I just bought a regular alpha s3 key for myself :/
Can you link instructions on making your own alpha detacher? All the ones I find on it are deleted or junk. Thank you!
I just bought a regular alpha s3 key for myself :/
Can you link instructions on making your own alpha detacher? All the ones I find on it are deleted or junk. Thank you!
i'll get it together here in a moment and will edit this out!
but for starters there are 2 different methods/ both require you to order the magnets 4 or 8 is the difference
If you can find N52 in 3/4 x 3/8 x 1/4 (length x width x height) thats the size an original alpha s3 key are
Prefered are N52 here http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...84-N52&cat=168 <--- these are bigger than an original alpha s3 but work! thanks SHADYLADY!
first go to http://www.magnet4less.com and lookup
Neodymium Magnets N42 0.75" x 0.375"x 0.25" Thick NdFeB Block Rare Earth Magnets or
Neodymium Magnets N42 Block 3/4 in x 3/8 in x 1/4 in
Identifying The Poles Of Neodymium Magnets
There are 3 different ways in which you can identify the poles of Neodymium magnets.
The simplest way is to use another Neodymium magnet that is already marked. By virtue of magnetic properties, the North Pole of the marked magnet will attract the North Pole of the unmarked Neodymium magnet and repel the South Pole.
Take a compass and bring it close to the Neodymium magnet you want to mark. The North Pole of the compass will be attracted to the South Pole of the Neodymium magnet and repelled by the North Pole.
Take a magnet and dangle it by a string so that it is freely rotating. The North Pole of the magnet will be the one that points north.
your right and i prefer those... i'm going to update the links in my post with yours... n52 is always better! 26.2 lbs pull vs the 14lbs
do you remember the polarity config?
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your right and i prefer those... i'm going to update the links in my post with yours... n52 is always better! 26.2 lbs pull vs the 14lbs
do you remember the polarity config?
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Here's the original tools of the trade from the first page. *Not written by me*
For informational purposes only. I cannot be held liable for anyone else's actions. This information does not reflect me in any way, and it is only here to entice idiots to do stupid things for lulz.
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==Stickers== Sensormatic StickerRf Sticker
Stickers are the cheapest and cheapest system for a storekeeper to use. They are normally deactivated at the registers when one purchases items. sensormatic tags are demagnetized and rfid chips are fried by a low power EMP. When not deactivated, they alert the towers at the doors.
Fortunately, these are the easiest things to disable. With a sensormatic tag, it should be demagnetized but it is much easier to just peel it off. Rfid chips can be destroyed by ruining their spiral antenna. All it takes is one slice through the sticker with a razor blade.
"Source Tagging" is when these stickers are inside the package. Often they are inside small things like dremel bits. Electronics are nearly always source-tagged. Disks usually are as well. If you suspect a tag, the only way to remove the item is to pen the package. They have now started appearing inside battery compartments of electronics too so be observant.
==Ink tags== A Sensormatic Ink Tag
These tags are often found in clothing stores. It is for what is called "benefit denial." What this means is if the tag is pulled apart it will spray ink all over the clothes as well as the person's hands. There are two ways to get them off, one is to try and protect the clothing as you rip it off, but it is not a good idea.
The other way you can get them off is with a radially magnetized NdFeB magnet. There is only one site that sells them. To use it, put it on the "cone" of the tag and it should come off.
Ink tags occasionally have rfid chips in them but in stores that do not have any towers and only rely on ink tags, they can be removed from the store.
==Gator Tags== A sensormatic gator tag.
Gator tags are one of the few tags to be removed by force. They do not contain ink but do have a rfid inside them. To remove them, you need to take two pliers (not needle nose) and grab the "flares" on the tag and bend away from the pin. It will then come apart.
Most people just use snippets though, it is your choice because both methods are unwieldy. The good thing is that gator tags are being replaced by;
==Super Tags== 2 sensormatic Super Tags
Super tags are permanently magnetized tags that latch onto clothing with a pin. They are especially hard to remove from the store. They only work with towers so if you see them in a store you can bet your ass that they have towers, even hidden.
There are two ways to remove these. Novices often use pliers but they are large and unwieldy. Clippers make a loud pop when they cut. Therefore, the best solution is to use what is called a sensormatic hook. I'm not going to explain much about them here because Vinipooh does a great job on it in his video. He also sells them, email him at vinipooh123@gmail.com.
