Archived: Counterfeiting Money

[Professor]

Anyone find a good paper source that isn't newsprint or imported from China?

[TCdboy]

It appear receipt paper can be used check out this video!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...yyldED_0&gl=US

[11cent]

I just order some bible paper from UK. Should get it by next week.

[HDW]

Originally Posted by HDW

Hi all,

i have a liquid solution of water and NAOH (NAOH concentration is 10%)
also i have liquid Acetone.

if im gonna wash a 5$:

1-is the NAOH concentration good ? too much or too little? should i add water?
2- i know i just have to put the 5$ in the solution mixed with Acetone and NAOH , but can someone give me exact details? should the solution be 50-50 ? should i heat it ? how many minutes..

thanks for clarification.

I wont do any counterfeit, this is just for information purposes.
thanks

Mr omerta, 11cent, thunder and all pro's.. can anyone help me in the above details? thanks a million

[Akagi]

Originally Posted by TCdboy

It appear receipt paper can be used check out this video!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...yyldED_0&gl=US

Did you see the part where he got caught & ended up in a Mexican prison where he almost got stabbed to death?

[11cent]

Originally Posted by HDW

Mr omerta, 11cent, thunder and all pro's.. can anyone help me in the above details? thanks a million

Use purple power degreaser from Wal-Mart or Dollar General. Place bill in solution, and microwave for 35 secs at a time till ink loosen. Which will add up to about 10-15 mins. Let bills soak. Scrub with baby toothbrush.

[SuperGod]

Hypothetically, if you wanted to produce paper that felt of extremely similar to United States currency...You would follow the instructions below.

What you'll need:
Strathmore Newsprint
Elmer's Multi-Purpose spray adhesive
Consort Extra Hold Hair spray for men
Any ol' paper cutter
Hair Dryer
Any object that can be used to flatten
Paint brush

Step 1- Cut (2) sheets newsprint into the size of US currency
Step 2- Douse one sheet in the Elmer's spray, then right after apply the hair spray. Now you can use the hairbrush to spread the solution trough out your sheet.
Step 3-After the whole sheet has been covered in the solution, take the dry sheet of newsprint and place it on top of the wet one. (Don't worry if it looks like a mess, it won't look right yet)
Step 4-Blow dry the two sheets.
Step 5-Use an item to flatten your note.
Step 6- Use your paper cutter to cut any over lapping parts of your note.
Step 7-Blow dry your note again.
Step 8-Spray both sides with ONLY hairspray
Step 9-Blow dry again
Step 10-Make any minor adjustments
Step 11- Crumple the note, and give it a feeling of ware and tare.

Note: This method is best if you're printing older US currency, because it feels more worn

Also, this is all hypothetical and I don't condone counterfeiting.

[SuperGod]

You have ware the paper out when your product is finished. I.e crumpling it, rolling it around in your hand, then it will lose it firmness.

[TCdboy]

-Use 25% cotton rag 20lb paper to make it feel extremely real (Actual currency paper is unobtainable) -Print with Lexmark ink to retain the colors closest to the authentic bill -Do any image editing in gimp, because photoshop recognizes currency as currency, and doesn't allow printing -Cut the bills with a straight paper cutter -Spray the bills with hair spray (If you're a real piece of shit, and want them to hold up to a marker test) -Put a couple bills in each pocket of a couple articles of clothing, and run it through the dryer for twenty minutes -Microwave the bills (Optional. Heating them up will just cause it to stay permanently wrinkled) -Leave them under a stack of huge books (Over 100 lb's) for a couple hours That'll produce an extremely realistic spoof dollar.

Here u go people this is a just small overview to help u get started but your going still need to do your research because this is not a complete tutorial! There still some hidden tips and tricks!

[HDW]

i tried 10% NaOH and i was able to clean the bill.
ps: if u put it 30min, the money shrinks up.. u should put it 15min max..

anyway once it washed up, i tried to print using canon 280.. bad..
the concentration of color is not good, and the paper is
no more slik like a real money (if u touch the paper u feel its not smooth of slik anymore)..

[SBTlauien]

Nothing beats newsprint.

Here, pages of the phone book were bleached using two different types of bleach(back to back), then were connected using adhesive, and then rolled out flat while pressing body weight over them. They take the mark of the pen, and someone could print security features in between the sheets.

[TCdboy]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

Nothing beats newsprint.

Here, pages of the phone book were bleached using two different types of bleach(back to back), then were connected using adhesive, and then rolled out flat while pressing body weight over them. They take the mark of the pen, and someone could print security features in between the sheets.

Idk mayb how could one bleach this phone book paper? Cuz newsprint Of this kind is not easly source!? And
what kind of glue?

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by HDW

anyway once it washed up, i tried to print using canon 280.. bad..
the concentration of color is not good, and the paper is
no more slik like a real money (if u touch the paper u feel its not smooth of slik anymore)..

