lay off the pot a little methinks... it used to make me paranoid like that too. Believe it or not, there are very few instances of the scientific establishment publishing "lies" in their journals... the peer review process tends to guarantee that the paper will cross someone's desk who isn't going to lie for the author. Perhaps you can back up your assertion with some evidence? Try not to make it anecdotal.

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

google itself can't be a research tool, but google will lead you to sites like say medical journals.

Did google give you access to any of those journals? Did you actually read an article? Or did you just find a website that said "dentists are liars" or "the man is lying to you about dry socket"? The best you can get from google are article titles, maybe a few abstracts, maybe a few incomplete articles on Scholar.

Unfortunately, you need to have access to the journals to read them.

That said, keep LOLing, because if you had even so much as used google to find some academic writing, you would have found that RR was right.

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

and I am very certain that the people doing the research are not the people pulling my teeth. dentistry is almost entirely a fucking scam.

Certain about that, are you? Check this page out: http://www.thejcdp.com/journal/?volume=11&issue=1 - every time an author is listed there with just DDS after their name, they're plain old dentists (ie. the people pulling your teeth). Dentists publish ALL THE TIME in medical and dental journals. Kinda goes to show how much you know about how the research world works.

And if dentistry is such a scam, why did you get your teeth removed? Another of those situations where if they agree with you it's all good, but if they don't they're the fucking evil empire, I suppose.

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Correlation != causation. Smoking weed is awesome. Therefore, keep smoking weed and fuck what they say.

LOL. Good for you and your Psychology 101. You're right, but you should also understand that while correlation is not proof of causation, it can provide us with evidence. If the incidence of dry socket is 3%, and smoking triples the incidence, that doesn't prove anything about the mechanism that makes such a thing happen, but it tells me enough to know that taking a few days off might be the prudent choice.

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Yeah, too bad I didn't get it from smoking.

You KNOW that, do you? You should write an article. It'd be nice to have some definitive proof about the causes of alveolar osteitis.

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

lol, what fucking "research"? All your research is, too, ancedotal reports. So suck a fat one, noob.

No... unlike you, when I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday, I actually did some REAL research, ie. like with journal articles and whatnot. Hopefully the definition provided above will help you to understand the difference. Here are some titles for you to track down that say what RR said and what I've been saying:

Bertoluzzi et al. "Incidence of dry socket, alveolar infection, and postoperative pain following the extraction of erupted teeth." Journal of Contemporary Dental Practice. 2010 Jan 1;11(1):E033-40., which says "[s]moking was found to be statistically associated with the development of postoperative complications."

Noroozi et al. "Modern concepts in understanding and management of the 'dry socket' syndrome: comprehensive review of the literature." Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, Oral Pathology, Oral Radiology, and Endodontology, Volume 107, Issue 1, January 2009, Pages 30-35., which says the following:
- "McGregor did a follow-up study of 10,000 extractions under local anesthesia and suggested gender, age, site of extraction, traumatic extractions, and smoking as predisposing factors."
- "Sweet and Butler found, in a study of 400 mandibular extractions, that the incidence of dry socket was substantially greater in smokers than in nonsmokers (6.4% vs. 1.4%, respectively), with patients who smoked 10 cigarettes/day having a 12% chance of developing the condition and those who smoked 1 pack/day having a 20% chance. The incidence of dry socket increased to 40% if the patient smoked either on the day of the surgery or within the first 24 h after surgery. Removal of the clot through suction and negative pressure during smoke inhalation has also been suggested. “Shisha” or water pipe smoking has been shown to have similar effects as cigarette smoking on incidence of dry socket." (emphasis mine... this is the part you should take particular note of, Rizzo)

Al-Belasy et al. "The Relationship of “Shisha” (Water Pipe) Smoking to Postextraction Dry Socket." Journal of Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery. 62(1):10-4, 2004 Jan., which says "This study was undertaken to determine whether “shisha” (water pipe) smokers (SS) were at a different risk of developing dry socket (DS) than were cigarette smokers (CS) or nonsmokers (NS) and to assess the effect of preoperative and postoperative smoking habits on the incidence of DS. Smokers had 2 to 3 times the risk of NS for developing DS. Although SS had a greater incidence of DS than did CS, the difference was not significant (P .083). The incidence of DS was not age dependent. Smokers who smoked the day of surgery had a significantly higher incidence of DS than did smokers who smoked the second day after surgery. Compared with NS, CS who smoked the day of surgery and SS who smoked the day of surgery or the first day after surgery had a significantly increased incidence of DS (CS/NS, day 0, P .001; SS/NS, day 0, P .001; day 1, P .005)."

So let me boil that down for you: there's a ton of research, all of which agrees that smoking (even bong smoking) increases the incidence of dry socket, and the pressure caused by the act of smoking is a possible reason for this. Though now's where you chime in with "fuck the man, dentists and doctors are lying to us, the scientific community are trying to bring us down!" or "that's not proof, that says maybe, fuck the man!" right?

So... uhh... suck a fat one, non-noob?

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

this thread was such a clusterfuck because of how pissed off & in pain I was, lulz.

