Creating my own society.

[neon615]

I constantly think about this.
I want to start somewhere easy, say, an old, abondoned factory. Turned into a fully functioning city.
Of course, this would only be the start.
But imagine, 50+ people living in this place.. getting bigger constantly, and when its big enough, taking over the government.
What does everyone here think? Is it possible, at all?

[ThaRevenant]

Impossible.

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[CarpeNemo]

Honestly, probably not. Unless you make create a small country out in the ocean or something, like Sealand on a bigger scale.

Biggest problem with taking over a government, is that you really can't nowadays. The constitution doesn't mean shit anymore, nor do our "god given" or "legal" rights. The government can do whatever it wants, and has the resources to do so.

[el drewto]

Hell no. And why would people join your little cult in the first place?

[Syphilis]

Probably better to acquire a large boat and sail it to international waters, then do whatever you want on it. Illegal gambling, prostitution, drug labs, hydroponic cannabis grows. Like a haven for illegal stuff.

[SteamPunk]

You can't stop me 'cause I'm on a boat!

[v0x]

Yes, but you'd need a ton of money to start with. The most viable method would be dumping enough material in a shallow part of international waters to start an island. Then add more and more soil, and add flora and fauna, etc. until it becomes a real island. Then just build on it, and bingo, you have a new country. Better have a good plan on government, utilities, basic needs, etc. before doing it though, and have some way of defending yourself from others. That should only take about 20 years. Then you can stockpile arms and drug labs. Make drugs, sell drugs, expand island. Take over other islands that have been unclaimed by countries. That's the basic formula. You do, of course, need a couple billion dollars to start out though.

[Syphilis]

A bit more detail on my idea:

A couple of million $ (or a slick heist) would get you a yacht like this:

http://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/...5925/Australia
http://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1955/...1870014/France
http://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1956/...-2084488/Italy
http://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1968/...1401340/Greece

You'd take it to international waters, preferably somewhere in the Pacific, maybe a little north-west of NZ.

In theory, you should easily be able to make massive amounts of drugs without legal intervention. It's one of those things that would take a fairly large initial start up effort, but once going it has the possibility of making loads of money (if done right.)

[Bakayar]

Actually this is one of my future intentions, and, though i havent given it much thought since its not imperative, it seem plausabil, if somewhat difficult.

i was thinking of either starting on an island, or in a faild african state, the benifits of the latter i will explain if anyone desires, bearing in mind my current plan is rather long

anywho, youve got one person willing to help.

[whocares123]

see i would never want to do this because i think people would ruin it. just go build a unabomber style shack in the woods and live alone, coming into town to get drunk whenever you get lonely.

[313]

dude theres no fucking way...just...just stop.

[MasterBlaster21]

I would do this, except your going to get arrested if you do this in a factory. You need like a cave or to build an underground bunker somewhere (its cheap if you do it right)

All you need is food,clothing, shelter and maybe drugs depending on what policies your doctrine contains

which reminds me , you'll need some assinine agenda/doctrine/belief that people are going follow on the level of other cult personalities (Jim Jones, Obama, Hitler, Stalin Etc.)

[SHH]

Forming your own society is very possible. Taking over the government however, is not.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by el drewto

Hell no. And why would people join your little cult in the first place?

because the 'cult' offers protection and friendship? and it could be survivalistic aka post-oil peak world

Originally Posted by Syphilis

Probably better to acquire a large boat and sail it to international waters, then do whatever you want on it.

Was thinking more of building metal rafts and putting a bunch of them together aka that oceania project

Originally Posted by v0x

Yes, but you'd need a ton of money to start with. The most viable method would be dumping enough material in a shallow part of international waters to start an island.

Simply tie a bunch of tankers or somethign else instead of building an island that way.

Originally Posted by Bakayar

, the benifits of the latter i will explain if anyone desires, bearing in mind my current plan is rather long

start talkin'

Originally Posted by MasterBlaster21

which reminds me , you'll need some assinine agenda/doctrine/belief that people are going follow on the level of other cult personalities (Jim Jones, Obama, Hitler, Stalin Etc.)

it doesnt have to be 'asinine' thou

[TheJACKA]

Cartel yacht sounds like the best idea, theres a potential to make fucking MILLIONS.

