ATTN: Mods (a formal questioning of your actions and decisions)

[My Mom Is Dead]

TL/DR: I would like more scrutiny to be used in determining if someone is using multiple accounts. I'm sure it's not at all uncommon for roommates and friends to congregate online as well as in person or use each others computers.

NOTE: I live in the same town as poast-bortem!, that does NOT mean I share his extreme concern of righting the mod's wrongs (side-note: should agreeing with any of his points be against the rules? I don't think so ). I do declare I just want them to cut a guy a break. I am also roommates with OMGPLZDNTBAN, but our internet is out at the house(and he has not bothered to internet in at least a month). I've been using a friend's house whenever I'm too drunk or sober to sleep--your mild-mannered alcoholic will typically walk that fine line.
Since we all know each other in person, it is very possibly that our IP's have crossed once in a while.

I'm a little disappointed in how you figure a troublemaker from a man just killing time, especially when I have always been under the impression that time-killing was the goal of Zoklet and even the internet at-large.
I have just been banned for the third time, and I find it quite weak to answer for rules I didn't break. The reason of my first perma-ban (under the name of Cock-Overdose) was "Multiple Accounts," which I convinced Zok to revoke on the grounds that I have a roommate (OMGPLZDNTBAN) and we are mutual friends with poast-bortem!. He accepted my reasoning, and I was unbanned. Though he told me if it happened again, all IP related accounts would be perma-banned again.

My second perma-ban, I am unsure of the reason. It was likely another IP cross, but I like thinking Expl0itz's lack of a response and my mysterious banning was an admittance of me owning him in a debate--as may be seen here, in my last post before Cock-Overdose was banned. Sure my last comment could have been similar to a poast-rant, but that's not grounds for a ban. With a quick look over my posts versus any posts coming from the IP's I've used, it should be quite clear I am a different person with a completely different set of ideals. Regardless, I remembered what Zok told me, and didn't think it was worth the matter of complaining.

My third ban was from DFG, who I've since had a quick pm with. This ban was only temporary, but it was after only a single post. A completely non-belligerent comment on drinking your way through college:
http://zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=928528#post928528

Originally Posted by Dfg

I wont stop you but it will further get you in trouble. You were banned due to IP's being matched. It doesn't really help when your IP gets matched with someone who makes multiple accounts on a regular basis.

However, I can assure you that in future I will keep an eye out for you. Again sorry for the inconvenience.

Have fun .

This is where it gets completely stupid. You see where I'm going? I don't even have to troll to get banned. Though DFG said he'd keep an eye out, it also kinda contradicts what Zok told me. It's also not going to keep other mods (some of which are total asshats) from banning me. I'm just instantly screwed for having friends outside of Zoklet.
I can accept and move on with this, but it's a little weak to me that I can't be a part of a community on the grounds of its fear of one of my friends. This thread is not a flame towards anyone to be honest, and I would have posted in suggestions if it didn't specifically said not to complain about the site's way of policing itself... I think more than anything, the only emotional response I have is disappointment in a website that has fallen so far from a totse concept.
I would say a website that is linked to at the very top of http://totse.com and put into bold print (when all others get no such highlights) should keep a little more of the place damn near all of us met each other. I do not make threats to the authority here, I only call it as I see it, and with the way I keep getting banned, I can easily see where poast has made some valid points.

[Dose Me]

Originally Posted by My Mom Is Dead

TL/DR:
I would say a website that is linked to at the very top of http://totse.com and put into bold print (when all others get no such highlights) should keep a little more of the place damn near all of us met each other. I do not make threats to the authority here, I only call it as I see it, and with the way I keep getting banned, I can easily see where poast has made some valid points.

You bring up some very good points...and if this has truly happened to you it is an issue that should be addressed.

I quoted for motherfucking truth. People just calling it as they see it is taken as "trolling" or "kidiot shit" by almost any mod/admin 90% of the time...and its hard to blame them considering they do put up with that shit a lot.