What's your excuse now? This thread was a clusterfuck because you're one of those people who can't be proven wrong.

[Bobitis]

While this is a necro I'll throw my point of view in since I've been in this situation.

I had 2 wisdom teeth taken out on separate occasions last month and both times the first thing I did after I got home from the hospital was smoke a joint and then continue to smoke as normal (cigarettes and joints) from then on. The only bad thing that happened to me was a little irritation from the smoke on the first day but after that no problems at all.

Looking at the odds in the post above me I'm either lucky or it isn't as common as they say.

Edit -

The reasoning I was given by my dentist for not smoking after the surgery was that it would add time to the healing process, she never mentioned anything about dry socket or other such adverse effects. The way I saw it at the time was who cares about an extra few days healing time when you have weed

[FrY]

Its best to keep smokeing if any in moderation after haveing your teeth removed.

[mr.blunt]

Raptor Ribs is a fucking faggot, this mud farmer must be RR because realistically, nobody would stick up for that flaming Hershey highway man.

[Loophole]

smoke weed erryday

[FrY]

I still smoked and got nice and high, though it was through a joint. If you cannot figure out how to take a hit without creating fucking air tight seal around the joint then maybe you should step away from the papers.

[zombo.com]

i will say though that dry socket is the most horrific fucking pain imaginable. Anything you can do to minimize the chances of experiencing it, you should do.

[zombo.com]

so many fresh faces lately...has spectral been banning people again?

[Lord hang man]

You might suck out the blood clots but do what you gotta do.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Brocoli

Lol rizzo. You dont always have to be right. You dont always have to have the last word.Let go of some ego.

Well, whatever. I'm not going to reply to his last post except to say that in the past few years there have been sooooooo many cases of fraud & outright bullshit in all kinds of scientific journals.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Well, whatever. I'm not going to reply to his last post except to say that in the past few years there have been sooooooo many cases of fraud & outright bullshit in all kinds of scientific journals.

LOL. Proof? Source?

Thought so.

Fraud happens in science, like in any field or type of work, people can cut corners. Luckily enough the scientific method consists of peer review, and the journals are the source of this peer review. The review is rigorous. While occasionally, fraudulent stuff gets through, it's very uncommon.

At any rate, that fraud occurs is no reason to assume that the sources I provided are fraudulent. Multiple sources saying the same thing tend to reduce the chances of what's being said being inaccurate.

It's okay to be wrong, you know... the big thing to do would be to admit you made a mistake, and that your advice might not be the best advice to give to people, no?

[Reefer]

This thread =

[Retard Synrdome]

How about not smoking for those 48 hours you fucking junkie.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by frankthetank

LOL. Proof? Source?

Thought so.

Fraud happens in science, like in any field or type of work, people can cut corners. Luckily enough the scientific method consists of peer review, and the journals are the source of this peer review. The review is rigorous. While occasionally, fraudulent stuff gets through, it's very uncommon.

You can suck my big fat e-fucking-penis.

http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55679/
http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55671/
http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55503/

Scientific publishing giant Elsevier put out a total of six publications between 2000 and 2005 that were sponsored by unnamed pharmaceutical companies and looked like peer reviewed medical journals, but did not disclose sponsorship, the company has admitted.

Elsevier is conducting an "internal review" of its publishing practices after allegations came to light that the company produced a pharmaceutical company-funded publication in the early 2000s without disclosing that the "journal" was corporate sponsored.

Merck paid an undisclosed sum to Elsevier to produce several volumes of a publication that had the look of a peer-reviewed medical journal, but contained only reprinted or summarized articles--most of which presented data favorable to Merck products--that appeared to act solely as marketing tools with no disclosure of company sponsorship.

A world-renowned Massachusetts anesthesiologist appears to have perpetrated what may be one of the most extensive cases of medical fraud, faking data and even making up entire studies in at least 21 cases.

Scott Reuben, the former chief of acute pain at Baystate Medical Center in Springfield, Mass., admitted that he falsified data in 10 articles in Anesthesia and Analgesia, as well as an additional 11 articles in journals including Acute Pain, Anesthesiology, and others. The studies all related to Reuben's area of expertise -- multimodal anesthesia, or the combined use of different classes of pain medications. Reuben was one of the leaders in the area.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Sc...rch_fraud.html

What's notable about this story is not the fact that a medical researcher faked clinical trials for the pharmaceutical industry. It's not the fact that so-called "scientific" medical journals published his fabricated studies. It's not even the fact that the drug companies paid this quack close to half a million dollars while he kept on pumping out fabricated research.

The real story here is that this is business as usual in the pharmaceutical industry.

Dr. Reuben's actions really aren't that extraordinary. Drug companies bribe researchers and doctors as a routine matter. Medical journals routinely publish false, fraudulent studies. FDA panel members regularly rely on falsified research in making their drug approval decisions, and the mainstream media regularly quotes falsified research in reporting the news.

Fraudulent research, in other words, is widespread in modern medicine. The pharmaceutical industry couldn't operate without it, actually. It is falsified research that gives the industry its best marketing claims and strongest FDA approvals. Quacks like Dr Scott Reuben are an important part of the pharmaceutical profit machine because without falsified research, bribery and corruption, the industry would have very little research at all.

