Wellbutrin(Bupropion)

[cartmanblue]

I am considering taking Wellbutrin as an anti-depressant.

Does anyone have any experience with this drug? From my research I've concluded that it's the best anti-depressant of all of them, especially for smoking cessation.

Last year I was prescribed to Zoloft, and I will NEVER, EVER take that supbstance again. 9 weeks into my regiment I tried to commit suicide and ended up in Miller Dwan (psych ward) under 72 hour lockdown.)

I don't want a repeat of this.

Any advice would be well appreciated

[MeAndMyself]

From my personal experience, I wouldn't recommend it. Let me correct that, I wouldn't recommend taking any more than you're supposed to. The pill works wonders in it's prescribed dose, but if you decide to take an additional one, it starts doing strange things to your head. At that point in my life I had NEVER seriously considered suicide, but after swallowing three of those little fuckers I was laying on my bed debating how to end it.

Luckily I fell asleep before I came to a decision.

[Rizzo in a box]

Wellbutrin is an awesome antidepressant, I've never been prescribed it but it's not hard to find someone with an Rx that doesn't use it. I tried taking two a day for a few weeks and boy, it works wonders. I wasn't depressed, but it did help out a lot with motivation and general well being.

Try one in the morning, one in the late afternoon (not at night though, might keep you awake all O.O). Excessive use of stimulants could make things tricky.

[Piles of Crack]

As far as truly effective antidepressants go, Wellbutrin is one of two that I'm always willing to vouch for. (The other one is Remeron, though that's moreso if you're like, really fucking depressed.)

Another thing to consider, if you don't go with the Wellbutrin, is 5-HTP, which is available OTC. Doesn't work for everyone, but for those who do find a benefit from it, the benefit is usually pretty significant.

And I doubt I need to tell you this after your experience with Zoloft, but avoid prescription SSRIs like the plague; I absolutely despise the things, from a medical viewpoint, and feel a lot of psychiatrists need to go back to school and study about their effects a bit more before flinging Lexapro/Zoloft/Celexa scripts at everyone who walks through their office door complaining of just about any symptom you can imagine. /rant

[AngryOnion]

Originally Posted by cartmanblue

I am considering taking Wellbutrin as an anti-depressant.

Does anyone have any experience with this drug? From my research I've concluded that it's the best anti-depressant of all of them, especially for smoking cessation.

Last year I was prescribed to Zoloft, and I will NEVER, EVER take that supbstance again. 9 weeks into my regiment I tried to commit suicide and ended up in Miller Dwan (psych ward) under 72 hour lockdown.)

I don't want a repeat of this.

Any advice would be well appreciated

zoloft made me accuse my wife of dancing nude in the back yard for the entertainment of the neighbors.It never happened and I don't remember a fucking thing.

[Namaste]

Everyone always seems to have these crazy stories of when antidepressants made them freak out and do crazy things, but every antidepressant I've ever been on has just been lame. either worked but had stupd side effects or did nothing. It's boring...

But I've research Wellbutrin and it seems like it'd be good. It's one i haven't tried and I desperately want to, but my psychiatrist is kind of being a bitch and literally not doing anything right now... no medications, no suggestions of anything, it's annoying. =/

But if you wanna try it, i say go for it. Chances it'll make you flip out like the zoloft did probably aren't that high.

[:MAD:ijuana]

I used to take it, it powerful shit

[PaperChasing]

It helped, but it made me super super super anxious.
And sweat like a motherfucker.
And insomnia.
= more depression.

[rabbitweed]

Funny story about rabbitweed's attempt to get bupropion...

So I'd been to the doctors a few times, I was put on one SSRI (paroxetine IIRC), which left me unable to ejaculate. I went back, complained about the side effect, and was then put on another SSRI (citalopram I think), which left me unable to achieve a proper erection.

Feeling a bit despondent, I started doing a bit of research on antidepressants (from ACTUAL BOOKS, not just retards on the internet), and read that Bupropion was extremely unlikely to interfere with my junk.