==Alpha Products==
Alpha products are opened with what is called an S3 key. Vinipooh sells "real" ones but they are very easy (and cheaper) to make. It is an essential tool.
To make a key you need four N50 NdFeB magnets in the size available here. They are arranged in a 2x2 array. DO NOT LET THE MAGNETS SLAM TOGETHER; they are very fragile and will shatter like glass. Below i have a picture of a homemade key. This key is wrapped in electrical tape to protect the magnets.
Alpha uses a locking system called s3. It is a magnetic latch and its operation is better explained by a diagram.
==Alpha Keeper Case== An alpha disk caseAn alpha keeper box.
Alpha keepers are often used to protect dvds and video games from walking away, but they are easy to remove with a key. They contain a little rfid that alarms the towers like the sticker tags. On the bottom of the case a little metal spring is easily visible. Putting the magnet flush under that allows the latch to side and the case to open. On the larger keeper boxes, the bottom is opaque so it is a little harder to find the "sweet spot" but slide the magnet all around the bottom while and when you find it, you will hear clicks.
Alpha Product Hooks An alpha product hook
Alpha hooks are the locking hooks that products are hung on. The products cannot be removed without a sales associate. These are fairly easy to open too. Simply place your key flush to the flat spot atop the front of the hook. Slide it around a little bit to find the sweet spot. It isn't too hard to find and once it's found, the front lock slides off/open.
Spider Wraps A 3 alarm Spider Wrap.
Spider wraps are another alpha product. There is one thing you should never do. DO NOT CUT THE WIRES. It will release a noise comparable to a smoke alarm. Spider wraps are often 3 alarm which means;
It will alarm if the wires are cut
It will sound the tower's alarms
The wrap itself will alarm when removed from the store
To remove these, place the key flush to the rectangle latch. When the sweet spot is found, the latch will slide open and the wrap can be disposed of. The product may still be source tagged, so don't get cocky.
I just bought a regular alpha s3 key for myself :/
Can you link instructions on making your own alpha detacher? All the ones I find on it are deleted or junk. Thank you!
Then afterwords wrap them in a couple layers of electrical tape so the don't flip or break. Also optionally you can add a thin metal bracket onto one side for extra durability which is what my friend did but it's not mandatory.
This is what works and it's also very cheap, only about $14 bucks for the magnets + the cost of the electrical tape if you choose not to steal it , it works on every alpha product.
Then afterwords wrap them in a couple layers of electrical tape so the don't flip or break. Also optionally you can add a thin metal bracket onto one side for extra durability which is what my friend did but it's not mandatory.
This is what works and it's also very cheap, only about $14 bucks for the magnets + the cost of the electrical tape if you choose not to steal it , it works on every alpha product.
what the steel does is direct the force of the magnets more efficiently, with the higher strength magnets your right its not too teribly important! the electrical tape is ok but after awhile it gets sticky and nasty!
do yourself a favor and get some 600 or 40 grit sandpaper and lightly scuff up the finished product then get some spraypaint in a close to fleshtone color and spray it! then you can clearcoat in a flat or satin
worstcase it looks like an earaser! bestcase its the color of the palm of your hand and less likely to be seen!
Does it have to be N52 strength magnets to open the new Alpha XT Super Detacher or can it be a weaker grade? Im trying to replace the magnets inside my s3 key and so far i have only found N42 strength mag here http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BC64. Ive been researching forever and can't find out what type of magnet is inside the super detacher so i don't know if i can get away with a weaker strength. Please help me, Thank You!
Does it have to be N52 strength magnets to open the new Alpha XT Super Detacher or can it be a weaker grade? Im trying to replace the magnets inside my s3 key and so far i have only found N42 strength mag here http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BC64. Ive been researching forever and can't find out what type of magnet is inside the super detacher so i don't know if i can get away with a weaker strength. Please help me, Thank You!
if i remember correctly when you stack them there pull force increases(multiplies)
or i see videos of people using a 3"x1" N52 disc and another using a 2"x1"
and you can go as big as you want, personally i have 2 N52 "2x"2 on standby that i retrofitted into a sodacan and use the bottom curvature as the detacher! a little expanding foam goes a long way! even made the top working, drop a little soda in it walk around and hold the tag under the can! someone walks in your area... "accidentally" spill the 1oz of soda in the top onto the floor... while there getting the tissues or wet floor sigh grab your shit and get out!
