Archived: Tools of the Trade

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Originally Posted by Ben Katz

I can remember seeing something about a "countersunk detacher" and I cannot find it anymore. I am looking for the kind of tag that they use at The Gap which merely requires a magnet to offset the pin mechanism.

I just bought a bunch of high powered magnets from my local science store...these magnets have to be powerful, because I just got a huge blister from a couple of the magnets pinching the hell out of my fingers. It hurt like a mother!!

Does anyone know of a link about how to make your own detacher (much like a countersunk)...Any tutorials would be great...

well i know that the magnetic detacher issue has been covered multiple times between here and the SL thread so im sure it wont be hard to find what magnet you need. you could always just go to vinipooh...

[Syphilis IV]

Good thread.

[dagonxx]

Originally Posted by Syphilis IV

Good thread.

The best. The homemade magnet key is unbelievable.

[spiralds123]

A friend of mine used to work at Toys-R-Us. Over that time he collected probably about 40 box cutters, they are razor blades in a mounted piece of steel with a covering. These I find are very good for opening a package in a hurry, fairly silently as well.



You can buy them from Office Depot here:

http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...er-Box-Cutter/

Do what you wish with this information, I am not liable for how you use it.

[ataraxic]

awesome information thanks!

[dagonxx]

Originally Posted by spiralds123

A friend of mine used to work at Toys-R-Us. Over that time he collected probably about 40 box cutters, they are razor blades in a mounted piece of steel with a covering. These I find are very good for opening a package in a hurry, fairly silently as well.



You can buy them from Office Depot here:

http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...er-Box-Cutter/

Do what you wish with this information, I am not liable for how you use it.

I prefer to use this x-acto knife I stole from Staples. It's scary sharp, vut myself pretty bad a couple times.

http://www.staples.com/X-Acto-Gripster-Knife/product_428854?cmArea=SC1:CG821P4141:CL162329

[spiralds123]

Originally Posted by dagonxx

I prefer to use this x-acto knife I stole from Staples. It's scary sharp, vut myself pretty bad a couple times.

http://www.staples.com/X-Acto-Gripster-Knife/product_428854?cmArea=SC1:CG821P4141:CL162329

Yeah, I have a few of those kicking around in my house as well. I haven't used them for anything since their my dad's and he uses them for his job, but I may try and see if they can cut things quickly and silently, the same way the box cutters can.

Another reason I don't use them is because I'm only home during the weekdays, and I'm in at at my friend's Thursday-Sunday, and that's the time when other people tend to shoplift, or so I hear.

[FrY]

GONE
Good read thanks.

[spiralds123]

So does anyone else have any slick inventions or devices they use to SL better?

[Malice]

I used to have a scalpel with a retractaway handle I bought on Ebay, but lost it after conning the cops into thinking they had never arrested me(worth it). I still have a box of scalpels, I just need to get another handle. Just kidding, that never happened. I don't admit to crimes.
Now I use an exacto blade. The cap that came with it fucking sucks though. What I did was use a pen cap with the protrusion cut off. It works much better.

[spiralds123]

Originally Posted by Malice

I used to have a scalpel with a retractaway handle I bought on Ebay, but lost it after conning the cops into thinking they had never arrested me(worth it). I still have a box of scalpels, I just need to get another handle. Just kidding, that never happened. I don't admit to crimes.
Now I use an exacto blade. The cap that came with it fucking sucks though. What I did was cut off the protrusion off of a pen cap and use that. It works much better.

I would call that a fair trade.

[vinipooh123@gmail]

[Ben Katz]

Well. Without much help regarding the countersunk detachers, I took matters into my own hand, went to ace hardware; bought some of their "super magnets" put about nine of them together and tried it out on one of those tags that requires a powerful magnet to open and it worked swimmingly. I didn't SL anything, but I treated it more like a reconnaissance mussion and I was totally surprised how easily it opened.

I noticed when I placed the magnet on the tag; it had a very powerful attraction, which is what I never had with previous attempts with less superior magnets. I am not too keen on the inner workings of these tags but it was obvious (from the noises I heard it make) that something was moving the mechanism inside the tag. (Success!!!!)

After I had a positive outcome; I was very tempted to try it out, but I just wasn't comfortable
with who saw me enter the dressing room at that time. I just bought a few pairs of jeans and went on my way.