It's like the Cop metaphor. If everytime you arrest a black person, he's got a gun and drugs on him...you're going to start being suspect of black people when they may not be carrying a gun or drugs...its just pattern adaption...and it sucks.

The same thing happens here and everywhere. It's appointing people to modship who will be thorough enough...and care enough to take the extra steps in order to make sure that they are dishing out proper punishment that's important. We have many mods who have become numbed from all the bullshit taken over their years of modding. They're good mods, but they're complacent, which is human.

Just my thoughts I guess, I'm kinda high though.

[cosmo]

Dfg likes to ban people.

[Shaggy]

It is the fault of the jews.

[Dfg]

Originally Posted by cosmo

Dfg likes to ban people.

Not exactly.

He was just unlucky. Since, Zoklet gets flooded on a weekly basis I try to prevent flagged users using Multiple Accounts. But in his case it was total bad luck. Fish checked the infraction and then I went through it again. The system was to blame in this case.

However, I did assure the OP that in future it wont happen.

[Fish]

If you know that you are posting from the same IP address as someone else, it's your job to let us know.

Originally Posted by My Mom Is Dead

Though he told me if it happened again, all IP related accounts would be perma-banned again.

And it did happen again. The fact is, you were sharing an IP with a user that we know has caused trouble with multiple accounts. The fact that you're trying to convince us that you are not him is irrelevant - we didn't know that you were a separate user, nor did you notify us of such beforehand. The fact that your 1 post was "benign" is also irrelevant - if you are found to be sharing an IP address with someone who is a known trouble maker, it's up to you to clear the issue.

The burden is on you to let us know that you're not just an alt. The burden is on you to tell us you're posting from your friend's house. The burden is on you to make sure that you don't get linked to a user (or accused of being a user) who's been known to cause problems in the past.

[My Mom Is Dead]

-Couldn't respond any earlier than now, as I don't have internet at home-

Originally Posted by Fish

If you know that you are posting from the same IP address as someone else, it's your job to let us know.

Then by this reasoning, isn't it Zok's fault for not telling his handymen that Cock-Overdose was a neutral account unrelated to any spamming?
Is it my burden to tell every single admin and mod that I am not a spammer? Wouldn't that make me seem all the more suspected of being a troll? Your rebuttal makes no sense.
As Cock-Overdose, you never wronged me, Fish. I even kinda liked you for being the "chill" admin--but now that I have one single comment against the management (in a non-threatening manner, even), you throw it in my face. Zok knew I used some of the same IP's as poast and he probably knew OMGPLZDNTBAN used some of the IP's as well. You even quoted me about Zok knowing--what was Cock-Overdose banned for? If not for the whole IP shenanigans that I had already assumedly cleared with Zok, than I can only believe it was because I actually did burn Expl0itz--in which case, poast was right all along. If mods can ban all willy-nilly if their feelings are hurt, than there is no freedom on this board--unless of course you're only kissing ass, or keeping under the radar... then again, as My Mom Is Dead, I didn't even mention the previous wronging I had incurred before I was banned again. I accepted and moved on.
The funny thing is, you're attacking me because I made a "nay-say" against the way things are done here, which was more of a suggestion than anything else. The only point here that I'm trying to make is that you guys should use more scrutiny in determining whether or not someone is doing something ban-worthy. You just contradicted the hell out of yourself with saying I should inform someone about my case. What more can you ask of me than politely getting a hold of Zok on irc, and telling him the situation?
As I stated in my first post, I don't even care about the politics around here, I would just like to post freely as a contributing member, without the fear of being banned for my "IRL" associations. I would like this freedom to be granted to all members in general.


Your poast-butthurtisms are blinding your judgment and making a victim of innocent posters like myself. You're pretty much LETTING him manipulate you.

[Sir Thomas Gayfa]

the staff is gay

[Dfg]

Originally Posted by My Mom Is Dead

-poast

I was going to help you more but after reading that long reply it seems we have another poast in the making. Just leave it and move on.