The s3 key does not work an the New spider wraps because it needs a stronger magnet inside, so no it didn't work Could I somehow buy these http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...61-N52&cat=168 and configure it inside my s3 key somehow?
The s3 key does not work an the New spider wraps because it needs a stronger magnet inside, so no it didn't work Could I somehow buy these http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...61-N52&cat=168 and configure it inside my s3 key somehow?
yes also you can just make a completely new key and use it to try....
have you used an s3 to remove a spider before? all the ones i've encountered including the 3 alarms worked with the s3 key sometimes pressing in on the back clip is what helped... samething though.... order 16 of them! and
stack 4 a piece in this config. and try to use the steel plate on the rear.
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You know what.. i ended up buying the product that the spider wrap was in and it turned out that the employee couldn't get it off either because the clip was jammed. My bad! I will be trying the new configure of magnets in my old key so it will be able to open up products thats on the bottom of this page http://www.americantheftprevention.c...cher-p172.html. Do you think i can stack these magnets inside my old s3 key instead? http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...14-N52&cat=168
Because they are 1/2 the price im not sure if it converts (i hate math)
You know what.. i ended up buying the product that the spider wrap was in and it turned out that the employee couldn't get it off either because the clip was jammed. My bad! I will be trying the new configure of magnets in my old key so it will be able to open up products thats on the bottom of this page http://www.americantheftprevention.c...cher-p172.html. Do you think i can stack these magnets inside my old s3 key instead? http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...14-N52&cat=168
Because they are 1/2 the price im not sure if it converts (i hate math)
nope! they'll fit but the pullforce is less... i think wee ned someone who works retail to take the sticker off and measure them!.. or a Balls to the wall individual to snag one cutting the cable. if someone got ahold of one i'd deffinately compensate them for the key!
i would dissassemble it and test the magnets/ dimentions/ pullforce/ polarity and find the appropriate mags to make a few! also once we check out 1 i could produce a bunch and comp anyone who contributed to the project...
so someone could get paid fro a key and i would send one in return to them once tested!
looking at the key from a few pics, it looks like they just cut an s3 down like i do, and that little tail on the right looks like it might contain a sensor tag. but for shure they used another stronger set of Magnets!
i'm going to post an add in the for sale/trade section
Is there a way for me to rep you skygear? You went above and beyond to help me, which is very very very appreciated. I'm doing exactly what you did, which is cutting my s3 key down to just the magnet part so its in a case that wont let the mags flip or crack. Here is the final question im looking for.
s3 Alpha Key Magnet Dimensions = 3/4 x 3/8 x 1/4
Stacking Magnets #1 for 48c each = 3/4 x 1/16 x 1/4
Stacking Magnets #2 for 85c each = 3/4 x 3/8 x 1/16
Is it possible to convert both magnet sets #1 and #2 to create the s3 Alpha dimensions? If they both work could you please tell me which one would be cheaper please? I'm absolutely TERRIBLE with fractions. Thank You
Alright I took my shot at doing these fractions and calculating and please correct me if im wrong because there are no return on these bad boys
I would need to buy 24 magnets for set #1, which would equal $11.52 (It looks like this is the practical choice and I heard more stacked mags are stronger, correct?)
or I would need to buy 16 magnets for set #2 which would equal $13.60
Now that that is settled, with all these magnets that would need stacking is it still possible to Configure them correctly with the poles to work inside a s3 Alpha Key?
s3 Alpha Key Magnet Dimensions = 3/4 x 3/8 x 1/4
Stacking Magnets #1 for 48c each = 3/4 x 1/16 x 1/4
Stacking Magnets #2 for 85c each = 3/4 x 3/8 x 1/16
are you sure #1 is correct? remember (length x width x height)
theres a thanks button to the right hand of your screen next to the quote box...
personally i would go with the #2 case scinero and the poles wont be an issue ask these jokers your ordering from to mark the poles for you
are they N52? @ the prices you quoted those look more like N42
Alright I took my shot at doing these fractions and calculating and please correct me if im wrong because there are no return on these bad boys
I would need to buy 24 magnets for set #1, which would equal $11.52 (It looks like this is the practical choice and I heard more stacked mags are stronger, correct?)