Armed with this information, I told my doctor about my continuing dick problems. He started getting upset "you need to pick which medication you'd like to be on". I told him I had done a bit of reading and suggested bupropion. At this point, he started getting exasperated, looked it up online (lol) and told me "aha! Bupropion is used to stop people smoking! It's not an antidepressant."

When I told him it was marketed as an antidepressant almost everywhere else in the world, he started freaking out, yelling at me saying "you can't just go off into fantasy land reading about what pills they take in America!". Dude looked like he was going to have a heart attack, and eventually ended up ushering me out the door and telling me to see another doctor.

[purewhitepanda]

Zoloft saved my life. Before taking Zoloft i was a serial rapist/murderer. Now am just a murderer because Zoloft makes my penis soft and i can't get it up to rape people/animals anymore.

[MeAndMyself]

Originally Posted by -PoC

As far as truly effective antidepressants go, Wellbutrin is one of two that I'm always willing to vouch for. (The other one is Remeron, though that's moreso if you're like, really fucking depressed.)

Another thing to consider, if you don't go with the Wellbutrin, is 5-HTP, which is available OTC. Doesn't work for everyone, but for those who do find a benefit from it, the benefit is usually pretty significant.

And I doubt I need to tell you this after your experience with Zoloft, but avoid prescription SSRIs like the plague; I absolutely despise the things, from a medical viewpoint, and feel a lot of psychiatrists need to go back to school and study about their effects a bit more before flinging Lexapro/Zoloft/Celexa scripts at everyone who walks through their office door complaining of just about any symptom you can imagine. /rant

This. When I was in juvenile detention they had me on this shit, and my days flew by like they were nothing.

[Ihaveafatcock]

Originally Posted by PaperChasing

It helped, but it made me super super super anxious.
And sweat like a motherfucker.
And insomnia.
= more depression.

Ive been on for a week now.
Overall Id say the pros defiantly outweigh the negatives
I feel fucking great
i have a very hard time sleeping but dont seem to need as much of it.
I've also been diagnosed for anxiety. It doesnt help with that at all
Im asking for a benzo. maybe that will help

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by Ihaveafatcock

Ive been on for a week now.
Overall Id say the pros defiantly outweigh the negatives
I feel fucking great
i have a very hard time sleeping but dont seem to need as much of it.
I've also been diagnosed for anxiety. It doesnt help with that at all
Im asking for a benzo. maybe that will help

I find anxiety is much better addressed through exposure. I've been on tons of anti-anxiety meds, and I couldn't get benzos, so I bought them from a friend, and they help for a little while, but one, even with a script, you can't use benzos all the time without becoming dependent, and two, anxiety tends to be worse when you can't use those things when you try to use them as a crutch.

I'm far from being anywhere near "better", but I'm getting there, and any progress i make will most likely stick, and I'll have the satisfaction of know I did it on my own.

[Ihaveafatcock]

Originally Posted by Namaste

I find anxiety is much better addressed through exposure. I've been on tons of anti-anxiety meds, and I couldn't get benzos, so I bought them from a friend, and they help for a little while, but one, even with a script, you can't use benzos all the time without becoming dependent, and two, anxiety tends to be worse when you can't use those things when you try to use them as a crutch.

I'm far from being anywhere near "better", but I'm getting there, and any progress i make will most likely stick, and I'll have the satisfaction of know I did it on my own.

Dealing with social situations is much better for me than before. I still sweat like a motherfucker around people though. I worry about shit a lot and have had panic attacks on two occasions. thats what I want a benzo for.

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by Ihaveafatcock

Dealing with social situations is much better for me than before. I still sweat like a motherfucker around people though. I worry about shit a lot and have had panic attacks on two occasions. thats what I want a benzo for.

Trust me, my anxiety is at least as bad as yours, bordering on agoraphobia, still I'm not for the use of benzos to treat anxiety, as it doesn't TREAT the issue it masks it. Sweating and worrying and two panic attacks also hardly warrant that kind of drastic treatment. I have panic attacks several times every week, sometimes even daily, and yet I don't even think I'm in a situation bad enough that I'd need to be entirely dependent on something so dangerous.

