Nootropics, brain health and shit.

[Dodectabone]

Rizzo's recent post regarding brain re/degeneration made me think of making a thread about maintaining a healthy brain via nootropics, supplements and vitamins.

What are you all on, when you're burnt out and feeling dull from what you're normally on so much you're now off and on to the next off?

I take ~1,500mg of Piracetam daily and 500mg of Alpha-GPC every other day. I include a cheap multivitamin or if I'm really feeling ghetto a Carnation Instant Breakfast (Hey, it's got vitamins and shit... better than going through the day with than without) and drink green tea often. The effects from the low dose of piracetam are efficient for me. It increases my focus and I think it increases my coordination/cognitive abilities. I've set some guitar hero scores that I just can't beat/match unless I'm on it. I only use the combination when I'm coming out from a time where I have burned myself out or if school is getting rough... to avoid getting too dependent on it.

I'm considering trying out Deprenyl and PEA in the future, just for the little extra oompf and buzz. Possibly Oxyracetam or Aniracetam too... maybe cycling them in. DMAE intrigues me, but the possible life shortening effect isn't something I find too worthwhile.

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How do you know putting those fucking nootropics into your head is going to be good for you in the long run? Half that shit is 95% placebo anyway.

[Erorr]

Not to bust your balls but this thread is going to go nowhere. Most people on here arent gonna be able to contribute and will probly say shit like weed or heroin.

Daily i just drink a few tall glasses of green tea for the vitamins and to assist in weight loss (I've read here and there that drinking a glass of green tea after every meal can assist in losing up to 18 pounds a year , I know it wouldnt be that large of a number but I like the taste and its alot better than soda) . I laugh at people thinking antioxidants are some magic fucking chemical , its normally nothing more than vitamin C and E that there boasting about

[Dodectabone]

Originally Posted by Mcrjtn

How do you know putting those fucking nootropics into your head is going to be good for you in the long run? Half that shit is 95% placebo anyway.

I don't.

But Hell... there are a lot of things that might not be good for us in the long run. Artificial sweeteners, air pollution, chemicals we're exposed to often, fucking UV light... it's worth a shot anyways.

And I'll accept placebo, if it works in my favor.

Originally Posted by Erorr

Not to bust your balls but this thread is going to go nowhere. Most people on here arent gonna be able to contribute and will probly say shit like weed or heroin.

Daily i just drink a few tall glasses of green tea for the vitamins and to assist in weight loss (I've read here and there that drinking a glass of green tea after every meal can assist in losing up to 18 pounds a year , I know it wouldnt be that large of a number but I like the taste and its alot better than soda) . I laugh at people thinking antioxidants are some magic fucking chemical , its normally nothing more than vitamin C and E that there boasting about

Probably.

And I like green tea for the caffeine.. and it tastes fantastic.

[Rizzo in a box]

How do you know putting those fucking nootropics into your head is going to be good for you in the long run? Half that shit is 95% placebo anyway.

Not to bust your balls but this thread is going to go nowhere. Most people on here arent gonna be able to contribute and will probly say shit like weed or heroin.

Don't be ignorant.

Anyway, nootropics are amazing, but I think people experiment them expecting too much or don't have the awareness required to study themselves.

Most of them don't make me "smarter" so much as keep me in a state of heightened awareness, almost constantly.

Hydergeine + piracetam + bromocriptine (With supplements of choline and lecithin) has so far been by FAR the best

Also, I find that they tend to bliss me out sometimes, especially piracetam. I'll just be doing w/e and get hit with waves of euphoria and light out of nowhere and I totally melt.

Really, too many of you have settled for a life of mediocrity and hedonism. Why?

[Dodectabone]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Don't be ignorant.

Anyway, nootropics are amazing, but I think people experiment them expecting too much or don't have the awareness required to study themselves.

Most of them don't make me "smarter" so much as keep me in a state of heightened awareness, almost constantly.

Hydergeine + piracetam + bromocriptine (With supplements of choline and lecithin) has so far been by FAR the best

Also, I find that they tend to bliss me out sometimes, especially piracetam. I'll just be doing w/e and get hit with waves of euphoria and light out of nowhere and I totally melt.

Really, too many of you have settled for a life of mediocrity and hedonism. Why?

How do you feel towards PEA with or without a MAO-B?

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Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Don't be ignorant.

Anyway, nootropics are amazing, but I think people experiment them expecting too much or don't have the awareness required to study themselves.

Most of them don't make me "smarter" so much as keep me in a state of heightened awareness, almost constantly.

Hydergeine + piracetam + bromocriptine (With supplements of choline and lecithin) has so far been by FAR the best

Also, I find that they tend to bliss me out sometimes, especially piracetam. I'll just be doing w/e and get hit with waves of euphoria and light out of nowhere and I totally melt.