What you do is get a few guns, convince 5 or 6 tall american blonde girls to come to japan with you. Go to a classy part of tokyo, and put them out as high class whores. In Japan, its more socially acceptable for men, particularly rich men, to engage in prostitution. After about a year, you should have somewhere between 1 and 2 million. Use this money to purchase a yacht like was posted above, and any left over money, invest in cocaine and heroin. From there, work your way up to being rich as fuck. Once your rich, theres no need to fight the government. Do what you want, and pay them off. Justice is dead in america.

[LiquidIce]

Anyone remember totse island? Hehe...

It won't happen. You'll run into the same petty problems as all other societies. you'll turn into the monsters you're trying to get away from.

Rawr.

[MasterBlaster21]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

it doesnt have to be 'asinine' thou

obviously not to the society, it should typically be based around such a such a cause and doctrine dedicated to the target populace...the true goal of these kinds of movements is strength in numbers because that's just how it is. the only variable that is going to fuck you up is what your doctrine is based on. You have to some how appeal to everyone, yet retain and apply your own values onto others in a subtle manner. All in all its just social engineering at it's finest but with the amount of ebooks available on the web today, this isn't that hard.

[Yodabutter]

This is completely possible, but you must adopt some kind of religion if you havent already. Theres a place called Heartland (i refer to it as the compound)about 45 minutes away from where I live, there are tons of people that live there. Its based around Christianity and run by a guy named Charlie Sharpe. They give drug addicts/criminals a place to live and get cleaned up in exchange for free labor in their farms. Theres a few stores and a laundramat, a autobody/repair shop, a steakhouse, a cafe, and a ford museum on site. They also own a big milk business. They also have a school to brainwash children. Check this link out

http://www.heartland-ministries.org/

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by MasterBlaster21

the only variable that is going to fuck you up is what your doctrine is based on. You have to some how appeal to everyone, yet retain and apply your own values onto others in a subtle manner.

Something as simple as 'no sexual puritanicalism, no elitism, no hierachy, no manipulative bullshit, and freedom as long as it doesnt harm people' isnt something that will fuck you up. Well not IMO. Then again i'd set that up as an idea/doctrine.

Also re. religion-well it'd probably end up attracting the 'new age' and religious syncretists as well as liberal christians/muslims/jews & eastern followers. not much of a conflict given they all believe in religious pluralism

Originally Posted by LiquidIce

Anyone remember totse island? Hehe...

YES

all those threads. didn't we simply decide to 'throw our lot' in with the buysealand folks (well I podted on their forum when it was up)

It won't happen. You'll run into the same petty problems as all other societies. you'll turn into the monsters you're trying to get away from.

Rawr.

I won't be a blatant hipocrite

[Bakayar]

Well, i choose a faild african state because, mainly, there is a larg amount of land to expand into, theres already some establishd links to the world and the nature of a faild state would serve my doctrain, or rather belife system quite well

to extrapolate: i wish to create a socioty that lacks the need for symbols, i know it seems odd but i have my reasons. the problem that is brought from an absence of symbols is that the people feel no unity, no need to remain a socioty, this i remedy by making the socioty warlike, have the entire base of the belife system pivot, though not entirely, on conflict against others.

this is the best use of the faild state, as international pressure will be non-existant because... well, T.I.A.

also the land is rich in minerals, and i intend to run the socioty in a proto-communist manner, so the minerals and resources are vital.

thats kinda the jist of it, and im trying to keep it short and focusd on the reasons for choosing an african state, but know that i do have the plan a little more thought out than what i presented. now that ive written it down it does seen a little foolish, perhaps. oh well, whatever.

[pleasure_to_burn]

I don't think it would be that hard to start an African Militia with a few million bucks. Take over a small, shitty country where they will join your side if you give them food.

Viola!

