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12-17-2009, 06:08 PM
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1984 by george orwell
Anyone read it? I had to read part one for english class a few days ago and did but I have no idea what the answers to these questions are. Please help.
1. Describe Winston's job and explain why he really isn't sure if it's 1984.
2. How does the mentality of parsons son reflect the society as a whole.
3. Winson says of the proles "unill they became consious they will never rebel and untill they rebel they will never become consious" How is this paradox time?
4. How does the lottery work in 1984?
5. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength and there are slogans accurate of the party. why or why not?
help would be very much appreciated.
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12-17-2009, 06:23 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
Its been so long since I read it I can't really help you much. Try reading a cliff notes site.
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12-17-2009, 06:34 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
not ur personal homework army
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12-17-2009, 07:16 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
I know that, that's is why I did the questions I knew.
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12-17-2009, 07:21 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
ITT: No one here has actually read the book.
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12-17-2009, 07:22 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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ITT: No one here has actually read the book.
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I listened to it. Oh well that still doesn't count as reading the book.
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12-17-2009, 07:29 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
OP just read the fucking book (again), its actually really good.
All those questions are easily answered if you're even semi-literate.
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12-17-2009, 07:33 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
5. trying to install the concepts of Doublthink or something to that effect.
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12-17-2009, 07:33 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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OP just read the fucking book (again), its actually really good.
All those questions are easily answered if you're even semi-literate.
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No kidding. If you can't answer those questions then you did NOT read the book. Don't lie to us fucker.
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12-18-2009, 12:01 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
I actually think you didn't because I did I just suck at remembering what I've read.
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12-18-2009, 12:14 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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I've actually read it, though it is the only full-length novel I remember ever reading..
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12-18-2009, 12:52 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
Comrade Smith revises news articles as DFG said. He makes corrections in articles. As in he adjusts last year's chocolate ration so everyone thinks there is actually more chocolate this year instead of less. He removes unpersons but I think another department actually doctors the photographs.
The boy is the embodiment of the ideal citizen. Here is a boy that is willing to rat his own parents out if need be. Zealous, dumb, and malleable.
It's a paradox because to rebel the people need to be conscious.
Only small prizes were issued to keep people buying in. The real "winners" weren't actual people.
Your third question needs to be rewritten. The sentence structure is all wrong and I can't begin to guess what you're trying to ask. I'll try to answer anyway.
These slogans basically show how easily manipulated people are. This government is relies on the stupidity and fear(war) to get away with whatever they please. So yeah, those slogans are completely true for the party. The dumber the people the stronger the party because there is no one to resist them. The more war the easier it is for the party to stay in control(makes it peaceful for the party!).
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12-18-2009, 03:43 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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I've actually read it, though it is the only full-length novel I remember ever reading..
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Full length novel? That shit's only like 200 pages.
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12-18-2009, 09:28 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
It's a Novella.
It's a very good book. get over the "OMG reading is for nerds" mentality and at least force yourself through the first few pages.
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12-18-2009, 04:44 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Originally Posted by The General
1. Describe Winston's job and explain why he really isn't sure if it's 1984.
2. How does the mentality of parsons son reflect the society as a whole.
3. Winson says of the proles "unill they became consious they will never rebel and untill they rebel they will never become consious" How is this paradox time?
4. How does the lottery work in 1984?
5. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength and there are slogans accurate of the party. why or why not?
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1.) He works in the ministry of information and constantly edits old papers to "change history". Due to the fact that the party dominates all forms of information, he can not be sure of anything, and questioning the year was Orwell's way of stressing that point.
2.) Parson's son is a brainwashed tool who really buys into Ingsoc propaganda and believes all they say. This is represinative of the barianwashing of the youth as the most effective way to culturaly dominate society.
3.) Winston is saying that unless there is a revolution the information will never become "liberated" and thus the proles won't gain intelligence. But the revolution won't happen because the proles first need to become aware, and the only way for that is information liberated by revolution.
4.) Idiots keep buying it expcting to win and every now and then someone wins (almost definitley a fictional persona created by the Ministry of Information).
5.) Igorance is Strength: Only be collective ignorance can the party mantain it's strenght (and thus the strength of the nation).
War is Peace: By maintaning a constant stalemate of a war the 3 powers gaurntee that no one nation will ever gain any distinct upper hand, as the constant fighting requires each nation to pour whatever resources thay have into war. This paradox simply means that no individual power really poses a threat to the other in the long-term, thus war is in fact, peace.
