Moral debate on animal cruelty

[vnorberto]

I personally feel for certain reasons It is acceptable, and for others not.

For example, lets say there is a person who is about to go on a homocidal spree with a machine gun, and you magically have the option of choosing on what the maniac kills. Would you rather choose the maniac kill humans, which are worth more then the average dog,cat,bear etc. or worthless animals?
Now for all you treehuggers reading this I know you will choose they kill humans on something to the effect of "omg humans are evil etc etc", spare me the bullshit and grow a brain and a pair, please.
On the other side of the coin, I do not believe it is acceptable to kill animals for paranormal reasons, such as a sacrfice to your god, or a sacrifice to satan, or a sacraficice in the name of good luck, prosperity etc etc.

What is your view on this, please include details as I would really like to know.

ATTN MODS: DO NOT lock/erase this please, as I am seriously trying to learn as to why people bug the fuck out when animals are harmed.

[vnorberto]

slapshot : what happened?

[Slapshot]

It's not the target of this type of sick behavior that makes it revolting, it's that a human can find pleasure in hurting, terrifying, and killing an innocent and defenseless creature. This is why criminals who violate women and children are treated so harshly in prison and in society.

The main purpose of medical research and food production do not involve taking pleasure from torturing defenseless creatures. I have no doubt that some people in these fields take pleasure in doing so, but that does not mean that these markets are to blame for the sick fucks who need to feed their egos by dominating and killing a creature that has no defense.

I will never respect a man who thinks he's a tough guy because he can dominate a target that cannot fight, is unarmed, and vulnerable.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

slapshot : what happened?

[vnorberto]

cruelty would mean suffering, a swift death = no suffering right? so, with that definition in mind would you classify this as animal cruelty? http://tinypic.com/r/aypmiv/4

[Nerd Fangs]

Pigs have a comparable intelligence to 3 year old humans. Killing animals is fucked.

[Lysergic Rain]

Causing something, anything, to feel pain for no reason or just for pleasure is fucked up. But doing something like performing medical experiments on animals so we can develop new cures and save lives, nothing wrong with that at all.

[Lysergic Rain]

Originally Posted by ZeppelinRules

Pigs have a comparable intelligence to 3 year old humans. Killing animals is fucked.

Three year old babies can talk, use tools, ect. Pigs cannot.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

cruelty would mean suffering, a swift death = no suffering right? so, with that definition in mind would you classify this as animal cruelty? http://tinypic.com/r/aypmiv/4

Not at all. I would classify that as a human with severe mental illness. There is no reason to blend rats, unless your snake is in a wheelchair and has to drink his meals through a straw.

Blending rats is so.... 1990 You are epic fail at offending people.

[vnorberto]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

Not at all. I would classify that as a human with severe mental illness. There is no reason to blend rats, unless your snake is in a wheelchair and has to drink his meals through a straw.

Blending rats is so.... 1990 You are epic fail at offending people.

whoever is offended by that video is the one with the mental illness.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

whoever is offended by that video is the one with the mental illness.

...YOU ARE EPIC FAIL AT OFFENDING PEOPLE. Nobody is offended by something that was done a thousand times in 1992 ...especially with that cheap-ass radio-shack camera.

[vnorberto]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

...YOU ARE EPIC FAIL AT OFFENDING PEOPLE. Nobody is offended by something that was done a thousand times in 1992

i did it entertain my fellow zoklets in the blended gerbil thread. anybody offended by worthless test subjects/reptile food being killed needs a bit of rewiring in their brain.

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

Would you rather choose the maniac kill humans, which are worth more then the average dog,cat,bear etc. or worthless animals?

How exactly have you calculated the value of a human life relative to that of any given 'animal', aside from making a whole raft of anthropocentric assumptions?

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Cloudcat

What does anthropocentric mean?

Man-centred. No homo.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

i did it entertain my fellow zoklets in the blended gerbil thread. anybody offended by worthless test subjects/reptile food being killed needs a bit of rewiring in their brain.

Obviously you need me to tattoo "KCUF A SEVIG YDOBON" on your forehead.