If you don't care why are trying to create a mess of things. End it here and go post in some section and actually contribute. Now thanks this post I will keep an eye on you. I hope you contribute because I will make sure you do.

Stop trying to blame the management. It's your fault not ours.

[Sir Thomas Gayfa]

Originally Posted by Dfg

I go out of my way to be unhelpful if I'm asked to do anything.

If something unfair happens to you instead of bitching about it in the bitch and moan forum, its best to pretend like it didn't happen at all because doing stuff is just not my thing. As part moderating team on zoklet I'd rather antagonize the meek than do anything so fuck off.

Stop trying to blame the management. It's your fault not ours.

oh 

[My Mom Is Dead]

Originally Posted by Dfg

If you don't care why are trying to create a mess of things.

Okay, so maybe I do care a little about getting dragged into Zoklet politics while trying to remain neutral to both parties--so shoot me. My reply wasn't all that long, but here's the TL/DR version: I would just like to post freely as a contributing member, without the fear of being banned for my "IRL" associations. I would like this freedom to be granted to all members in general. The End. Try focusing on that point, rather than getting all defensive over who I'm suggesting take action (administration, of course).
You addressed absolutely no points in my prior post, so I have nothing to gain from anything you said, other than now knowing you're going to watch my posts and make sure I contribute... "or else."
Is this forum not the equivalent to Bitch and Moan on Totse? So long as I keep my dispute where it belongs, I should be able to state my mind however I please.

...but then again, I guess not. With thinly veiled threats such as the likes of "I will make sure you do [post in a contributing manner*]," I actually question the legitimacy of "Pissin' Each Other Off" and its sub-forum's purpose. When a man posts in the forum designated to talk shit about the administration (IGIAIM), and *god forbid* brings up an honest opinion on an honest problem, he gets told [to the extent on] "Yer on thin ice, buddy."
Shit, man. The fact that I'm getting heat over this?--That speaks louder than my initial complaint, as I've taken a very diplomatic approach to seeing things work out for the better.
So, if I'm going about seeing my goals through, go ahead and try letting me know a better way. As it is, you guys are getting hot-headed over something that shouldn't have happened to begin with, considering Zok knew I (as Cock-Overdose) was not a troll.


* in which I do post in a contributing manner, including in this very thread.

[Sir Thomas Gayfa]

Originally Posted by My Mom Is Dead

Okay, so maybe I do care a little about getting dragged into Zoklet politics while trying to remain neutral to both parties--so shoot me. My reply wasn't all that long, but here's the TL/DR version: I would just like to post freely as a contributing member, without the fear of being banned for my "IRL" associations. I would like this freedom to be granted to all members in general. The End. Try focusing on that point, rather than getting all defensive over who I'm suggesting take action (administration, of course).
You addressed absolutely no points in my prior post, so I have nothing to gain from anything you said, other than now knowing you're going to watch my posts and make sure I contribute... "or else."
Is this forum not the equivalent to Bitch and Moan on Totse? So long as I keep my dispute where it belongs, I should be able to state my mind however I please.

...but then again, I guess not. With thinly veiled threats such as the likes of "I will make sure you do [post in a contributing manner*]," I actually question the legitimacy of "Pissin' Each Other Off" and its sub-forum's purpose. When a man posts in the forum designated to talk shit about the administration (IGIAIM), and *god forbid* brings up an honest opinion on an honest problem, he gets told [to the extent on] "Yer on thin ice, buddy."
Shit, man. The fact that I'm getting heat over this?--That speaks louder than my initial complaint, as I've taken a very diplomatic approach to seeing things work out for the better.
So, if I'm going about seeing my goals through, go ahead and try letting me know a better way. As it is, you guys are getting hot-headed over something that shouldn't have happened to begin with, considering Zok knew I (as Cock-Overdose) was not a troll.


* in which I do post in a contributing manner, including in this very thread.

he's from pakistan. he doesn't understand the concept of ethics and freedom of speech

[Blunderfail]

Wow. I usually just lol @ "zoklet politics" but I'm really on My Mom Is Dead's side. Fish's post was the douchiest thing I've ever read on Zoklet, and I've read a looot of toothlessjoe's posts.

