Archived: Tools of the Trade

[Scizorist]

Originally Posted by Shadowz0r

Awesome guys thanks! With your tool do you put two dots on there to align it up with the alpha stuff or it it easy to just forget the dots and do it? i found that a lot of alpha products do not have 2 dots to align the key up with anyway

You're right some don't like the alpha keepers, you'll know you've found the right spot once you start to hear the clicking. From there you just gotta keep playing with it till you find the right spot and it opens up. My friend made a magic bag and puts the entire keepers in it and found out at home the exact spot to put the key onto.

[Shadowz0r]

Originally Posted by Scizorist

You're right some don't like the alpha keepers, you'll know you've found the right spot once you start to hear the clicking. From there you just gotta keep playing with it till you find the right spot and it opens up. My friend made a magic bag and puts the entire keepers in it and found out at home the exact spot to put the key onto.

is there anyway that guy would like to upload some pics or give an explanation? ive done a spider before but any keepers. and yes.. i saw the video on the alpha website. i've seen a wierd mini spider wrap and both sides were round with a picture of the spider on one side and the other side was the one with a blinking light. any ideas on that one?

[Floppy Ham Sandwich]

I remember seeing a couple of images on how to arrange the rectangular magnets to effectively make an s3 key a while ago. The jesusnacho photobucket account is banned, or unavailable or whatever now. Does anybody still have those images? It would be a really big help for me

Let me know if you still have the pictures

[ShadyLady]

Do a search next time. There are tons of threads on that subject.

[Floppy Ham Sandwich]

Originally Posted by ShadyLady

Do a search next time. There are tons of threads on that subject.

All the threads that I can find are old and the links are all broken. The image I'm talking about was so simple and easy to understand, and I can't find a mirrored copy.

Does anybody have it?

[Shadowz0r]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK MOTHER LOVING FUCKING FUCKER FUCK.....AHSWGLOASHLGENA;OGHAGH!!!!!!!
I bought the n52 mags and used them a few times but i took them out of the electrical tape i had to make a pic by pic guide on how to assemble and make a detacher with a metal backing and 2 of the magnets flipped and cracked in half... when magnets crack they cant be reassembled because those that cracked have their own polarity and will be repelled where it origionally was. FUCKING CRAP PEOPLE!!! last time i try to make a picture guide with magnets ... the only good thing is that i just went ahead and bought a real s3 detacher from a guy in the US California inland empire for 60usd and cut it down to the essentials and now i have to say its a lot easier to open spider wraps but i still lost 15$ on magnets fuck me.......
shoud i post pics for the hell of it?

[Fuck "Fuck Fuck" Fuck]

Originally Posted by Shadowz0r

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK MOTHER LOVING FUCKING FUCKER FUCK.....AHSWGLOASHLGENA;OGHAGH!!!!!!!
I bought the n52 mags and used them a few times but i took them out of the electrical tape i had to make a pic by pic guide on how to assemble and make a detacher with a metal backing and 2 of the magnets flipped and cracked in half... when magnets crack they cant be reassembled because those that cracked have their own polarity and will be repelled where it origionally was. FUCKING CRAP PEOPLE!!! last time i try to make a picture guide with magnets ... the only good thing is that i just went ahead and bought a real s3 detacher from a guy in the US California inland empire for 60usd and cut it down to the essentials and now i have to say its a lot easier to open spider wraps but i still lost 15$ on magnets fuck me.......
shoud i post pics for the hell of it?

You called?

[skygear]

Sorry that happened... Remember I told you to get extra! Post it anyways just to get the practice in!

FUCK- you never cease to amuse me!

[skygear]

Anyone still use BOLT CUTTERS for anything? I got a great method of making an 18" set pocket sized.... Will post picke from start to finish if interested!

[Shadowz0r]

lol fuck
and yes sky i remember u said to get more but f me.. i already had the mags all in tape and whatnot and i try to share the wealth for the zok members and wham, the fucker broke! last time i ever try to help anyone again.... (j/p)
looks like my camera cable is krusty krap and stopped working on me today.. oh well. looks like ill be taking pics from my 3 year old phone

[skygear]

simple process
get a drill
drill bit- larger than the indent on the back of the handle
take the boltcutters and drill out the 2 indents on the handles
remove the plastic contoure handles
dip them in tool dip and texture for a no print finish! you could also dip the wet handles in fine sand for a better grip

[Scizorist]

Today my friend used his magic bag on a spider wrapped item, he left through the towers without alarming. When he got home to his surprise he noticed that it was actually a 2-alarm (self alarming + blinking LED) spider wrap. He assumed it was the 1-alarm one inside the store and wasn't paying attention. Anyways just wanted to share this info.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Scizorist

Today my friend used his magic bag on a spider wrapped item, he left through the towers without alarming. When he got home to his surprise he noticed that it was actually a 2-alarm (self alarming + blinking LED) spider wrap. He assumed it was the 1-alarm one inside the store and wasn't paying attention. Anyways just wanted to share this info.

