Archived: Shoplifting Tips and Techniques

[Malice]

Originally Posted by 313

Hey who does?

I'm sure I have a much lower tolerance for it than most people. I mean even a tiny tiny adherence towards the bottom. For example, this would be unbearable:
http://www1.macys.com/catalog/produc...tegoryID=43703

What did you do for a disguise? I am thinking about using one next time I'm out. Any tips?

I have a cheap wig I bought off of eBay and 2 clear lens glasses I either got off of eBay and/or Amazon. They were about $10 each. Do a search for "clear lens glasses", "fake glasses", and "men's wig" on Amazon and eBay.

Something like these would work fine:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vogue-black-shor...item414f88aa45

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Modish-shor...item3f006f126a

In terms of clothing you can't go wrong with chinos or khakis and a polo shirt. Really lets you blend in and seem inconspicuous.

[StainlessSteal]

Originally Posted by spiralds123

Ok so the other day I decided to have a little fun at the LP's expense. I had found out there was a new LP that was startign work at my local grocery store, due to extensive recent losses.

After walking around the store acting sketchy, picking up items and putting them down other places, I finally decided on the item I was going to "take". I picked up the item and very blatantly put it in the pouch of my hoody infront of a camera.

After I walked up to the cashiers and paid for that item, and another one I was carrying around, but I knew the trap had already been set. After I paid for the item I chose to "steal" I put it back in my pouch, and as expected I was confronted by someone who grabbed me and pulled me back demanding the merchandise.

I pulled out the reciept and even called on the cashier I had just purchased it from, and starting causing a scene. Eventually the manager came over, and it looks like that store is once again an LP free store.

Actually this is a very clever way to flush out the LP's from your store. Then next time you go for a real steal, you'll be able to identify them and avoid them. This could work great in a WalMart, although it may require a few visits at different times and different days to sniff out all of them. This, in conjunction with the laser method 313 mentioned, basically unlocks the store for you. Now walk in with an s3 key, a Malice disguise and a little Scumbag swagger, and you are READY FOR PRIME TIME!

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Malice

My buddy went to a Sports Authority in San Fransisco. God that place is horrible. This one also had gator tags on a lot of the items, pencil tags(easy to cut off), but they also had magnetic tags, which I've never seen used there before. Hopefully all stores will start upgrading their tags, they're much easier to remove if you have a Superloc detacher. I've never even tried to remove a gator, but it doesn't seem as easy or fast.

Anyways, same old horrible security. I really recommend this place for stealing high quality athletic clothes and other goods. If you want stuff for resale try taking knives and expensive clothes. He got some ventilated under armour compression shorts because he's extremely picky about what underwear he uses and the only ones he's really found comfortable were the ventilated leggings, which have a similar design. He tried them on and can really see the difference. He can't stand having underwear creep up his ass crack at all, not even a tiny bit like most do. Doesn't know how ladies stand it. Wore a disguise again, stands out, but it's Frisco. Calms him down and makes him look much less malicious.

BTW, these are in high crime areas. So if securty's bad here it'll probably be bad everywhere.

Do you know if anyone actively monitors the cameras? Would using sleight of hand, picking up 2 of one item & slipping 1 in the coat sleeve be pushing it? It's cold & rainy here this weekend so coat wouldn't look odd.

[Malice]

I really really doubt they pay someone to actively monitor the cameras, but if they notice someone suspicious or the manager is that type of person then they may be watched. the employees are usually young people that don't seem to give much a shit. I doubt they'd do anything even if they were a bit suspicious of you. Go nuts.

[Malice]

There's still Dick's Sporting Good's, Sports Chalet, and Big 5.

Anyone know of other chains?

[ScumBag]

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[Malice]

Originally Posted by ScumBag

My other magnet that I now use is * THIS * . I have no issues with any Checkpoint Tag, and only a few hard opens on the Sensormatic Tags.

So, the homemade S3 key is now obsolete?

[ScumBag]

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[Malice]

I use a homemade S3 key made with 4 N52s from KJ.

My other magnet that I now use is * THIS * . I have no issues with any Checkpoint Tag, and only a few hard opens on the Sensormatic Tags.

Are you including spiderwraps as a tag? Have you tried it on tags that usually require a countersunk detacher?

[Dr. Wily]

my friend uses 4 of http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...08-N52&cat=168 in a two by two array for his s3 key and it works very well (spider tags included) and he finds it to be plenty small - more than enough room in his front shirt pocket and it can deactivate cases through his shirt. No sense in buying the real thing.

He does not have a magnet to remove magnetic tags yet.

NOTE: these are two very different things. The s3 key has a magnetic field such that it isn't useful for the task of removing magnetic tags.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by ScumBag

* * * Remember * * *
As a shoplifter you want to remain anonymous. Not to stick out with a bright laser light. What 313 did was not bad … take that into a larger store … then you are dumb enough to go to jail.

Shining a green laser pointer at domes is what Texas did when scoping out varies Wally World's. He was then able to eliminate which domes were real & which weren't.