Really, too many of you have settled for a life of mediocrity and hedonism. Why?

*cough placebo *cough*

If you can believe it, enjoy the ride.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Mcrjtn

*cough placebo *cough*

If you can believe it, enjoy the ride.

You don't even know what you're talking about. Ignorant cunt.

How do you feel towards PEA with or without a MAO-B?

I haven't tried it yet but I think it's definitely worthy of experimentation.

[Aerogone]

I treat piracetam like sugar in my coffee, srsly. Right down to the plastic tub with a tea spoon and everything.

Intermittent use of hydergine, B vitamins Gotu Kola tea and ginkgo biloba exracts.

Does me well!

[Aerogone]

Originally Posted by Dodectabone

How do you feel towards PEA with or without a MAO-B?

A play-by-play has, at one point, be done on &t i belive.
It is nearly impossible to get that which you are after, and no practical MAO-B inhibitors exist.

The buzz from PEA is just not worth it no matter how you dice it. It is quite a futile pursuit me thinks.

[Steve]

Everyone should be taking a multivitamin for good health. I don't drink milk anymore so I take calcium daily to help keep my bones dense; you don't need to be old to have problems with bone density, and I don't want any sort of degenerative bone disease when I'm older.

[Aerogone]

Originally Posted by Steve

Everyone should be taking a multivitamin for good health.

That can be argued, for years.

Originally Posted by Steve

I don't drink milk anymore so I take calcium daily to help keep my bones dense; you don't need to be old to have problems with bone density, and I don't want any sort of degenerative bone disease when I'm older.

Yes, after puberty your calcium does begin to be re-absorbed. It is wise to increase intake of calcium, indeed. Although this has nothing to do with nootropics... then again, your body is your temple, a healthy mind needs a healthy body to reside in.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Aerogone

That can be argued, for years.

There are studies that show too many vitamins increase your risk for cancer, but I still think a multivitamin is good because very few people have a perfect diet.

[Dodectabone]

Originally Posted by Steve

There are studies that show too many vitamins increase your risk for cancer, but I still think a multivitamin is good because very few people have a perfect diet.

Multivitamins with too much of something you don't need, at least.

Iron in a multivitamin, for example, is something Men want to stay way from.

[Erorr]

Originally Posted by Steve

Everyone should be taking a multivitamin for good health. I don't drink milk anymore so I take calcium daily to help keep my bones dense; you don't need to be old to have problems with bone density, and I don't want any sort of degenerative bone disease when I'm older.

Shut up Steve.

[Aerogone]

Originally Posted by Erorr

Shut up Steve.

Lulz

[Rizzo in a box]

I rarely, if ever, take any sort of vitamins. It's a complete waste.

[Ivy Mike]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

I rarely, if ever, take any sort of vitamins. It's a complete waste.

You don't eat like a first year university student

[Lysergic Rain]

Originally Posted by Dodectabone

DMAE intrigues me, but the possible life shortening effect isn't something I find too worthwhile.

I take 150mg DMAE daily and have been for the last 8 months. Its not very noticeable, like most nootropics it feels like you're not even on drugs. But I do feel like it helps. When I forget to take it I feel noticeably (though slightly) less motivated and lazy.

When I started taking DMAE I was also taking 200mg caffeine daily and I did that for about two weeks because I felt like the caffeine was making me too jittery though I loved to motivation it gave me in class. When I stopped with the caffeine that motivation never went away. DMAE and L-tyrosine (for after dexamps) are the only two nootropics that ever did anything for me. I tried the Pedo's DLPA cocktail but it didn't do anything for me or maybe I just fucked it up. I've heard of piracetam before but never bothered to read about it. You guys make it seem pretty sweet, so I guess I have to do some research. Hydergeine + piracetam + bromocriptine you say? Where do you guys buy your nootropics?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

don't have the awareness required to study themselves.

This! This! This! I noticed that the more I experiment with drugs the more aware I become. It use to be something that really bothered me because I never felt normal. I wrote a very long post about it over at the Chem... http://chemphoria.com/forum/index.ph...sg7382#msg7382

Originally Posted by adenosine triphosphate

You don't eat like a first year university student

Haha, third year for me, but I know where you're coming from. This is the only reason I take a multivitamin.

[Rizzo in a box]

Piracetam is EASILY found through google, in bulk, and for hella cheap (500 grams for roughly $30). Hydergeine and bromocriptine are a little harder to find, but I usually order them through IAS.

If anyone has ever found a bulk source for hydergeine or bromocriptine I would highly, highly [] appreciate a link.

[AC&C]

I recently took a look into nootropics, and I'd like to present to you the best review article I found:

Cognition enhancers: Between treating and doping the mind. Pharmacological Research 57 (2008) 196–213

Personally, I'm not convinced that these substances have a significant effect on healthy individuals, with the exception of the stimulants (methylphenidate and amphetamine definitely work). Some certainly help those people with certain cognitive impairments, but I think the effect on neurologically unimpaired people is little, if any. But don't let me stop you from experimenting with stuff, as most of them have a mild side-effect profile and are well tolerated.