or I would need to buy 16 magnets for set #2 which would equal $13.60
Now that that is settled, with all these magnets that would need stacking is it still possible to Configure them correctly with the poles to work inside a s3 Alpha Key?
also if you are going to buy magnets just DOUBLE your order to get the better discount! and if your 16 isn't strong enough... you have more you can add later! or make a second one as a backup!
in the tut that shady quoted above http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...%2DN52&cat=168 those might be the best solution! you cant fit them in the s3 key but it appears they do all the alpha products! after getting a redirected by malice... i still like the idea of UPGRADING the S3 though!
REDUNDANCY is what the difference between living and dying
also if you are going to buy magnets just DOUBLE your order to get the better discount! and if your 16 isn't strong enough... you have more you can add later! or make a second one as a backup!
REDUNDANCY is what the difference between living and dying
Yeah, im not afraid to put in a little extra money. It would be lame on my part to buy bulk extra magnets and have it not be able to fit in my s3 key you know? Now im trying to find the pull force between Set #1 and Set #2 magnets... God help me lol
I looked up on the bulk package if i bought more and it turns out i only save like 60c or something like that :/
There's nothing special about it! The older tags could be removed with weaker grade neodymium magnets because the ones used in the detacher were weaker. You could use N42 magnets and they would still work on the old tags.
and the skin tone spraypaint imho is best it looks like an earaser when your done
I already bought those 4 magnets and am able to use them. Ill just buy set #2 i suppose and put it inside my s3. Its just for the extra protection and ease. SWIM would rather get in and get in .. seconds matter u know
johnsuebarret it is not my intention to be a Dick to you.
You have posted information that is not entirely correct so I will help you out by showing you the error of your ways.
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Any tag that is rectangular and much flatter than it is high like:
will most likely contain one of these inside it:
All of these can be disabled by attaching a strong magnet to them while going through the Sensormatic towers. I believe that just rubbing it a few times may do the trick too, but it is safest to just keep it attached while walking out the door.
You are correct with this info … the tags use Acoustic Magnetism to work. This is a simple understanding of the system { HERE }. Of course I suggest a Google on the subject to get a thorough understanding of how it works, but this web site gives you the basics.
An AM soft tag can be deactivated by rubbing a magnet over it. Not the hard tags like the Gator Tag you have pictured. You would have to rub the tag about 20 times to do this and then you would know if it worked until it was too late. The easiest way to deactivate the soft tag, other then removing it is to place a needle into and through the tag. Stopping inside the middle to scramble / tear the inside metal strips.
You are correct that holding / placing a strong enough magnet on the out side of a hard / soft tag with keep it from working.
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If you can get your hands on one of the copper coils that can be seen in the bottom left of the alpha case in this picture:
You can use this coil to keep other coils from setting off the towers by placing it right next to the coil that is in the case of whatever you want to get. However, you probably won't need this because most of the cases that contain these coils can easily be opened with magnets that you can buy on eBay.
You are correct that the cases are easy to open with magnets placed over the locking mechanism. Where you fail is that by placing two coils together would nullify the alarm towers. If this was true then I could remove two of the cases from the store by aligning the coils in the case together and walking out … cant be done. The coils would have to make contact in order for this to work. That’s kind of hard to do with plastic between them.
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Where the coils do come in handy is, if you have two of them, you can keep them separate as you walk into a store. This will cause you to beep and the shopkeepers will take note of this. When you have got your items you put the coils together so that they will not set off the alarm. This way, if the alarm does go off because you missed a tag on the merchandise, the shopkeepers will most likely just wave you through because you beeped on the way in...This gives you an extra layer of security.
This is of course a valid scam that I have written about in the Shoplifters Guide.
Bag Alarm
This works best in Mall stores. You walk into a store with a bag of items from another store. Inside the bag is a concealed active security tag that will trigger the security alarm towers at the entrance of the store. Make a big deal out of it and make sure an employee notices that it was you that trigger the gates as you entered. Comment that there must be something from another store in their bag that triggered the gates. Ask them if they want to hold onto your bag while you shop and just pick it up on the way out. Find the items you want and conceal them on your body. If you still have your bag you may want to put items underneath the items you brought in. Remember though an alert staff may want to look into your bag as you leave. Before you leave find the employee that saw you come in tell them that as you go out you might set of the alarms again. When you trigger the gates again, just keep on walking.