[GreatToKnow]

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[DirtyHands]

A lot of dumb shit in here. I've been lurking around zoklet for a couple months and i started reading this thread. I'm a former LPO I've caught and been involved in over 400+ apprehensions. I know mostly Sears , Kmart and some Home Depot. If you have any questions about policies i may be able to answer some (i've been out of the loop for the past year) so i can give what i know, i no longer work LP. I got in LP because it was a fun cowboy type job. I wasn't in it to snag criminals or be some super hero faggot. I liked investigating and the adrenaline it came with. Hopefully i can help some fellow scum bags.

[DirtyHands]

Originally Posted by 313

Welcome DirtyHands. Im not sure whether to trust you yet because we have had some pretty bad situations with LPs before. If you are former LP however, how well is sears run? What are their policies? I have heard that they hire a pretty good LP staff for the most part. Any information on their cameras and technical shit like that would help a lot of people. Also, how many people usualky work there as LP?

I understand but i have no benefit of telling anyone here this information so , take it how you want. Sears , it all depends what kind of store it is , high risk / low risk. High risk stores are usually stores in neighborhoods or stores in an urban area. Low risk obviously low crime areas. A high risk depending on which kind of store whether it be a one level or 3 level mall store. A one level store , usually and old store if a high risk store it will run usually 2 staffed day time , that would be a LP manger and a loss prevention associate . Nights can be up too 2 staffed or just 1 LPA. 3 level stores you are looking at 2 on most of the time , 3-4 on Saturdays , or times when the stores will be filled. Usually a Sears is always staffed at all times if it's a mall. There are some great LPO's at sears but also note Sears is a lower paying company so they do hire some bozo's. Some Sears policies , They can't touch you anymore , also can not give chase. Under $15-20 usually won't prosecute , unless you are 16 y/o dick head with a bad attitude. Camera's many PTZ's , newer stores hardly have many fake domes. Most sears have really good camera systems.

[ScumBag]

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[Malice]

I know how the tags work, but I'm wondering if it opens all of them. There are some tags that have a nub that are designed for a countersunk detacher. Have you come across them?

[ScumBag]

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[leatherlace]

Originally Posted by ShadyLady27

What stores are good for stealing video games from that aren't Walmart?

Admitted to husband that I steal & he doesn't care as long as I don't tell him the details & I don't leave a paper trail (so no selling on ebay). Now, that he knows I can get shit for free, he wants Wii games.

haha, right on shady. i always had to hide my hobby from significant others, it sucks. try gamestop, some of the smaller stores. i used to get a ton from there, and my store didn't have any type of security devices.

[ScumBag]

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[leatherlace]

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[testerman]

ANyone ever pocket some items in a store and go outside to your car, to find the cops are pulling into the lot? did they follow you as your drove off of just stop and watch you and let you go? it happened to me yesterday but they just stopped their patrol car as I passed right by them, and they didnt chase me.

[ScumBag]

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[GreatToKnow]

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[hayden0103]

I haven't ordered 'em yet, but I'm planning to buy a 5-pack of these N52s. 4 for an S3 (I know a few people have posted about using less but I'd rather not risk being caught while experimenting) and one as a backup/for magnetic/ink tags. Like I've said before, I'm not much into clothes lifting (though I might if I can find a vulnerable store with clothes worth lifting) so all I really need is an S3 key.



I am not ashamed to say I was making lightsaber noises when I found this in the smiley list.

Last thing, how do you guys think a little social engineering would work against LP?

Ex: "Hi, this is Rob with Cornerstone Security. Corporate has hired us to do some independent security consulting and we need a little information from you guys. Can I speak with your Loss Prevention Team Leader? :asks questions concerning most watched products, camera placement, # of LP on floor, etc."

[StainlessSteal]

Originally Posted by hayden0103

I haven't ordered 'em yet, but I'm planning to buy a 5-pack of these N52s. 4 for an S3 (I know a few people have posted about using less but I'd rather not risk being caught while experimenting) and one as a backup/for magnetic/ink tags. Like I've said before, I'm not much into clothes lifting (though I might if I can find a vulnerable store with clothes worth lifting) so all I really need is an S3 key.



I am not ashamed to say I was making lightsaber noises when I found this in the smiley list.

Last thing, how do you guys think a little social engineering would work against LP?

Ex: "Hi, this is Rob with Cornerstone Security. Corporate has hired us to do some independent security consulting and we need a little information from you guys. Can I speak with your Loss Prevention Team Leader? :asks questions concerning most watched products, camera placement, # of LP on floor, etc."

LOL... would this be a phone call or a face-to-face? Truthfully, I think it would be highly unlikely that you'd get anywhere. Not that it's a bad idea, but I just don't see them divulging any information whatsoever. Plus, if they called your bluff - especially during an in-person encounter - I think it's safe to say you'd be fucked. Better to troll the lp forums out there and get information posing as a new lp learning the ropes.

[StainlessSteal]

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[DirtyHands]

Originally Posted by hayden0103

Ex: "Hi, this is Rob with Cornerstone Security. Corporate has hired us to do some independent security consulting and we need a little information from you guys. Can I speak with your Loss Prevention Team Leader? :asks questions concerning most watched products, camera placement, # of LP on floor, etc."