And by the way benzos CANNOT be used as a crutch for anxiety, you can't use them every single day or even a few times a week without developing some kind of dependency whether it be physical addiction or just the feeling that you cannot function without it.

You can get better, or you can depend on a drug to mask an issue for the rest of your life, you decide.

But benzos aren't like preventative medication, you aren't supposed to take them everyday, and they do not treat anxiety, they mask it, and when you are not on them you will feel like you always did before. You can use exposure therapy and talk therapy as well as other coping methods to actually GET BETTER, the progress you make will very likely stick and eventually may take a few months, may takes a few years, but you will be at a point where you are managing your anxiety well enough to live a completely normal life.

By the way both excessive worry about some things and panic attacks are something almost every human being will experience at least once in their lifetime and hardly warrent the use of such a dangerous medication to deal with.

[Ihaveafatcock]

Originally Posted by Namaste

Trust me, my anxiety is at least as bad as yours, bordering on agoraphobia, still I'm not for the use of benzos to treat anxiety, as it doesn't TREAT the issue it masks it. Sweating and worrying and two panic attacks also hardly warrant that kind of drastic treatment. I have panic attacks several times every week, sometimes even daily, and yet I don't even think I'm in a situation bad enough that I'd need to be entirely dependent on something so dangerous.

And by the way benzos CANNOT be used as a crutch for anxiety, you can't use them every single day or even a few times a week without developing some kind of dependency whether it be physical addiction or just the feeling that you cannot function without it.

You can get better, or you can depend on a drug to mask an issue for the rest of your life, you decide.

But benzos aren't like preventative medication, you aren't supposed to take them everyday, and they do not treat anxiety, they mask it, and when you are not on them you will feel like you always did before. You can use exposure therapy and talk therapy as well as other coping methods to actually GET BETTER, the progress you make will very likely stick and eventually may take a few months, may takes a few years, but you will be at a point where you are managing your anxiety well enough to live a completely normal life.

By the way both excessive worry about some things and panic attacks are something almost every human being will experience at least once in their lifetime and hardly warrent the use of such a dangerous medication to deal with.

I love the way they make me feel. Odds are theres no way I'll get anything decent like that anyway.

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by Ihaveafatcock

I love the way they make me feel. Odds are theres no way I'll get anything decent like that anyway.

As odd as it sounds, I don't mind recreationally use of benzos, I just don't like the idea that some people try to use them to treat anxiety when it doesn't work as well as it could. If you wanna actually get better, you're better off without them. If you just wanna feel good and don't expect them to miraculously cure you, than go right ahead and use them.

Yeah, I know, I'm weird...

[mksnowboarder]

I didn't read the other responses, because stupidity annoyes me.

Wellbutrin is a fantastic DNRI. Helps with depression alot. Like someone else said, its up there with remeron (too many side efffects).

It cut me smoking 2packs a dday to 3 cigs a day. Course I stopped taking it after awhile, and now i smoke mad e-cigs, but it has valuew.

Also a fantastic CYP450 inhibitor.

Get it. I'm drunk, so disregard me advi cve

mike

[drBOX]

Originally Posted by Namaste

As odd as it sounds, I don't mind recreationally use of benzos, I just don't like the idea that some people try to use them to treat anxiety when it doesn't work as well as it could. If you wanna actually get better, you're better off without them. If you just wanna feel good and don't expect them to miraculously cure you, than go right ahead and use them.

Yeah, I know, I'm weird...

I don't think doctors prescribe benzos for anxiety as much as they do for anxiety / panic attacks which is a climax of that symptom. Anyone who has had them, particularly bad or intense ones will understand the importance of these kinds of drugs being available to treat these relatively short lived symptoms.

I started out on Wellbutrin but found that it made me spacey. One factor that I started it for was the smoking cessation effects- which are very real. I found that it literally changed the way the cigarette tastes (really bad) and wouldn't allow me to feel any cravings or nicotine absorption.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend it.

From there I went to Lexapro. It seemed to work pretty well but was inconsistent (or was I?). In the end, it didn't work as well as I would have liked. Before I stopped taking it I started having mad anxiety and panic attacks because of things in my life. Found that the Lexapro had little help in easing my anxiety- let alone helping with the frequent panic attacks.