Freedom is Slavery: Only through total obdeince to the party can an indivisual overcome the greatest of all failures: death. Through the party the individual is no longer a slave to death, for he will live forever through the ideals of the party.
Yeah, but you should probably read the book, you'll learn a lot.
If you turn this in as you're work you'll definitley get an A.
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12-18-2009, 04:57 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Yeah, but you should probably read the book, you'll learn a lot.
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Getting people on the internet to do their homework for you is no incentive to read anything.
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If you turn this in as you're work you'll definitley get an A.
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12-19-2009, 05:28 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Getting people on the internet to do their homework for you is no incentive to read anything.
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That was really a rethorical statment, I know he isn't going to read it/can't read.
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12-19-2009, 05:37 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Full length novel? That shit's only like 200 pages. 
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Yeah, whatever.. My point is, I hate reading books, but I've read 1984.
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12-19-2009, 07:23 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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That was really a rethorical statment, I know he isn't going to read it/can't read. 
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But you still did the work for him. That's just feeding his stupid.
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Yeah, whatever.. My point is, I hate reading books, but I've read 1984.
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Yeah, you're retarded. Okaaaaay, what do you want me to do about it?
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12-19-2009, 07:30 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
Here's the link for anyone interested in reading it. (including you The General)
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984
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12-19-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Yeah, you're retarded. Okaaaaay, what do you want me to do about it? 
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Not reading books makes me retarded?
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12-20-2009, 06:09 AM
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12-20-2009, 04:37 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
Julia's a whore. Who's with me?
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12-23-2009, 02:43 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Untrue, I think every wannabe rebellious teen has skimmed over the book, not really taking in the deeper meaning just to say they did. Then again, there wasn't really any deeper meaning.
1984 summarized: I was disappointed by the outcome of the soviet revolution. Listen to me drool my personal beliefs for 300 pages.
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Julia's a whore. Who's with me?
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Yah! High 5!
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12-23-2009, 02:56 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
his job is to fabricate news stories, the govt. lies about everything so he doesn't believe the year they say it is
parsons son is angry aggressive, and hates thought-criminals, and he excited to see the hanging. thats how everyone else is ???
what?
nobody ever wins except for the small prizes, and the large prizes are always won by someone in the "next town over" i.e. the govt lies, nobody wins.
just read the whole afterword thing about the slogan.
i really like the book also.
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12-23-2009, 02:59 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
I'd really read this book. One of the more thought provoking ones out there. It makes you think and once you finish it you'll become scared by all the parallels you see in todays society.
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12-23-2009, 03:16 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
You should read the book.
(There is sex in it  )
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One of the more thought provoking ones out there.
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Thought provoking? What's there to think about? Orwell basically spells out what you should think about his book for you.
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12-23-2009, 03:23 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
hay gaiz i think 1984 iz liek stuped. m i kewl ? ? u shud re$pect me nao
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hay gaiz i think 1984 iz liek stuped. m i kewl ? ? u shud re$pect me nao
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You're taking this too personal, just because I don't like your favorite teen angst book doesn't mean you have to get nasty. Now come over here and give me a nice man hug.
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12-23-2009, 04:08 AM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
This book is use by racis to justify hatred and fascism. I don't think it is a good one.
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
I got very good grades for my essay on 1984 and totalaristic regimes...
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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Anyone read it? I had to read part one for english class a few days ago and did but I have no idea what the answers to these questions are. Please help.
1. Describe Winston's job and explain why he really isn't sure if it's 1984.
help would be very much appreciated.
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well the answer to 1. is that he isn't sure becuase the government is always tampering with dates, times, and editing stuff to show the party in a positive light
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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It's a Novella.
It's a very good book. get over the "OMG reading is for nerds" mentality and at least force yourself through the first few pages.
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I thought a novella was about 100 pages.
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12-30-2009, 11:37 PM
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
The point of the book was pretty much: He who controls the distribution of information, controls the masses. Also, that propaganda will always win the mind of the masses. If the party controls the flow of information and language, then they control the very thought patterns of the people.
It was set with Stalinist Russia in the 1930's as the inspiriation. With "Big Brother" as Stalin, and "Emmanuel Goldstien" as Leon Trotsky. The switches in war propaganda was even based on how the Soviet press abruptly switched from having "the fascists" as the enemy, to "the imperialists" because of the MR pact, then they switched back again, then back again for the cold war. It was just an extreme version of what was pretty much happineng in the USSR under Stalin.
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Re: 1984 by george orwell
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OP just read the fucking book (again), its actually really good.
All those questions are easily answered if you're even semi-literate.
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this. it was one of the better books I read in High School.
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