best handgun to get

[refugee]

need some protection, had to get rid of last toy for reasons unknown. I live in an apartment and get into trouble, whats most reliable for me? looking for that subtle yet powerful heat.

[Random_Looney]

May I recommend Bad Ideas?

[poast-bortem!]

My dad says, "Be a man, get a 44 mag, or a 357."

[Random_Looney]

Originally Posted by poast-bortem!

My dad says, "Be a man, get a 44 mag, or a 357."

In an apartment? That's the kind of thing you think about before parroting. I understand respecting your parents, but when you don't have the experience to make a rational suggestion yourself, you use some discretion. By the way, I love the way your father left the decimals out of the calibers. ;-).

[5.56 SS109]

Pump shotgun, 12 gauge, 00 Buck.

[Shulgin]

Anything strong enough for self-defense would run the risk of over-penetration. A snub-nosed .38 Special would work, but people like to pretend it's a lot more powerful than it really is. Being a revolver, you could store it loaded without the metal fatigue risk in the springs of ever-loaded magazines. It's also very small so you could whip it out fast.

[Freelance Tax Collector]

[b00m]

who needs a pistol when you can get a Assault rifle.

Just curious is the Walther p99 a good pistol? I heard the P22 was pretty crappy.

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by poast-bortem!

My dad says, "Be a man, get a 44 mag, or a 357."

With all due respect, your dad sounds like a fucking moron.

With a very small penis.

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by 5.56 SS109

Pump shotgun, 12 gauge, 00 Buck.

This unless you plan on wearing your gun with you then I would suggest the Glock 30.

[Carbonbased]

This chef recommends a cheep ass kel tec because I'm pritty sure you on a small budget. And load it with glaser rounds, in an attempt to reduce penetration into your neighbors house

BTW what are you needing defense from

[reggie_love]

Originally Posted by LSA King

This unless you plan on wearing your gun with you then I would suggest the Glock 30.

You may also want to try the 36, since the 30 can be kind of hard to grip for some people.

But above all, 12 gauge pump. Load it with 00 buckshot, keep out of reach of children, etc. It's not terribly complicated.

[refugee]

Originally Posted by LSA King

This unless you plan on wearing your gun with you then I would suggest the Glock 30.

yeah ill be carrying it on me a majority of the time.

[Groundhog whacka]

Originally Posted by reggie_love

But above all, 12 gauge pump. Load it with 00 buckshot, keep out of reach of children, etc. It's not terribly complicated.

Nope fuck the 00 buck. For home defense #8's will get the job done just as well and really peter out when penetrating drywall.

[LavaRed]

Originally Posted by Groundhog whacka

Nope fuck the 00 buck. For home defense #8's will get the job done just as well and really peter out when penetrating drywall.

Sorry to argue, but #8 birdshot will only make the assailant severly angry.
Unfortunately I know this from personal experience (as a witness, not the assailant).

.38 spl lead tipped hollowpoints will do the trick. And they will make a nice sized hole in flesh. You can even make them by boring a small hole in the tip of wadcutters with a dremel tool. Partizan makes nice .38 spl lead tip hollowpoints. Not fancy, but effective. And a .38 spl snubbie (I recommend S&W's excellent Chief's Special) will do the job, despite what the guy who called me an idiot a while back proposed. I should know. One of those is my backup gun.

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by Groundhog whacka

Nope fuck the 00 buck. For home defense #8's will get the job done just as well and really peter out when penetrating drywall.

00 Buck is going to rip his torso to shreds at a distanc and split him apart at closer range. Metaphorically speaking of course. Bird sot is just going to really anger the guy and will not drop him first shot uness you are lucky.

[Live From The Gutter]

FN mkIII .40

[b00m]

S&W M&P 15T

[The English Gentleman]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

With all due respect, your dad sounds like a fucking moron.

With a very small penis.

Smaller than yours, now that must be difficult if not nigh on impossible. Show some bloody manners.

[Struwwelpeter]

Get an SKS with the grenade launcher attatchment and some 7.62 blanks. Cement filled coke cans make wonderful projectiles. I have one and blew a wooden door in to splintered smithereens on an old abandoned barn on my friends land. It would definitely blow a human to fucking pieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDC7BzYeJL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGwy...eature=related

The recoil is really bad though.

http://www.bloomautomatic.com/

[Groundhog whacka]

Originally Posted by LavaRed

Sorry to argue, but #8 birdshot will only make the assailant severly angry.
Unfortunately I know this from personal experience (as a witness, not the assailant).

I'm talking home defense ranges, not 20 or 30 yards out.

[reggie_love]

Originally Posted by Groundhog whacka

I'm talking home defense ranges, not 20 or 30 yards out.

Birdshot might stop an intruder but it's really not all that great a penetrator. I was actually pretty surprised at how poorly it performed. The boxotruth is down right now, but you should read his review of penetration of various types of shots. You really can't get into the vitals after a couple yards out. Remember, Cheney shot that guy in the face and all he got was bruised in the long run.

I shot a madrone tree from about 5 yards away with #6 shot and it barely embedded in the trunk. A lot of the shot didn't even penetrate the tree. I wouldn't like that in my face, but only the pain and the shock would stop an attacker, not CNS trauma or organ failure.

Of course, point blank is probably another story.

[Struwwelpeter]

Stanley Tookie Williams used birdshot at home defense ranges. This thread reminds me of the .22 thread. All rounds are equally lethal.

http://web.archive.org/web/200512150...lliams0003.jpg

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[Random_Looney]

Lethality is considered an absolute. Either someone is dead, or they are not. Therefor, something is either lethal, or not.

All rounds are potentially equally lethal, however, statistically, they are not.

[Groundhog whacka]

Originally Posted by reggie_love

Birdshot might stop an intruder but it's really not all that great a penetrator.

That was my point. The average distance of a defensive shooting is around 10 feet. I don't care what size shot you are using, at 10 feet it going to put a big hole in something.
But any stray shot is not likely to have enough energy to do any damage after penetrating two layers of drywall.

[dawn_of_devastation]

Get a police trade in .40 S&W Glock 22. You'll save some dollars and still have adequate stopping power.

...and since you live in an apartment and don't wanna make a racket, pick up one of these:

http://www.gem-tech.com/BLACKSIDE.html

[-SpectraL]

Definitely a Smith&Wesson .50 caliber magnum. Just the breeze alone is enough to peel a few layers of skin off. You're living in an apartment, but any kind of gun going off in there is going to attract attention in any event, so you may has well make it good.

[adepti]

Originally Posted by refugee

need some protection, had to get rid of last toy for reasons unknown. I live in an apartment and get into trouble, whats most reliable for me? looking for that subtle yet powerful heat.

I would definately recommend an AK-47 or a M16-A2 assault rifle....that way you can destroy the whole apartment complex with one mag.

seriously though all you would realistically need is some balls and two fists against your punk neighboors.

[Yodabutter]

Personally, I use one of those novelty rubber band shooters made out of wood and a clothespin.