Just an fyi, the 3 alarm spider wraps supposedly go off after going through towers even if taken out of the store in a magic bag.

[Scizorist]

Originally Posted by ShadyLady

Just an fyi, the 3 alarm spider wraps supposedly go off after going through towers even if taken out of the store in a magic bag.

The only difference between the 2-alarm and 3-alarm is that the 3-alarm alarms if you tamper with it (tug and pull on it). I think it depends on how strong of a signal the tower gives off, I remember in one of vinni's posts he was talking about changing tower's sensitivity when he was doing magic bag tests.

[Shadowz0r]

has anyone figured out what that material was called thats better than foil for a magic bag? i remember reading it earlier on tools of the trade but just stopped without resolution :/

so timmy figured he could make a jammer for the frequencies but will this for sure set off the alarm since its not hard to sense a jammer?

[Shadowz0r]

Sorry shady but i have no clue where to put this so i'll let you remove it/place it wherever you want. I have been searching high and low on how to get hands on a Alpha Security XT key to open they new clothe tags they have. Granted that no one really has them that i know of other than Nordstrom by where i live. I was talking to my friend timmy and he said what the hell... wouldn't hurt to try the regular (REAL Alpha Security S3) key (that im selling btw) and it worked on this http://www.americantheftprevention.c...-Tag-p110.html. When you align the detacher up Timmy said to wiggle it a little and push/pull gently and it pops off ez... got it in less than 5 seconds. to alpha security... /fail

[skygear]

good job! i agree with the statement... i had a few of the xt tags to play with and it seemed the new tags even after playing with them did nothing... now some that had been used a few hundred times with a little tug and pull came apart with a little help.

[tRuEbLuELdY]

hello peepz... How can u find out if the magnets for s3 key are strong enough? I got some from home depot and i also have the one the you find on lil motors

[theshadowfax]

Originally Posted by skygear

simple process
get a drill
drill bit- larger than the indent on the back of the handle
take the boltcutters and drill out the 2 indents on the handles
remove the plastic contoure handles
dip them in tool dip and texture for a no print finish! you could also dip the wet handles in fine sand for a better grip

Forgive me if I'm incorrect and everything, but isn't the length of the handles what enables bolt cutters to be effective? The handles provide leverage to help close them harder on the metal of what they're cutting.

Idk I could be wrong I just know that in some instances, leverage is needed and is given by longer handles etc.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by tRuEbLuELdY

[COLOR="White"] hello peepz... How can u find out if the magnets for s3 key are strong enough? I got some from home depot and i also have the one the you find on lil motors..[/color]

Please don't type in douchy fonts. It's hard on the eyes. Thanks.

[skygear]

Originally Posted by theshadowfax

Forgive me if I'm incorrect and everything, but isn't the length of the handles what enables bolt cutters to be effective? The handles provide leverage to help close them harder on the metal of what they're cutting.

Idk I could be wrong I just know that in some instances, leverage is needed and is given by longer handles etc.

100% correct, the handles are what enable the effectiveness of bolt cutters the leverage you get to apply preasure on th cuttend head

I didnt say get rid of the handles. Once you drill the retaining pin they slide on and off. Slide them apart and put them in your pocket/kit/bag/box, when you need to use them REASSEMBLE! When the task at hand is finished, break them back down again, and conceal.

[theshadowfax]

Ohhh, my bad, I just misread

Nice find then!

[Logical]

If you want to be sure of your handmade s3 key, just test it on a alpha tag:

sold on ebay:http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI...STRK:MESELX:IT

[Floppy Ham Sandwich]

Originally Posted by skygear

good job! i think this should be merged with the clothing lifting thread! but i agree with the statement... i had a few of the xt tags to play with and it seemed the new tags even after playing with them did nothing... now some that had been used a few hundred times with a little tug and pull came apart with a little help.