If you want more info on the magnets; I just found them at Ace Hardware in my area. They come pretty small; however, I purchased the magnets that were about a centimeter in diameter (maybe bigger) and perhaps about 2 or 3 millimeters thick. There are smaller ones that I bought, but they just didn't have enough pull. They weren't expensive at all and they are (no hyperbole here) SUPER STRONG!! I can't tell you how many times I was pinched messing around with these things and now I have a few blisters to remember them by. I'm not exactly sure that you need NINE magnets to do the job, but that is what I bought. I stacked them 3 at a time with a spacer in-between every three. They were also SUPER FUN to play with. I could place magnets on top of my palm and place some underneath and they would attract each other as if there was nothing in between them. Very cool, indeed. Oh, btw, the magnets that I bought were in a clear plastic package labeled, "Super Magnets" and came in sets of 3. There are some that come in sets of 6, but those were too small; they were powerful, but just didn't have the surface area of magnetism; if there is such a thing?

Now, I have been asking about what works (and what doesn't) and I have heard nothing but "CONTACT VINNIPOOH!!!!" and guess what; I just heard back from him (via PM) telling me "not to be a cheapskate" and BUY his product. I wasn't in some small-time store either and these worked without ANY TROUBLE!!!! I will let you all know that if you are resourceful enough and have some ability to "think outside the box" you will NOT have to go through VINNIPOOH and buy his overinflated products to do your handiwork.

I am also having MUCH success with a skinny screwdriver that I fashioned into my own personal sensormatic tag detacher. Vinni's detacher: $50.....My screwdriver: $3.00 The drill attachment I used to grind it down: $2.00....Attempts to get it right: About 10. The satisfaction of knowing that I don't need to buy Vinni's products: PRICELESS!!!!!!

Sorry to be so negative on Vinni; I know that he has been super helpful and delivers the goods that do the job, but I am just here to tell you all that you don't need to go out and spend all that money on those proprietary items. Just use your head and you can do it....

[ShadyLady]

Getting ink tags off- Can anyone verify this works?

==Ink tags==
A Sensormatic Ink Tag

These tags are often found in clothing stores. It is for what is called "benefit denial." What this means is if the tag is pulled apart it will spray ink all over the clothes as well as the person's hands. There are two ways to get them off, one is to try and protect the clothing as you rip it off, but it is not a good idea.
The other way you can get them off is with a radially magnetised NdFeB magnet. There is only one site that sells them. To use it, put it on the "cone" of the tag and it should come off.
Ink tags occasionally have rfid chips in them but in stores that do not have any towers and only rely on inktags, they can be removed from the store.

[Ben Katz]

I didn't try this with an "ink tag" specifically. (I will tomorrow though) and I am guessing that it will be just as successful.

[Malice]

Try to see what the minimum amount of magnets you need stacked is.

[Ben Katz]

I need to amend my original measurements of the magnets I used.

Type: Neodynium (sp?)
Class: Unknown; it is not indicated on the package. It just says, "These magnets are super strong; not recommended for children!" Basically, there is no "N" number given; which is what I have noticed from a few descriptions of magnets on this site.

Dimensions:
Diameter: About 1.7 or 1.8 centimeters
Thickness: About 2 to 3 millimeters.

I have all my magnets with me right now and the particular brand that I bought had 3 sizes. One of which was about 7 cm (diameter) another that was 1.1 cm (diameter) and the one I just indicated above. They all have the same relative thickness of about 2 to 3 mm.

Again...there is no need to buy the countersunk magnets from vinnipooh; don't waste your money...you're not being a cheapskate; you are just being resourceful when you don't have to rely on buying overpriced security gear from him.

[ScumBag]

GONE

[Ben Katz]

yup, that is exactly it!!!!

[Ben Katz]

Ok, I just went on another reconnaissance mission and this time I did a little research on "ink tags" (of ALL sorts) and the results were the same. I had NO PROBLEM opening ink tags.

I used the same number of magnets and it was super easy. I even got as bold as to "palm" the magnets and just hold it up to the ink tag as I pulled on the other end and it released as if there was nothing holding it in; as I was walking around the store. (No dressing room nonsense...)

As Darth Vader would say...."All too easy...."

[Malice]

Try to find out what the minimum amount of magnets you need is next time.

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by Malice

Try to find out what the minimum amount of magnets you need is next time.

Yes, I tried the same number, but I forgot to mention that I used as few as four and it still worked.

[Ben Katz]

Has anyone else out there tried it with their own magnets? I'd love to know if it isn't just a "fluke"....

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

Has anyone else out there tried it with their own magnets? I'd love to know if it isn't just a "fluke"....

I've gotten supertags off w/an N50 magnet but it didn't work on ink tags
Ordered the ring magnet listed in the main post to try on ink tags. Will see how that works.