There are several other instances but I'll leave it at that, for now.

It's okay to be wrong, you know... the big thing to do would be to admit you made a mistake, and that your advice might not be the best advice to give to people, no?

Fuck. That. I have complete faith in myself.

[Raptor Ribs]

Originally Posted by mr.blunt

Raptor Ribs is a fucking faggot, this mud farmer must be RR because realistically, nobody would stick up for that flaming Hershey highway man.

lol, you really have a problem with me don't you. I find that amusing. Anyways, thats not my account, spectral bans all the alt accounts I make. Just ask him if you don't believe me.


And LOL rizzo. Oh man oh man.

Can anyone say meth intervention?!

Jesus... The dentists and doctors are lying about the effects of smoking after oral surgery... The scientific journals are obviously fabricated

Oh ya, and did I mention that lady gaga is really the illuminates puppet!

You need help dude.

[Lord Valuemart]

When I got my tooth removed I still smoked, but I made sure to jam gauze over the bloody sockets, if you do that, it lessens the odd pulling feeling you get and it makes it to where you don't suck the clotting out.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

A few examples obviously means we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I also have a good grasp of how science works.

Okay. So an indexing service lists a few journals that are actually secret tools of big pharma, and a researcher out there faked a few studies? And that's reason to ignore or to disregard science as a whole? Rizzo: master of inductive reasoning. Here's a hint for you on how that works... something that's true in a few cases is not necessarily true in all cases. I know, that's a tricky concept, but you can understand it if you try. Maybe.

Elsevier listed 6 fake journals, according to your link. Elsevier lists 2000 journals. 6 out of 2000 journals certainly fits my definition of fraud as "very uncommon". These fake journals were well-disguised. Mistakes were made, people are human, that doesn't mean the other 1994 journals aren't worthwhile.

Big pharma faked 21 studies through that researcher. There are hundreds of thousands of legitimate pieces of research published every year that aren't sponsored by big pharma and that aren't fraudulent.

Critical thinking doesn't mean being a conspiracy nut, Rizzo.

How about you narrow your quest against science to the science I provided. You can disregard the multiple studies I quoted if you can show that they're fraudulent. Good luck with that.

[Rizzo in a box]

Whatever dude, I'm done arguing this. My position is that in all situations and at all times it is thoroughly appropriate to smoke weed given the risk vs rewards. The proper thing a dentist should do is prescribe a half ounce of opium(obviously not at all at once) to be smoked and say, "Fuck it, this will help you way better than our shitty pills."

[Arcane]

Had three wisdom teeth removed 2 weeks ago and smoked a bong 6 hours after the operation. I could not even feel the bong against my mouth (due to the anesthesia) but there was no blood, apart from the usual amount of blood from rinsing and brushing. Two weeks later and I'm fine.

Just keep taking your antibiotics and rinse with salt water often.

[Asheville]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

You can suck my big fat e-fucking-penis.

http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55679/
http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55671/
http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55503/







http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Sc...rch_fraud.html



There are several other instances but I'll leave it at that, for now.



Fuck. That. I have complete faith in myself.

Journal of Contemporary Dental Practice is a legit medical journal, whereas all the cases you cited involved fake journals being used, except for the last one, in which the researcher was being paid $500,000 by a drug company to push their products. Find ONE scientific or legit source that says smoking after surgery isn't drastically increasing your risk for dry socket. GOD DAMN HOW FUCKING THICK SKULLED CAN YOU BE!!! FUUUCCKKK!!!

I like how you assume that every single dental professional in the FUCKING WORLD is just an idiot, scamming snake oil salesman, and that you, some druggie that has no background or formal education involving dentistry. They have no reason to lie to you about it. What, it's some FUCKING GOD DAMN conspiracy to get people to WHAT? Stop smoking for a few days?

And you never answered the question of why you decided to have your teeth extracted in the first place. If you don't trust the dental establishment, why would you feel the need to have a "needless" pain-in-the ass surgery?

Lastly, I'm SUPER fucking sorry about bumping this. What happened is, I had my wisdom teeth extracted (all 4 of them), and I got dry socket about 4 days after the extraction. I got it from drinking through a straw (I assume), but the suction component is the same. I got it patched with medicated gauze which took care of the pain (mostly).

I was googling dry socket, and this came up at some point. I wouldn't have bumped such an ancient thread (one that has already been brought back from the dead before), except I think your stupidity and lack of sophisticated thought is worthy of being refuted YET AGAIN. Especially because it may encourage people to do things that will increase their chances (a lot) of having excruciating, debilitating pain for one-three weeks, assuming they stumbled upon the thread the way myself and others have.

I'm quite frankly upset that someone who has such childish and unhealthy views on medicine could be moderating a DRUGS sub-forum where people's questions on health and safety could be the difference between life and death.

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You just yelled furiously at a skeleton.

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Originally Posted by w1zard

You just yelled furiously at a skeleton.

lmao..i was just wandering in to find out why you'd come in and humped this corpse.

didn't read the rant, but a lunatic screaming at a months old mummy completely encapsulates how i felt about it.