I think one would need two dedicated printers. One of them with only black ink, for the black on the front of the bill. The other one would be set to print the green that's on the front of the bill and the green that's on the back on the bill.

Printers use colors when printing black(for nozzle maintenance) and that color makes the black look faded and less rich. I would assume all black ink would look about right, but might damage the printer in the long run.

Try taking ink directly from the cartridge and smearing it on the paper, it should look much darker/richer than when printing black.

[11cent]

Bible paper is the way too good.

[11cent]

Originally Posted by HDW

i tried 10% NaOH and i was able to clean the bill.
ps: if u put it 30min, the money shrinks up.. u should put it 15min max..

anyway once it washed up, i tried to print using canon 280.. bad..
the concentration of color is not good, and the paper is
no more slik like a real money (if u touch the paper u feel its not smooth of slik anymore)..

Thats why it is best to start off with a clean white surface paper. When printing your bill onto the bleached bill you must lighten the background of your scan with photoshop.

[TCdboy]

Hey check this bust out it happened may 24 2012

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...lls-raids.html

According to the RCMP, the notes were so close to the real thing, the differences were “basically undetectable to the naked eye.” The investigation, dubbed “Project CRANIUM”, started in April.

And they said they were using a offset press but there's a inkjet primter in the pic?

I think they might be lying!
here's the printer

http://www.ricoh-usa.com/products/pr...id=41&pid=1555

Look like they were ising a hot foil stamp machine too!

More pics
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/images/...g-l/photo4.jpg
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/images/...g-l/photo2.jpg

[Ikazuchi]

Hi guys, could anyone with any experience counterfeiting Australian notes give me a PM please, tried to read the whole thread but it keeps side tracking to US currency


also what do you guys think of laundering the money through a casino on a busy night?

[HDW]

whats the machine between the inkjet and the hot stamp foil thing?
is it for watermark? how is he doing watermark?

[freedom]

@hdw the machine puts a band around the stacks saying how much is in the stack.

The hot stamp machine can only be to replicate the ovi ink!

[freedom]

Anyone recognizes the brand of the paper @1:14?
It is yellowish, non uv reflective paper.
He says you can buy at any store.

BILLETES FALSOS - YouTube

BILLETES FALSOS - YouTube
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[11cent]

Originally Posted by Ikazuchi

Hi guys, could anyone with any experience counterfeiting Australian notes give me a PM please, tried to read the whole thread but it keeps side tracking to US currency


also what do you guys think of laundering the money through a casino on a busy night?

Australian money umm... good luck.
No casino.They one of the best at pointing out counterfeit.

[Alexmon]

In this picture:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/images/...g-l/photo2.jpg
Those plates... I know the 2nd is for the frame of the note but what about the other 3?

We can see on this picture:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/images/...g-l/photo4.jpg
That the paper is already died green, how is this done? they would need a special type of flexible ink that doesn't go hard then using a roller coat the paper?

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by TCdboy

.
And they said they were using a offset press but there's a inkjet primter in the pic?

I think they might be lying!
here's the printer

http://www.ricoh-usa.com/products/pr...id=41&pid=1555

I'm not certain, but I don't think this printer would print fine enough. I'm not sure(because I couldn't find it), but I think it only prints 2pl. My Epson prints 1.5pl and it wouldn't do that great of a job. Some Canon printers can print 1pl.

Originally Posted by HDW

whats the machine between the inkjet and the hot stamp foil thing?

Looks like a money counter and wrapper.

[Alexmon]

I know what happend,

I bet they used the offset press to print the green on the paper then used the printer to print the frame.
Look you can see the page is mostly colored green.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/images/...g-l/photo4.jpg

[asdf123]

Ok guys. I know of a guy who uses butcher paper. He says that it's white, 40 lb paper weight, and don't suck up ink. It also doesn't react with the pen. He's trying to do the 2 sheets method. When the paper is glued, it's quite firm and thick, but he rubs the paper between his hand until its all soft and thinner. However, he thinks it's not thin enough. Any idea?
By the way, this is for discussion only.

[asdf123]

Ok guys. I know of a guy who uses a different kind of paper that has never been mentioned in this thread ( i do my time reading and researching). Its called butcher paper. It doesn't react with the pen, white, but thin ( about 40 lb paper weight). He did the 2 sheets method and the result was ok. The paper when glued together was firm but he rolled the paper in his hands and it got thinner and softer than before. He then printed both side, added the security features and the finished product was good. However, he wasn't satisfied because he thought the paper was still Not Thin Enough. Any idea?

[Alexmon]

40lb is too big. Get 20lb or something...