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by ShadyLady27

I've gotten supertags off w/an N50 magnet but it didn't work on ink tags
Ordered the ring magnet listed in the main post to try on ink tags. Will see how that works.

I don't know if you are using the right kind...I was able to get ink tags off quite easily...

[PEEPLUSEM]

harddrive magnets will work.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

I don't know if you are using the right kind...I was able to get ink tags off quite easily...

In what stores did you get the inktags off? This N50 magnet:

http://www.magnet4less.com/product_i...roducts_id=160

didn't work on inktags in Macys but worked on Supertags in Gap. Ordered this magnet:

http://www.supermagnetman.net/produc...f1a371980572a7

which is listed on the first page of this thread as working with ink tags. With shipping it was only $7.50 Should be getting it in the mail tomorrow. Will post if it works on ink tags.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

I don't know if you are using the right kind...I was able to get ink tags off quite easily...

Is there a trick to it? I tried placing my magnet on different parts of the ink tag & that shit wouldn't come off!

[AMSTERDAM]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

Has anyone else out there tried it with their own magnets? I'd love to know if it isn't just a "fluke"....

I tried with a stack of 5 magnets (2 centimeter in diameter and 3 millimeter thickness each). Did not work on any kind of tags.

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by AMSTERDAM

I tried with a stack of 5 magnets (2 centimeter in diameter and 3 millimeter thickness each). Did not work on any kind of tags.

What store were you at? I've had nothing but success...Are you using the same brand that I suggested?

[AMSTERDAM]

At some stores in the Netherlands, since I live there. And no, not the same brand.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

What store were you at? I've had nothing but success...Are you using the same brand that I suggested?

Have you tried it on those UFO shaped magnetic tags they use at Macy's?

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by Malice

Have you tried it on those UFO shaped magnetic tags they use at Macy's?

I will go to Macy's tomorrow and check it out...I've tried it on a UFO-shaped tag from another store and it worked well...Perhaps you aren't using enough.

[Malice]

I haven't tried it yet, I was just wondering. At the store I went to I only say them on 7 for All Mankind jeans. IIRC some of them were about $180.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

I will go to Macy's tomorrow and check it out...I've tried it on a UFO-shaped tag from another store and it worked well...Perhaps you aren't using enough.

I'm dying to know if it'll work! I'm planning on doing most of my (hypothetical) lifting from Macys.

Originally Posted by Malice

I haven't tried it yet, I was just wondering. At the store I went to I only say them on 7 for All Mankind jeans. IIRC some of them were about $180.

High end jeans like 7 for All Mankind, Citizens of Humanity, Jbrand, Joes, etc really sell! The ink tags are on other high end stuff like Ralph Lauren, etc. Get those ink tags off & you could prob sell those jeans for maybe $100 on ebay (not sure of the exact going rate).

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

I will go to Macy's tomorrow and check it out...I've tried it on a UFO-shaped tag from another store and it worked well...Perhaps you aren't using enough.

Did you lift anything from Macys? Do they use RFID tags, too? Thanks.

[Malice]

I've only seen inktags, supertags and supertags IIs at Macy's. I wasn't able to get the supertag IIs off. If it seems that your hook isn't working on any of the tags just focus on one item. Regular supertags are usually really easy to get off.

[ShadyLady]

Finally ordered a vinni hook. I was being cheap, using a N50 magnet but stupid magnet would only take off Gap tags. I guess they used the easiest to open supertags. Tried magnet on tags in Express, American Eagle & Macys, did not work on any of them.

Learned my lesson not to be cheap. Vinni dropped the price of the hooks from $50 to $35. Hook will pay for itself quickly.

*NOT affiliated with Vinnipooh in anyway*

[GreatToKnow]

Originally Posted by Malice

I've tried buying them online using a fake business name and the address of a business that I've had tied to my debit card, it didn't work. I haven't heard of any site that doesn't require this.

My friend brought one seven days ago online from a retail security website she did not even put that she is a business owner and had it sent to her home and it took 48 hours to get there

There are websites that sell them to the public its knowing where and how to find them

[ShadyLady]

To disable up soft tag (tags sewn onto clothing, usually in the inside of the garment, on the right side)- take a needle & poke it through tag but don't poke it through to the other side. You want the needle inside the tag & poke it all around to shred the metal threads. If you don't plan on reselling or returning the item, then you can shred the tag with a blade which is much quicker.

If you want to steal from Gap, Gap Oulet or Old Navy, 6 of these magnets (2 packs) stacked with remove their shitty supertags (no hole for hook): http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...origkw=magnets Can be bought at Ace Hardware so no ordering online & waiting crap.