[Tom "Fuck Models" Brady]

why did poast get banned again lol? wasn't he banned before and unbanned?

[MunkeyQ]

Well...I'm a mod so I thought I'd better respond to this.

Don't think all mods are the same. I can count the number of infractions I've handed out on one hand as it's something I really don't like doing.

My view on Poast is that he takes this place far too seriously. If the rest of the user base can get by without causing trouble, I don't see why he has to.

[My Mom Is Dead]

Originally Posted by MunkeyQ

Don't think all mods are the same.

That was never my assumption, but thanks for the reply... though, your comment was a little off point. This thread is only slightly related to poast-bortem!. His war with you guys is his own business, but I'm in the crossfire, which leads to me getting banned and feeling a need to request some action towards not letting this sort of thing happen to other people in similar situations.
I trust I'm not going to be banned again, since it's pretty clear I'm not a troll (Dfg can go right ahead and keep his eye on me ), but I suggest you read this thread from the beginning (if you have time/haven't already done so) for a better understanding of what my angle is.
Even though I'm pretty sure they read the whole thing, I'm met with belligerence from Fish, then from Dfg, for stating my view. Neither of which posts even try to take on a point to discredit, they just rage at me--which inadvertently seems to give poast's rantings more substance--Granted this is more or less the flaming board, it seems a little unprofessional when considering the topic. I think I already said I would have posted this in suggestions, only the description there specifies not to post problems with the mods/admins.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by My Mom Is Dead

Even though I'm pretty sure they read the whole thing, I'm met with belligerence from Fish

I merely stated the official policy on the issue and how it conflicted with the very facts that you stated - if you share an ip address with another user, it's your job to make sure there's no confusion, not the other way around. You did that for one account, but not for this one.

OMGPLZDNTBAN has a history of multiple accounts and other trouble - a moderator noticed a reported correlation between your ips and acted on it. I investigated further, and decided it was in error. Your previous account was cleared with Zok. This one was not, as far as I know, nor was I ever informed that this was your new account. With the number of users making alt accounts and causing trouble around here, I'm not quite sure what you expected to happen when we see yet another account pop up under OMGPLZDNTBAN's name.

[My Mom Is Dead]

Originally Posted by Fish

You did that for one account, but not for this one.

And would you please inform me of why I was banned as Cock-Overdose?
... and maybe why when I check the dates of threads in both PEOO and its sub-forum IGIAIM!!, they go all the way back to what I believe was "the beginning," yet the thread where Cock-Overdose last posted is now missing?



-used to support my original post in this thread-

Originally Posted by My Mom Is Dead

as may be seen here[not anymore....], in my last post before Cock-Overdose was banned.

Pardon the shitty pun, but this is actually getting rather fishy. Y'know?

[Fish]

Your last posts as Cock Overdose were deleted because the thread owner (kratos) deleted the thread.

The account was banned on August 14, which as I recall, was in the middle of the spam attacks from Poast and his crew. Having an email address that matches that of the administrator at Poast's site, which was the planning ground for the attack, probably didn't help your case.

[Blunderfail]

Originally Posted by Fish

Your last posts as Cock Overdose were deleted because the thread owner (kratos) deleted the thread.

The account was banned on August 14, which as I recall, was in the middle of the spam attacks from Poast and his crew. Having an email address that matches that of the administrator at Poast's site, which was the planning ground for the attack, probably didn't help your case.

lol japan

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Blunderful

lol japan

make more comics, dammit

[Blunderfail]

Originally Posted by Fish

make more comics, dammit

Make me mod of the trashcan and I will.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Blunderful

Make me mod of the trashcan and I will.

[Blunderfail]

Originally Posted by Fish

Just do it - It'll be lol. Zok will agree. Talk to Zok about it. Trust me.

[The Cheshire Cat]

I mod the Trash.