[LiquidIce]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

YES

all those threads. didn't we simply decide to 'throw our lot' in with the buysealand folks (well I podted on their forum when it was up)

Oh, I was talking about 'the other totse island' hehe, that one where we got together on an outside forum and discussed all the economical, political, ecological and societal issues in depth and then.. it all died down because island cost anywhere 2 mln USD an up . But we had it going quite well, 'twas in '06 or something.

[SLIM]

Why create one when one already exists. The first stepping stone to this is to round up a vigilante group with members who aren't afraid to fight for a cause.

[Idiot]

Creating your own society, yeah I have seen this play out before.

One piece of advice: DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL AID.

[Bender]

Originally Posted by Syphilis

Probably better to acquire a large boat and sail it to international waters, then do whatever you want on it. Illegal gambling, prostitution, drug labs, hydroponic cannabis grows. Like a haven for illegal stuff.

Now theres a profitable investment!

[SLIM]

The Art of War by Sun Tzu, Machiavelli's The Prince and Nietzsche's Will To Power. These will give you some ideas.

[pleasure_to_burn]

Originally Posted by slim-0v-derby

The Art of War by Sun Tzu, Machiavelli's The Prince and Nietzsche's Will To Power. These will give you some ideas.

All very good. You cannot forget Che Guevara's guide to guerilla warfare, actually a few of the totse textfiles would probably help as well. Some lessons in propaganda would also be in order.

[SLIM]

Che Guevara

..is a faggot.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by LiquidIce

Oh, I was talking about 'the other totse island' hehe, that one where we got together on an outside forum and discussed all the economical, political, ecological and societal issues in depth and then.. it all died down because island cost anywhere 2 mln USD an up . But we had it going quite well, 'twas in '06 or something.

Oh, that. I remember a bunch of threads on BI & SG around then

Originally Posted by Bakayar

-snip info-

okay

Originally Posted by slim-0v-derby

The Art of War by Sun Tzu, Machiavelli's The Prince and Nietzsche's Will To Power. These will give you some ideas.

don't forget those 48 laws of power and seduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_48_Laws_of_Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Seduction

Originally Posted by pleasure_to_burn

Some lessons in propaganda would also be in order.

learn from the masters-the channers and deviantart fags


also look at the themes of spanish civil war, ww2, etc posters and apply them to your ideology-e.g if you're leftist. use republican spain & anarchist posters as a basis and update. or make something fully new XD

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

Simply tie a bunch of tankers or somethign else instead of building an island that way.

So when the next big storm comes the hulls will crash together and the sinking tankers then drag the others down with them.

You're not exactly Captain Nemo, are you?

[nostrumfiend]

Originally Posted by Bakayar

Well, i choose a faild african state because, mainly, there is a larg amount of land to expand into, theres already some establishd links to the world and the nature of a faild state would serve my doctrain, or rather belife system quite well

to extrapolate: i wish to create a socioty that lacks the need for symbols, i know it seems odd but i have my reasons. the problem that is brought from an absence of symbols is that the people feel no unity, no need to remain a socioty, this i remedy by making the socioty warlike, have the entire base of the belife system pivot, though not entirely, on conflict against others.

this is the best use of the faild state, as international pressure will be non-existant because... well, T.I.A.

also the land is rich in minerals, and i intend to run the socioty in a proto-communist manner, so the minerals and resources are vital.

thats kinda the jist of it, and im trying to keep it short and focusd on the reasons for choosing an african state, but know that i do have the plan a little more thought out than what i presented. now that ive written it down it does seen a little foolish, perhaps. oh well, whatever.

A lack of unity creating a warlike society would most likely result in the original society splitting and warring with eachother and at some point symbols being created in order to differentiate the two groups.

Also, why would these people let you rule them in this communistic government? Africa really isn't as rich in resources as you think. Well, at least they aren't as easy to acquire.

And, going back to being warlike, how will you fund your army?

[SLIM]

You're all jumping in too deep. Start or join a vigilante group first to garner support for a good cause and take the trash out first, then you can concentrate on weaponary and weapons caching and forming a "militia". If you can find a troop who has been failed by the government then that's the ideal kind of person you want in your organization. Preferably turn your attentions to defence for people of your own race.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by el drewto

Hell no. And why would people join your little cult in the first place?

LSD ftw