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are there any RCs that give similar effects of opiates? i have heard of plenty of RCs that make you trip balls, and have tried 2c-i, but was wondering if there are any that won't fuck with your head and just make you feel warm and fuzzy?
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I don't know about RC's, but something interesting I've been looking into lately. Kratom supposedly stimulates opiate receptors. Also, if you take Salvia Nemorosa leaves, make a tea out of it, cook out the water, you'll be left with a reddish-brown powder. You can smoke this and supposedly some opiate users have been able to achieve a decent nod with it. That's also supposed to stimulate opiate receptors. Look into Salvia Nemorosa, it's quite an interesting subject.
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Yes they are out there but good luck finding them.
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I don't know about RC's, but something interesting I've been looking into lately. Kratom supposedly stimulates opiate receptors. Also, if you take Salvia Nemorosa leaves, make a tea out of it, cook out the water, you'll be left with a reddish-brown powder. You can smoke this and supposedly some opiate users have been able to achieve a decent nod with it. That's also supposed to stimulate opiate receptors. Look into Salvia Nemorosa, it's quite an interesting subject.
Hmm I'll look into both of those, thanks.

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Yes they are out there but good luck finding them.
Do you know the names of them perhaps?
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Yes they are out there but good luck finding them.
No, they're easy to find if you know how to g00gl3. The real problem is affording them. Who the hell has the money to throw down $90 for 10 mg of some super obscure, yet highly potent opiod?

If you guys all want to throw down, I'll play guinea pig. I fear nothings.
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No, they're easy to find if you know how to g00gl3. The real problem is affording them. Who the hell has the money to throw down $90 for 10 mg of some super obscure, yet highly potent opiod?

If you guys all want to throw down, I'll play guinea pig. I fear nothings.
I am totally down haha, highly potent opiod? Yes please.
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:22 PM
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If you consider fentanyls RC's then there are quite a few. However, from what I gather there are few that could be considered "fun". You also run the risk of instantly OD'ing on the ultra potent ones. If I remember correctly one had a active dosage below 1ug, and that was 2 years ago.
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I don't know about RC's, but something interesting I've been looking into lately. Kratom supposedly stimulates opiate receptors. Also, if you take Salvia Nemorosa leaves, make a tea out of it, cook out the water, you'll be left with a reddish-brown powder. You can smoke this and supposedly some opiate users have been able to achieve a decent nod with it. That's also supposed to stimulate opiate receptors. Look into Salvia Nemorosa, it's quite an interesting subject.
Unfortunately, it WILL turn your dreams into salvia-esque nightmares.

The nod was good... watching my girlfriend timelapse rot on a crucifix in the middle of a mall filled with martians was not. I guess you can make the best out of it by never sleeping.
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Unfortunately, it WILL turn your dreams into salvia-esque nightmares.

The nod was good... watching my girlfriend timelapse rot on a crucifix in the middle of a mall filled with martians was not. I guess you can make the best out of it by never sleeping.
i hope the nightmares aren't typical. that sounds terrifying haha
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Do you know the names of them perhaps?
Back when I was into RCs these compounds below were a few that were available from the company I dealt with to synthesize but the prices were through the roof and not something I could afford.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Allylfentanyl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methopholine
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Herkinorin. Expensive as hell and good luck finding it.
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There are a lot of opiate research chemicals,indeed i used a few for actually research for my first degree. most are highly scheduled, a lot are used for purely in vitro studies and a few, if poorly synthesised, can have disturbing side effects like massive neurotoxicity giving permanent parkinsons-like symptoms after a single dose. They also tend to be highly potent, way beyond anything you could safely dilute to with any accuracy in a home setting, can have poor stability and cost an awful amount of money for something which will probably jump up and kill you. If you're looking for an opiate substitue kratom is probably the nearest you'll get but i'd stick to proper opiates to be honest.
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ohme-fentanyl