Make sure its 40gsm and use 2 sheet method

[asdf123]

Ok. So the guy that i was talking about also tried different papers. He used 2 types of paper and did the 2 sheets method. He used a piece of 20 lb southworth paper and a piece of 16 lb translucent vellum paper. He printed everything on it including the security. He said it was still NOT THIN ENOUGH. What do you think?

[asdf123]

I actually saw the butcher paper myself and even though it's 40 lb, it's no thicker than the regular 20 lb copy paper, plus it is immune to the pen.

[Alexmon]

asdf123 , use a hydraulic press to compress the page down, otherwise use thinner paper.

[asdf123]

My friend is using phone book paper for his artwork but it makes the image too dark. Maybe coating it with chemcial might help? FYI, phone book paper can obtained at mostly any waste company. They buy the butt rolls (the left over paper) and then recycle it. Go to a waste company and ask one of the associates there to sell you a butt roll of Any paper you want. They're awefully cheap. There you have it. Free tips for you folks. Oh by the way, does anyone know how to print on phone book paper?

[asdf123]

Alexmon. A hydraulic press is way too expensive to get one and obviously i won't be able to get one for myself. Do you know any paper that is 40 gsm. I have been looking around for a long time but only find tracing paper ( 25 lb, 41 gsm). That paper is so clear and can't be used. BTW, i don't counterfeit money. This is just for knowledge.

[Ezah]

I was wondering if anybody has any insight for my friend. he has an hp deskjet 5600 and the quality is amazing until half way through... he has the hd scans in photoshop cs5 and all the needed things to print. but the printer will not print.... he figured a printer made for window 98 n 2000 would work but no go.

he has tried splitting the image into very small unrecognizable portions, there are key points it looks for, fuck as the background behind the F in federal at the top and microprint pattern in the president. Color means nothing, he has tried breaking it into rgb channels with no success.

Being a software engineer, he is questioning the fact of editing the drivers for the printer to allow it to always pass the counterfeit check.

Can anybody tell me if this is a printer or driver function? i have experience in microcontroller programming as well so editing the code of the actual printer should not be to much of a problem.

i don't fuck with drivers much, if somebody could give me the needed driver files for the deskjet 5600 (preferably not an exe, preferably a code library or whatever it is using after exe extraction) I will do the drivers of your choice along with the ones you send me. I'm 99% this is an easy fix. Hopefully im not over complicating this though

Also, i know other ways of stopping the pen, but will 100% cotton pass the test? i dont have any I on hand at the moment.

[HDW]

how come no one uses something like this :

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/57...nter_pulp.html

or even maybe like this:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/39..._Currency.html

i mean i heard about all kind of papers pple using, but why not these papers?

[11cent]

Originally Posted by asdf123

My friend is using phone book paper for his artwork but it makes the image too dark. Maybe coating it with chemcial might help? FYI, phone book paper can obtained at mostly any waste company. They buy the butt rolls (the left over paper) and then recycle it. Go to a waste company and ask one of the associates there to sell you a butt roll of Any paper you want. They're awefully cheap. There you have it. Free tips for you folks. Oh by the way, does anyone know how to print on phone book paper?

The ink in inkjet printers will soak in to the paper. There are printers out there that print images and the ink does not absorb into the paper.

[Ezah]

I have an inkjet, on 100% cotton 24lb paper \ the ink is clear as day if its printed the right way, you can even see the micro print, but i havent beaten the anti printing yet except with a series 2001 twenty but i cant find a scan with high enough dpi :/

[11cent]

Cotton paper and telephone book paper are two different types of paper. Newsprint is known to suck up ink.

You will only get so far with inkjet copies.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by Ezah

I have an inkjet, on 100% cotton 24lb paper \ the ink is clear as day if its printed the right way, you can even see the micro print, but i havent beaten the anti printing yet except with a series 2001 twenty but i cant find a scan with high enough dpi :/

In the hypothetical situation, is the person printing black ink alone, or all of the ink?

What kind of printer?

[asdf123]

how come no one uses something like this :

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/57...nter_pulp.html

or even maybe like this:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/39..._Currency.html

i mean i heard about all kind of papers pple using, but why not these papers?

Dude! If people were able to get their hands on those they could have done it a long time ago. You see, you can only obtain this from online websites, which only ship in the minimum amount of tons at a time. How would you be able to handle all these paper without being noticed. If the U.S Secret service found out someone have currently bought these paper (they Always will), they will track down the person who bought it, and you're screw.

[asdf123]

I have an inkjet, on 100% cotton 24lb paper \ the ink is clear as day if its printed the right way, you can even see the micro print, but i havent beaten the anti printing yet except with a series 2001 twenty but i cant find a scan with high enough dpi :/

You should scan both old and new series of the 20. Than use photoshop and copy the security features of the new one and paste it into the old one. Try that and see what happen. Otherwise, stick with the old series version.
For informational purpose only.