The panic attacks got very- very bad. I eventually tried Lamictal and was given a script of Alprazolam (Xanax) on a needed basis. I'm not much of a recreational drug user and only used them when I needed them- a month long script lasting me longer and longer into my time using Lamictal. At first a bottle would last me about 2 and a half months or so, then about 4, now I've got a bottle that will last me at least half a year. I have no doubt that it'll be my last prescription for the stuff.

Anyways, I went off the Lexapro cold turkey, without my doctors knowledge (or obviously approval) and had some mad bad withdrawal and effects. Mental confusion, instability- it was rough.

Finally, I started Lamictal slowly increasing the dose (dosing at full w/ out tepid exposure can produce life-threatening reactions) to 100mg. I've found it to work wonderfully. Much, much more stable. My moods have dramatically been better- more stable. I'm more centered. Best of all, I barely have anxiety attacks anymore- and if I do, they're about a quarter as bad as they were, and I'm almost always able to remove myself from the environment and space out (calm down)- at that point I feel much better.

Lamictal is a drug used to treat hard to treat depression and bipolar disorder. It was originally developed and is still used as an anti-epileptic. Sooooo, my doc says I might be bipolar 2, but not so sure.

This has gotten way off topic

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by drBOX

I don't think doctors prescribe benzos for anxiety as much as they do for anxiety / panic attacks which is a climax of that symptom. Anyone who has had them, particularly bad or intense ones will understand the importance of these kinds of drugs being available to treat these relatively short lived symptoms.

As I've mentioned, I have panic attacks frequently, some of them pretty severe, but I found that using benzos only made them worse/more frequent when I couldn't take them, and it's not something one can take every day, really. Panic attacks can be managed, because once someone's anxiety level goes down some the panic attacks will become less frequent and less severe, so it's probably better in the long run for anyone with these issues to work towards getting better, rather than mask the issue with benzos.

[drBOX]

Originally Posted by Namaste

As I've mentioned, I have panic attacks frequently, some of them pretty severe, but I found that using benzos only made them worse/more frequent when I couldn't take them, and it's not something one can take every day, really. Panic attacks can be managed, because once someone's anxiety level goes down some the panic attacks will become less frequent and less severe, so it's probably better in the long run for anyone with these issues to work towards getting better, rather than mask the issue with benzos.

I'm not really sure what your point is.

I've had a different experience with benzos- they didn't effect the frequency and always calmed me down to baseline. I was still miserable when I wouldn't take them (when I wasn't having an attack) but they were never meant to do anything during those times anyways. Sometime panic attacks cannot be managed- that's the point. It's almost a purely physiological, physical reaction- pure fight or flight, etc. Often people who have these attacks literally feel completely out of control, sometimes like they are dieing.

Benzos aren't meant to 'mask the issues'. It takes time in 'the long run' for someone to work towards 'getting better', and this time can often last weeks months or longer. And benzos aren't meant to mask anything but the chemical imbalance taking place in the brain. It has sweet little to do with 'issues' as much as the attack is a physiological response rather than pure psychological one.

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by drBOX

Often people who have these attacks literally feel completely out of control, sometimes like they are dieing.

Our opinions differ, I'm not gonna argue anymore, but for the last damn time, I've had panic attacks before. At least every few days, if not everyday.

I know they're terrible, you don't have to explain or fucking talk to me like I've never had one. If you'd read anything I'd said you see that I've stated a couple of times I have frequent severe panic attacks, so stop address me like you're someone who knows it all so much better than me. You're not. Maybe you've had them fine, but I've had them to, so our knowledge of how terrible panic attacks are is at least equal.

[drBOX]

Originally Posted by Namaste

Maybe you've had them fine, but I've had them to, so our knowledge of how terrible panic attacks are is at least equal.

Just kidding. sorry, I don't mean to be speaking down to you. I think I'm just disagreeing of the means and ends of xanax in treating an attack.

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by drBOX

Just kidding. sorry, I don't mean to be speaking down to you. I think I'm just disagreeing of the means and ends of xanax in treating an attack.