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Herkinorin. Expensive as hell and good luck finding it.
Salvia... oh right still expensive as hell.
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Kratom it is.
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I don't know about RC's, but something interesting I've been looking into lately. Kratom supposedly stimulates opiate receptors. Also, if you take Salvia Nemorosa leaves, make a tea out of it, cook out the water, you'll be left with a reddish-brown powder. You can smoke this and supposedly some opiate users have been able to achieve a decent nod with it. That's also supposed to stimulate opiate receptors. Look into Salvia Nemorosa, it's quite an interesting subject.
I've experimented with Salvia spathacea, which is said to have the same effect/active chemical as nemorosa, and found it to be mildly psychoactive as raw dried plant matter, usually smoked. I drank it once, but I find that oral ingestion produced extremely vivid nightmares and general headfuckery while I was sleeping. I did an acid-base extraction on it, but I lost the jar which contained the end result (white crystals) and thus never got to experiment with the alkaloids themselves.

I think the current chemical thought to be active in these plants in nemorone, but I seem to be unable to find any sort of reference on that. Regardless, smoking a few bowls of the stuff led to a moderate opiate-ish feeling and complimented cannabis fairly well.

Sooner or later I'm going to get around to separating the alkaloids in the plant, and see what can be done about determining structure and activity...

Oh, and you want the flowers according to most of the reports I've read.
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Unfortunately, it WILL turn your dreams into salvia-esque nightmares.

The nod was good... watching my girlfriend timelapse rot on a crucifix in the middle of a mall filled with martians was not. I guess you can make the best out of it by never sleeping.
No joke? Damn. Well that's weird as fuck, but regardless, I'll have to experiment with it more. The dose that I took was pretty small when I did it, but I could see that it had potential.

EDIT: Yea dedraic, I've been told nemorone is the thing you want. I was also told the flowers are what you want, but the friend I did it with hadn't tried it with the leaves and said that it might have worked better, it was hard to tell though.

An A/B on that would be sick though. I need to find some just basic solvents and such so I can experiment with extractions and such more often, as I'd definitely want to try that out with a plant such as this.

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No joke? Damn. Well that's weird as fuck, but regardless, I'll have to experiment with it more. The dose that I took was pretty small when I did it, but I could see that it had potential.

EDIT: Yea dedraic, I've been told nemorone is the thing you want. I was also told the flowers are what you want, but the friend I did it with hadn't tried it with the leaves and said that it might have worked better, it was hard to tell though.

An A/B on that would be sick though. I need to find some just basic solvents and such so I can experiment with extractions and such more often, as I'd definitely want to try that out with a plant such as this.
salvinorins = terpenoids = no a/b.
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Yea apparently Bali kratom is real sedating and opiate like.

But other strains are more stimulating.

Do a bit of research for the best sedating kratom strains and mix a couple.
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I've experimented with Salvia spathacea, which is said to have the same effect/active chemical as nemorosa, and found it to be mildly psychoactive as raw dried plant matter, usually smoked. I drank it once, but I find that oral ingestion produced extremely vivid nightmares and general headfuckery while I was sleeping. I did an acid-base extraction on it, but I lost the jar which contained the end result (white crystals) and thus never got to experiment with the alkaloids themselves.
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Downers one of the most commonly prescribed type of medication, why the fuck would you pay for a sack of some shit from china when such a wide range of opioids are so damn common, not to mention all the fact they've been subjected to fuckloads of FDA bullshit, who the fuck knows what that asian crap is going to do to you down the road.
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salvinorins = terpenoids = no a/b.
Ahhh, I see. I don't know enough about salvia and it's contents to know what would be the best way to extract the active ingredients. Thanks for the heads up though.
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And I notice everyone suggesting kratom is using words like "apparently" and "i've heard", not fucking surprising.
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Downers one of the most commonly prescribed type of medication, why the fuck would you pay for a sack of some shit from china when such a wide range of opioids are so damn common, not to mention all the fact they've been subjected to fuckloads of FDA bullshit, who the fuck knows what that asian crap is going to do to you down the road.
not everyone has a connect for them at all times.
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And I notice everyone suggesting kratom is using words like "apparently" and "i've heard", not fucking surprising.
Kratom is an awesome herbal sedative and one of my favorites.