^^^ won't work they will ask for credentials..You know you can call most stores and ask for LP? If they won't personally take a call at first , tell the person answering store call you are local Law enforcement. If no one takes it there's a good chance no one is there. This has worked for a shoplifter i know.

[StainlessSteal]

Originally Posted by DirtyHands

^^^ won't work they will ask for credentials..You know you can call most stores and ask for LP? If they won't personally take a call at first , tell the person answering store call you are local Law enforcement. If no one takes it there's a good chance no one is there. This has worked for a shoplifter i know.

Hi DirtyHands, StainlessSteal would like to give you a dirty handshake welcome as well! So if I understand correctly, one would be better off attempting to extract security information over the phone than in person. And if the LP on duty doesn't pick up...???...

[DirtyHands]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteal

Hi DirtyHands, StainlessSteal would like to give you a dirty handshake welcome as well! So if I understand correctly, one would be better off attempting to extract security information over the phone than in person. And if the LP on duty doesn't pick up...???...

No one is going to tell you ANY security information over the phone , these people have district managers , so one call to them and it's not confirmed nothing would be said to you. I'm saying you can call a store ask for LP if no one takes the LP call even after saying you are Officer Cocksmoker from ___ Department...you do the math..there's a good chance no one is in the store , or on break.

[ShadyLady]

Dammit, I'm irate. My friend, Audrey goes to Sports Authority & picks up a circular on the way in & browse then goes to get a small electronic thing. She hides it under the circular then get some clothes to try on. Pull open the electronic thing in the dressing room & make sure there's not a sourcetag inside & put it in her purse. Try on clothes then put them back. Leave then go to Dick's to return the item. Cashier opens the item & says there's no pamphlet in it. I didn't know there was supposed to be one but apparently it was missing. So, for a $60 item she would only give me $45 in merch credit after consulting the manager. And the merch credit says it can't be used online.

[StainlessSteal]

Originally Posted by ShadyLady27

Dammit, I'm irate. I go to Sports Authority & pick up a circular on the way in & browse then go to get a small electronic thing. I hide it under the circular then get some clothes to try on. Pull open the electronic thing in the dressing room & make sure there's not a sourcetag inside & put it in purse. Try on clothes then put them back. Leave then go to Dick's to return the item. Cashier opens the item & says there's no pamphlet in it. I didn't know there was supposed to be one but apparently it was missing. So, for a $60 item she would only give me $45 in merch credit after consulting the manager. And the merch credit says it can't be used online.

I wouldn't be too upset. I mean for probably an hour's worth of work, you made $45. That's not bad. In addition, you planned everything out, and it seemed like there were no major hiccups (like at Lowe's). So go to bed tonight, my dear ShadyLady, with peace of mind...

[StainlessSteal]

Originally Posted by 313

WOW...that sucks. You should have popped a few buttons on your shirt for the manager and I'm almost certain he would've given you full credit if not cash. Women don't realize what they are capable of.

THIS...could somebody tell me what THIS actually stands for? I want to seem like a savvy Zoklet user, but for the life of me, can't figure out what THIS means ... or LULZ for that matter.

LOL..."full credit if not cash" 313 putting the e-moves on Shady

[hayden0103]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteal

LOL... would this be a phone call or a face-to-face? Truthfully, I think it would be highly unlikely that you'd get anywhere. Not that it's a bad idea, but I just don't see them divulging any information whatsoever. Plus, if they called your bluff - especially during an in-person encounter - I think it's safe to say you'd be fucked. Better to troll the lp forums out there and get information posing as a new lp learning the ropes.

Obviously a phone call, I'd figure that'd be apparent... if they called the bluff it's easy to bail out... using boosted cash to buy a prepaid phone with fake details. So, what kind of procedure would stores follow in a situation like this?

[DirtyHands]

Originally Posted by hayden0103

Obviously a phone call, I'd figure that'd be apparent... if they called the bluff it's easy to bail out... using boosted cash to buy a prepaid phone with fake details. So, what kind of procedure would stores follow in a situation like this?

Dipshit , No one is going to tell you ANY security information.

[hayden0103]

Originally Posted by DirtyHands

Dipshit , No one is going to tell you ANY security information.

Thanks, that's really helpful!

EDIT: Apparently, you claim to be an (former) LP with Sears. So, you should know if (and how) these types of things operate. Rather than throwing meaningless insults, how about you help out?

[DirtyHands]

Originally Posted by hayden0103

Thanks, that's really helpful!

EDIT: Apparently, you claim to be an (former) LP with Sears. So, you should know if (and how) these types of things operate. Rather than throwing meaningless insults, how about you help out?

What do you want to know most watched product? Craftsman , Men's jeans and electronics.

[hayden0103]

Originally Posted by DirtyHands

What do you want to know most watched product? Craftsman , Men's jeans and electronics.

Thank you. What I actually meant was whether 3rd-party security audits ever occur.