You feel the need to explain panic attacks like I haven't said a few times now that I've experienced them, it kind of pisses me off. I get it, so what's the point? I could teach a class on fucking anxiety/panic disorders by now, I know the basics, the facts. Because we disagree on the method of treatment doesn't mean I know any less about it than you do.

[drBOX]

Originally Posted by Namaste

You feel the need to explain panic attacks like I haven't said a few times now that I've experienced them, it kind of pisses me off. I get it, so what's the point? I could teach a class on fucking anxiety/panic disorders by now, I know the basics, the facts. Because we disagree on the method of treatment doesn't mean I know any less about it than you do.

I just feel the need to explain because people (not you) don't understand in any way what an anxiety attack is. Things I've heard people describe as what they might think an attack entails is astoundingly inaccurate and lax. Furthermore it pisses me off when someone would advocate against medication for attacks without proper knowledge of their characteristics (not you). I imagine also, there's degrees of severity (which I'm sure you know ). I guess it's a choice best left to the doctor and patient (and you)

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by drBOX

I just feel the need to explain because people (not you) don't understand in any way what an anxiety attack is. Things I've heard people describe as what they might think an attack entails is astoundingly inaccurate and lax. Furthermore it pisses me off when someone would advocate against medication for attacks without proper knowledge of their characteristics (not you). I imagine also, there's degrees of severity (which I'm sure you know ). I guess it's a choice best left to the doctor and patient (and you)

When you're talking someone who has stated a few times that they have had panic attacks, you needn't explain any further. It kind of makes you sound like an asshole when you continue to explain to someone who has panic attacks, what they are and how they make someone feel, because believe me, I know.

[drBOX]

Originally Posted by Namaste

When you're talking someone who has stated a few times that they have had panic attacks, you needn't explain any further. It kind of makes you sound like an asshole when youcontinue to explain to someone who has panic attacks, what they are and how they make someone feel, because believe me, I know.

I was trying to make my point to others who might read this thread as well. Many people don't have them, have no idea what they're like ()- and I think it's important that they understand that they have no idea what it's like.

It would be like someone explaining drug addiction to me, something I practically seem to have an aversion to.

Also, I was trying to explain my experience with xanax and what I thought its role to be, which I disagreed with you on.

Originally Posted by Namaste

even with a script, you can't use benzos all the time without becoming dependent

Completely false. I and many others have used them as prescribed and have absolutely no dependence or ill-effect. In fact, the drug has kept be sane when I've been on the brink of insanity- literally. (and besides, who beside a retard takes them everyday?)

...maybe there's a reason your doctor decided not to give you a script ()

Originally Posted by Namaste

anxiety tends to be worse when you can't use those things when you try to use them as a crutch

Wait, what? 'When you use them as a crutch'? If you use it as a crutch it may be a problem. I wouldn't call it in my case, a crutch- as much as a necessity at times- and that only.

Originally Posted by Namaste

and yet I don't even think I'm in a situation bad enough that I'd need to be entirely dependent on something so dangerous.

The fact that you say this is the reason why I think you may have not experienced the bottom of the barrel of these things.

Originally Posted by Namaste

And by the way benzos CANNOT be used as a crutch for anxiety, you can't use them every single day or even a few times a week without developing some kind of dependency whether it be physical addiction or just the feeling that you cannot function without it.

WOAH THERE, just because you may find them quite addicting and get 'the feeling that you cannot function without it', doesn't mean I or others will.
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Originally Posted by Namaste

You can get better, or you can depend on a drug to mask an issue for the rest of your life

Originally Posted by drBOX

Like your next sentence 'a plethora of drugs'- like someone's gonna get doped up if they go to the doctors office with these issues, like it's permanent.

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Originally Posted by Namaste

As odd as it sounds, I don't mind recreationally use of benzos

Originally Posted by Namaste

and I couldn't get benzos, so I bought them from a friend

Originally Posted by Namaste

I don't even think I'm in a situation bad enough that I'd need to be entirely dependent on something so dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Namaste

you can't use benzos all the time without becoming dependent, and two, anxiety tends to be worse when you can't use those things when you try to use them as a crutch.