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Its probably going to take a couple weeks for the shit to get to you after ordering, if you can't find shit within that time then you really don't want it that badly.
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Kratom is an awesome herbal sedative and one of my favorites.

THERE.

No apparency.
Yeh, but the name "Rizzo in a box" above it makes it mean jack shit anyway
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Its probably going to take a couple weeks for the shit to get to you after ordering, if you can't find shit within that time then you really don't want it that badly.
Well I am willing to order and try an alternative to real opiates so I guess that is a sign that I really don't want it that badly... I'll let you know how it goes!
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And I notice everyone suggesting kratom is using words like "apparently" and "i've heard", not fucking surprising.
Yea I've never tried it, so I can't say for sure, but from what people have told me, people who unlike you have an IQ above double digits, it's a very good opiate substitute.
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Yea I've never tried it, so I can't say for sure, but from what people have told me, people who unlike you have an IQ above double digits, it's a very good opiate substitute.
Probably the same type of people who rave about I-doser and the magical effects of nutmeg.

And theres nothing wrong with a 90~IQ
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salvinorins = terpenoids = no a/b.
I hadn't even thought of that, I wonder what I pulled then. I do know whatever the end material was was non-caustic and had an odd, chemically taste to it.

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Lye and vinegar and mechanical filtration? To be quite honest, I did it so long ago I'm not even sure what exactly I used. I'll have to give it another shot to see if I even pulled anything other than sodium acetate out of it, but it was the same procedure as any other acid-base extraction I've done.
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Lye and vinegar and mechanical filtration? To be quite honest, I did it so long ago I'm not even sure what exactly I used. I'll have to give it another shot to see if I even pulled anything other than sodium acetate out of it, but it was the same procedure as any other acid-base extraction I've done.
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of what pH's did you go to, and what solvent did you use?
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I hadn't even thought of that, I wonder what I pulled then. I do know whatever the end material was was non-caustic and had an odd, chemically taste to it.
Given the fact that you pulled out white crystals, I would imagine this was not pure salvinorin. Add in the fact that you actually tasted it and didn't get fuxored, I reckon we can say for sure...

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Lye and vinegar and mechanical filtration? To be quite honest, I did it so long ago I'm not even sure what exactly I used. I'll have to give it another shot to see if I even pulled anything other than sodium acetate out of it, but it was the same procedure as any other acid-base extraction I've done.
Yeah, an acid/base extraction won't work, as has been mentioned, because desired product is not alkaloidal. Apparently chilled acetone is very effective, and acetone can also be used to recrystallise the crude extract to give very high purity product.

Be wary though: I would imagine that it would be very easy to take much too much of the crystalline material for one's liking - or sanity!
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Well, I was thinking more along the lines of what pH's did you go to, and what solvent did you use?
I used an aqueous extraction, dunno about the pH, I didn't have test strips on hands and just eyeballed it. I only worked down around a tenth of the tea I made, the rest of it got chucked when I started another project and needed the bottle.

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Yeah, an acid/base extraction won't work, as has been mentioned, because desired product is not alkaloidal. Apparently chilled acetone is very effective, and acetone can also be used to recrystallise the crude extract to give very high purity product.

Be wary though: I would imagine that it would be very easy to take much too much of the crystalline material for one's liking - or sanity!
Well, I wasn't trying to pull salvinorin, since this wasn't S. divinorum, I was just interested in what the active in the plant was like and how strong I could get it to be by making an extract. It would make sense for it to be similar in structure to salvinorin-a considering the plants are in the same genus though, so I may have to attempt that the next time I gather some.

It's likely I'll be down by the spot that the Salvia spathacea grow later today actually, I may gather up a bit and dry it for later experiments...
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