[Blunderfail]

Originally Posted by Expl0itz

I mod the Trash.

I can help... don't be a trash whore.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Originally Posted by Expl0itz

I mod the Trash.

[Dfg]

Originally Posted by Blunderful

lol japan

Originally Posted by Fish

make more comics, dammit

Originally Posted by Blunderful

Make me mod of the trashcan and I will.

Originally Posted by Fish

Originally Posted by Blunderful

Just do it - It'll be lol. Zok will agree. Talk to Zok about it. Trust me.

Originally Posted by Expl0itz

I mod the Trash.

Originally Posted by Blunderful

I can help... don't be a trash whore.

Originally Posted by Expl0itz

HAHHAHAha

Lulz.


Like I said before same pattern of posting by the OP . I just hope he actually contributes.

[My Mom Is Dead]

Yet another long winded-post is hidden within this spoiler. Reading it's optional, as I'm warning you now that I am way too tired to do anything but ramble. It's very possible I didn't even finish it, make any well founded points, or even make any sense along the way. Goodnight, gents. I'll probably catch up on this in a week-or-so.

Originally Posted by Fish

Having an email address that matches that of the administrator at Poast's site, which was the planning ground for the attack, probably didn't help your case.

Spoiler: Click to toggle

Again, this is all reasoned on who I'm associated with. Sure that site's mine, and I'd never bother to deny it, but in all my time here, have I shown any reason to be thought of as a threat to the order? Most members directly involved with that attack were only temp-banned, and some are still posting around.
If I were going to have done something to zoklet, I would have acted on it when the getting was good, but I never once spoke out against the administration until this thread.
What would have helped my case? Refusing to take part in the "resistance" didn't do me much good, it seems completely biased that I was swept away without even an explanation--which, come to think of it, comes conveniently out, only as I press this issue with you. I've laid all my cards on the table from the start, yet you keep pulling excuses out your sleeve to justify your needless force. All I've been asking for from the beginning was a fair banning system, and all you're doing is digging a hole. Is it so incriminating that I gave my harmless[or do you disagree?] friend since grade school full control over my dead-assed going-nowhere website? He could have (and probably did) do a better more private/personal job on any other given website or messaging system. He knew the staff here were aware of my site ever since OMGPLZDNTBAN posted it.
Obviously the staff has personal feelings in the matter of poast-bortem!, or they're power-mad. Both these two options suggest poast was right all along, and if he was, this site's likely going the way of totse. Mods going crazy, posters disgruntled, deteriorating content... the works.
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Weigh it out, man. Who is more ban-worthy?
Spammers Directly Attacking Zoklet...or...Some Random Poster
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My hand has never been in the rant/conspiracy cookie jar, I'd much rather stick with the good ol' snarky comment or quick opinion. The mass destruction or epic change in a website's structure is not only irrational to me, but boring as well. All I'd like from you guys is the same thing I've been asking from my first post, which is:
"TL/DR: I would like more scrutiny to be used in determining if someone is using multiple accounts. I'm sure it's not at all uncommon for roommates and friends to congregate online as well as in person or use each others computers."

If my website were a factor in this at all, I would have imagined you to have brought that up in your first post, rather than pull it as in ace so late in the game. I personally don't want to argue this anymore, and I'm sure you don't either--would it be so hard just to agree to advise your mod-squad to give some warning when they catch identical IP's? Give the posters a chance to distinguish themselves as separate identities, and suggest an explanation be given when banned?
I'm not even asking for anyone to be unbanned, just a little bit of fair judgment and the right to be peaceful in the future. Banning is a dick move, and a perma-ban should at least be given some manner of respect towards the user--or at least the users who show a little respect for the site, anyways. I may think this site's gay, but I still abide most of the rules in hopes of catching some lulz along the way.

Originally Posted by Dfg

Like I said before same pattern of posting by the OP . I just hope he actually contributes.

Right back'atcha, bud.
Just kidding. From what I've seen, I know you'll always be a shitty poster and a shittier person.