Originally Posted by Namaste

you can't use them every single day or even a few times a week without developing some kind of dependency

Originally Posted by Namaste

But benzos aren't like preventative medication, you aren't supposed to take them everyday

It sounds like you naively thought that they were something you could take once a day, and be straight with? Thank you for pointing out something you got so obviously wrong.

[AdMech]

The best progress with my anxiety has come from being forced to deal with anxiety-causing situations, as Namaste points out.

That said, I think benzos can be an excellent way to deal with anxiety; panic attacks in particular. People are always against using something as a mental crutch. Would you say the same thing about someone with a physical problem who needed an actual crutch? "You should be walking on your own, dammit!"

Sometimes you do need something to lean on. In my case, I felt like I could deal with these stressful situations better because I knew I had an ace in the hole: my benzos. And, after a point, I felt like nothing more could be gained from just dealing with my anxiety attacks, and I only wanted relief.

'Course, benzo addiction is no joke. They're not magical, but they're not to be sneered at.

[Namaste]

Originally Posted by drBOX

Completely false. I and many others have used them as prescribed and have absolutely no dependence or ill-effect. In fact, the drug has kept be sane when I've been on the brink of insanity- literally. (and besides, who beside a retard takes them everyday?)

...maybe there's a reason your doctor decided not to give you a script ()



Wait, what? 'When you use them as a crutch'? If you use it as a crutch it may be a problem. I wouldn't call it in my case, a crutch- as much as a necessity at times- and that only.



The fact that you say this is the reason why I think you may have not experienced the bottom of the barrel of these things.



WOAH THERE, just because you may find them quite addicting and get 'the feeling that you cannot function without it', doesn't mean I or others will.
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It sounds like you naively thought that they were something you could take once a day, and be straight with? Thank you for pointing out something you got so obviously wrong.

Actually I had a script for a while.

And jumping to the conclusion that I have found them addicting/have ever been addicted, whatever, is idiotic, as that's not even close to what I said. But I've seen plenty of other people dealing with issues get hooked when trying to use benzos to help them out, because benzos are "as needed" things, most people with severe anxiety may "need" them everyday, may suffer panic attacks everyday, and since they "need" them everyday to deal with those symptoms they end up taking 'em everyday, and that isn't a good idea.

And I think it's easier to just learn to handle a panic attack on your own, than be able to handle it with medication every now and then, because it's only going to make it HARDER to do it on your own.

I didn't get shit wrong, I HAVE NEVER taken any benzo two days in a row, or anything like that. I HAVE NEVER been addicted, but you sound like a real genius jumping to such conclusion.

From what I know of other people who tried benzos to "treat" anxiety, it doesn't work out so well. Does for some, sure, but most, from what I've seen, would be better off without such drugs.

[PaperChasing]

Originally Posted by meandmyself3492

From my personal experience, I wouldn't recommend it. Let me correct that, I wouldn't recommend taking any more than you're supposed to. The pill works wonders in it's prescribed dose, but if you decide to take an additional one, it starts doing strange things to your head. At that point in my life I had NEVER seriously considered suicide, but after swallowing three of those little fuckers I was laying on my bed debating how to end it.

Luckily I fell asleep before I came to a decision.

You fell asleep on a high dose?

[jator]

All this talk makes me want benzos. *reaches into drawer*

I've never been on wellbutrin but I've heard good things (seems like everyone else has as well).

Not a whole lot people get it prescribed over here it seems. A good start would be finding a a sane psychiatrist.

[Piles of Crack]

Just a quick note here, but I'm thinking that Luvox (fluvoxamine) might very well be making it into my rather elusive list of "worthwhile-antidepressants"-- 100 mg CR for the past 10 days has seemed to have quite an astounding effect on both preventing depression AND notably reducing my generalized anxiety. I'll keep you posted.

[AdMech]

A little off topic: I was given a half-full bottle of Remeron; it really helps? So far it's done nothing but make me sleepy, which is what I've been using it for. I was on Lexapro before but quit some months ago.