[vnorberto]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

Obviously you need me to tattoo "KCUF A SEVIG YDOBON" on your forehead.

then why do you keep replying ?

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

then why do you keep replying ?

Because I'm on 2 weeks vacation and I have nothing better to do. Is that OK with you?

[vnorberto]

if only you knew.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

if only you knew.

I know that I'm drinking beer 24/7 and I'm pretty fucked up, but what does that have to do with blending gerbils? Were you going to feed them to your paraplegic snake?

[Ambient]

In terms of animal cruelty in its most conservative definition, there is no moral debate. That is to say, completley unnessacary cruelty. For example lets say you see a daddy long legs walking along the ground, you use your fingers to pinch one of its legs off. Concequentially speaking, there is no cost-benefit analysis here, because there is only cost. I say this because one who takes enjoyment of such things is ultimatly costing himself or herself.

I would apply this to any living entity, anamiliea, plantae, fungi, protista, monera. Somebody who has a thirst for regardless destruction is lacking in self-realization. That being said I am of the animal loving variety, perhaps a tree or two even.

[Slapshot]

Originally Posted by Killallthewhiteman420

In terms of animal cruelty in its most conservative definition, there is no moral debate. That is to say, completley unnessacary cruelty. For example lets say you see a daddy long legs walking along the ground, you use your fingers to pinch one of its legs off. Concequentially speaking, there is no cost-benefit analysis here, because there is only cost. I say this because one who takes enjoyment of such things is ultimatly costing himself or herself.

I would apply this to any living entity, anamiliea, plantae, fungi, protista, monera. Somebody who has a thirst for regardless destruction is lacking in self-realization. That being said I am of the animal loving variety, perhaps a tree or two even.

What if, and I'm asking this for a friend of mine, what if you have a snake who can't eat solid foods? Should you blend gerbils and put them in a baby bottle or spoon-feed it?? I'm only asking this because my dipshit friend of mine went ahead and blended the gerbils without any kind of liquid in the blender, and rendered them pretty much useless. Waste of $4 if you ask me + cleaning the blender.

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by Slapshot

What if, and I'm asking this for a friend of mine, what if you have a snake who can't eat solid foods? Should you blend gerbils and put them in a baby bottle or spoon-feed it?? I'm only asking this because my dipshit friend of mine went ahead and blended the gerbils without any kind of liquid in the blender, and rendered them pretty much useless. Waste of $4 if you ask me + cleaning the blender.

I am led to believe that only omnivores can survive and live in a healthy manner on either a pureley herbivore or carnivore diet. Considering snakes are all carnivorous, I would have to say I would consult and consolidate the sources alot before getting a snake. If I found myself in that situation I would be reluctant to feed it animals, as I feel that as the pets [human] guardian I know what is best for the animal. However I am pesimistic of this working out, and therefore I would see if I could offer a pure vegeterian diet, failing that a pureley insectoid diet, and failing that rodents... but all prekilled.

I would not feed anything to the snake live as that has the welfare of both animals at heart. I certainly would not boil or blend anything alive, probably I would chop its head off at the jugular where the two main artteries lie; halal style. But I wouldn't buy a snake knowing that I would have to feed it animals.

[SHARP]

Originally Posted by vnorberto

ATTN MODS: DO NOT lock/erase this please, as I am seriously trying to learn as to why people bug the fuck out when animals are harmed.

So far you've just been trying to piss people off, considering your history on this particular forum I'd strongly advice against something like that!

[JustAnotherAsshole]

I'm cool with killing animals for food and experimenting on them instead of ourselves and stuff like that, but we should avoid causing them harm unless it's necessary.

Good living conditions and better feed, too. The meat will probably taste nicer if the animal it came from didn't spend it's life unhappy, in pain and on a shitty diet.

[ShutMeUp]

Originally Posted by SHARP

So far you've just been trying to piss people off, considering your history on this particular forum I'd strongly advice against something like that!

Nah... Even if he is just trying to get a rise out of people - the thread's on topic and it has content.