[Lysergic Rain]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Piracetam is EASILY found through google

Of course. I'm not asking for sources in that sense. I could easily find multivitamins though google as well, but I'm sure some sites have better prices, lower/faster shipping, ect

Just curious what you guys use

Originally Posted by AC&C

Personally, I'm not convinced that these substances have a significant effect on healthy individuals.

eh..I guess it depends how you use them. I'll tell you that L-tyrosine DEFINITELY has an effect when used with dexamps. 5-htp is suppose to work wonders with xtc, though I've never tried it personally. It makes sense that if you stack other nootropics, either with illegal drugs or otherwise that you could get significant effects. Don't rule it out just yet.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by AC&C

I recently took a look into nootropics, and I'd like to present to you the best review article I found:

Cognition enhancers: Between treating and doping the mind. Pharmacological Research 57 (2008) 196–213

Personally, I'm not convinced that these substances have a significant effect on healthy individuals, with the exception of the stimulants (methylphenidate and amphetamine definitely work). Some certainly help those people with certain cognitive impairments, but I think the effect on neurologically unimpaired people is little, if any. But don't let me stop you from experimenting with stuff, as most of them have a mild side-effect profile and are well tolerated.

Thanks for the link.

One should be aware, though, that what science thinks is "healthy" is not always necessarily true. The general consensus is that health is a base state of being that goes nowhere. Others might argue that it is only the drive to create, love, and know that is inherently healthy.

However, those are all things which science can not measure and thus can't really discuss.

Which is why personal experimentation is absolutely necessary in all fields. That is to say, we should ALL become scientists, lest they deceive us and themselves.

[AC&C]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

One should be aware, though, that what science thinks is "healthy" is not always necessarily true... However, those are all things which science can not measure and thus can't really discuss.

I completely agree, but as far as mainstream science goes, that paper sums up the best and most recent research that has been conducted on nootropics, and is a great starting point for people to understand the neurobiological basis for the most prominent substances that are used as nootropics. It's educational at the very least.

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Thanks for the link.

You're most welcome. Now there's just this little matter of that button on the right hand side of my post....

(I'm a Thanks whore, and proud of it!)

[Rizzo in a box]

Haha. That was my last thanks for the day.

[AC&C]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

Haha. That was my last thanks for the day.

Yay! (And there was much rejoicing.)

[AC&C]

Originally Posted by Lysergic Rain

Don't rule [nootropics] out just yet.

I certainly haven't. I'm even taking ginkgo biloba right now, as I figure I may as well give something a go. When I say I'm not convinced, I'm certainly not ruling them out as effective... I'm just being cautious and am weighing the evidence both for and against their effectiveness and usage. I suppose you could say I'm taking the easy road by not being strongly for or against them, but I'm certainly will to give them a shot.

So far, I haven't noticed a continued effect with the ginkgo, only just when I first take it and for a little while afterward. I've read two studies that promote their efficacy in young, neurologically unimpaired individuals in the testing done within a few hours of first injecting the supplement. Over time, however, the improvement disappears, which makes me think that I'll take them occasionally... perhaps before a long study session or meeting.

[Hydroponichronic]

BUMPING THIS OLD ASS THREAD BECAUSE I NEED A FAVOR

Will someone with ginkgo (extract/leaf/whatever) try taking some with 25mg B6 and 100-200 mg caffeine? I've done that two days in a row and I swear I'm getting serious nootropy, but I haven't been doing it long enough to say that it's real or a result of the combo. Also, there might be some spacing necessary between ingredients, but I can't say for sure. So, will someone with the above ingredients laying around give it a shot and see if you get similar results?

[iMagiNation]

I don't have those but I can go acquire them when I'm not feeling all sick & shitty.

[Zanick]

Possibly, but first define "nootropy" before I run out and get fucked up at school, expecting to just be more efficient

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

I don't have those but I can go acquire them when I'm not feeling all sick & shitty.

Many thanks. If you haven't tried ginkgo before, I recommend you do so. I can't say for certain that ginkgo (by itself) has positive effects, but I can say for certain that it has effects. Which is why I would love second opinions. I'm inclined to believe it helps, but I have only tested it once (with a legit double-blind experimental procedure), and while it did well, one data point (against placebo) is hardly correlation, much less causation.

Originally Posted by zanick

Possibly, but first define "nootropy" before I run out and get fucked up at school, expecting to just be more efficient

Well, in this case it was like 10mgs of amphetamine, but there was heightened ability for complex thought. Actual amphetamine tends to give me intellectual tunnel vision, so to speak, but this combo I was focused yet divergent at the same time.