False Alarm
Have a friend enter the store a few minutes before you do and act as if you do not know each. You collect the items that you wish to take while your friend gets a few low dollar items and purchases them. As they leave the store you will walk out right behind them. As they reach the alarm towers have them hesitate before you walk through setting off the alarm. You discreetly keep on walking while your friend stops and draws all the attention by looking confused with the bags. They should be very co-operative and happily opens all of their bags for the employee to see yet nothing they have will triggers the gates again. Give an explanation of the False Alarm by saying that it must be cell phone interference.
As I have said … I am not here to dog you, but if you post info that could get someone busted, I will call you out. I just failed at how I handled your post … I should have corrected you at that time.
Enjoy Retail Redistribution.!.
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Malice is correct … a little more info.
The tag you are looking at does require a regular magnetic detacher.
I will warn you … this is one bad ass magnet. When you buy a detacher from Vinipooh it will be incased in aluminum and is a whole hell of a lot easier to handle. It is a little bigger and heavier then the raw magnet. I would recommend wrapping any high powered magnet in a copper or aluminum sheet to help with handling. You can acquire these sheets at any hobby store that sells doll house shit.
How does a ball clutch work … Placing the magnet onto the bump of the tag will pull the spring releasing the balls that were locking the pin in place.
How an Alpha Lock Works … Placing the magnet on top of the locking pins will pull them upward allowing you to slide the latch releasing and disabling the lock.
What is the difference between an Alpha S3 lock and an XT Super lock …
Magnification - the XT needs a stronger magnet. This is why I recommend 2 of THESE magnets when building your homemade S3 key.
get some pics up of your process and if you need help let me know. remember ask them to mark the poles for you!
the magnets were supposed to arrive today but didn't.. i suppose ill blame the mail carrier. the company emailed me on the best ways to find out the polarities. ill post what they sent a bit later for everyone else to utilize
I tried searching but is there any word on the Alpha Showsafe removal or the things attached to Camcorders etc like at wal mart? It looks like there might be a funky screw to take out below but surely that's not the only security they have on a Camcorder to prevent its theft ><
the magnets were supposed to arrive today but didn't.. i suppose ill blame the mail carrier. the company emailed me on the best ways to find out the polarities. ill post what they sent a bit later for everyone else to utilize
lol did they tell you to use the compas method? thats the way i always used but i dont remommend it for everyone...
There are several simple methods that can be used to identify the (Scientific) North and South poles of neodymium magnets.
1) The easiest way is to use another magnet that is already marked. The North pole of the marked magnet will be attracted to the South pole of the unmarked magnet.
2) If you take an even number of magnets and pinch a string in the middle of the stack and dangle the magnets so they can freely rotate on the string, the North pole of the magnets will eventually settle pointing North. This actually contradicts the "opposites attract" rule of magnetism, but the naming convention of the poles is a carry over from the old days when the poles were called the "North-seeking" and "South-seeking" poles. These were shortened over time to the "North" and "South" poles that we know them as.
3) If you have a compass handy, the end of the needle that normally points North will be attracted to the South pole of the neodymium magnet.
yay the magnets arrived late today and im ready to go to work! i cant seem to find adequate backing for the mags. the best thing i found was a piece of sheet metal from the home depot. and ideas guys/gals for the metal backing on the key?
yay the magnets arrived late today and im ready to go to work! i cant seem to find adequate backing for the mags. the best thing i found was a piece of sheet metal from the home depot. and ideas guys/gals for the metal backing on the key?
go to your local cell phone store and ask for an old dummy phone... they will happily give you one for free. crack it open and get the metal sheets that they weigh them down with and toss the rest!
yay the magnets arrived late today and im ready to go to work! i cant seem to find adequate backing for the mags. the best thing i found was a piece of sheet metal from the home depot. and ideas guys/gals for the metal backing on the key?
Scumbag used to use this sheeting material. He said he found it at stores that carried doll house shit.
Awesome guys thanks! With your tool do you put two dots on there to align it up with the alpha stuff or it it easy to just forget the dots and do it? i found that a lot of alpha products do not have 2 dots to align the key up with anyway
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Could I somehow buy these 