No, please don't merge this thread with the clothing lifting thread. I love that there's different threads for different things, because when you merge all the shoplifting threads together, it makes it so fucking hard to find things.

[ShadyLady]

Originally Posted by Floppy Ham Sandwich

No, please don't merge this thread with the clothing lifting thread. I love that there's different threads for different things, because when you merge all the shoplifting threads together, it makes it so fucking hard to find things.

skygear wasn't referring to Tools of the Trade. There was another thread that I merged into this one. The posts in it were really good so I also copied them over to The Clothing Lifting Thread. No worries.

[Ben Katz]

I was just at a store today testing out my magnets with those "alpha keepers" and wasn't having much success...When I put the magnet on the lid, I was listening for a click and heard plenty of them; it actually sounded more like something was rolling around inside there; but I could be wrong. I didn't have any luck and I was just practicing.

I can faintly remember seeing a video posted where someone shows how to use a magnet to open an alpha keeper, but I have looked up and down on these forums and have had no luck. Does anyone have any vids or advice on how to use my magnets? (besides just buying an s3 key...thanks!)

[Scizorist]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

I was just at a store today testing out my magnets with those "alpha keepers" and wasn't having much success...When I put the magnet on the lid, I was listening for a click and heard plenty of them; it actually sounded more like something was rolling around inside there; but I could be wrong. I didn't have any luck and I was just practicing.

I can faintly remember seeing a video posted where someone shows how to use a magnet to open an alpha keeper, but I have looked up and down on these forums and have had no luck. Does anyone have any vids or advice on how to use my magnets? (besides just buying an s3 key...thanks!)

There's plenty of videos on the alpha site: http://www.alphaworld.com/alpha-secu...video-home.asp

I can open them fine with my homemade s3. You can actually sorta see where to line your key up with if you look at the bottom part of the lid through the plastic, you'll see a rectangular indentation in it, that's where I line my key up with at the top. After you hear a bunch of clicks just slide the latch and open it.

I dunno maybe your magnet isn't sufficient. What magnets are you using?

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by Scizorist

There's plenty of videos on the alpha site: http://www.alphaworld.com/alpha-secu...video-home.asp

I can open them fine with my homemade s3. You can actually sorta see where to line your key up with if you look at the bottom part of the lid through the plastic, you'll see a rectangular indentation in it, that's where I line my key up with at the top. After you hear a bunch of clicks just slide the latch and open it.

I dunno maybe your magnet isn't sufficient. What magnets are you using?

What exactly did you do for your "homemade" handkey?

I'm using neodynium magnets; however, I'm not sure about the strength....

[Scizorist]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

What exactly did you do for your "homemade" handkey?

I'm using neodynium magnets; however, I'm not sure about the strength....

These are the magnets my friend uses for his S3 key http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...84-N52&cat=168. Get four of them and align them in this configuration:

[+ -][+ -]
[- +][- +]

Then afterwords wrap them in a couple layers of electrical tape so the don't flip or break. Also optionally you can add a thin metal bracket onto one side for extra durability which is what my friend did but it's not mandatory.

[skygear]

you got it with the magnets! those should open even the XT tags

[breaker1294]

i just got done reading the replies on those spiderwrap screamers and i believe you guys are complicating your moves when you plan things like that. what i do and it never fails is i go in there with a tube or two of those little bitty super glue squirters and i just empty it inside those little bitty holes for the screamer speakers. then i put the item back in the shelf and somehow bury it with the others. i leave and come back the next day. that super glue is hard as a rock and not too many things vibrate in that condition. then just cut away with those cables.

[Scizorist]

Originally Posted by breaker1294

i just got done reading the replies on those spiderwrap screamers and i believe you guys are complicating your moves when you plan things like that. what i do and it never fails is i go in there with a tube or two of those little bitty super glue squirters and i just empty it inside those little bitty holes for the screamer speakers. then i put the item back in the shelf and somehow bury it with the others. i leave and come back the next day. that super glue is hard as a rock and not too many things vibrate in that condition. then just cut away with those cables.

I don't understand how this make it any easier than unlocking it with a magnet.

[skygear]

the superglue method is leaving a trail! get poped in the act or on camera with that method and they will try to crucify you! unless your lifting those superglue packs, that gets costly., I can imagine an employee or LP walking down an isle while the glue is cureing. The smell from the superglue is unmistakeable. Mabey they found one before and now they smell another one. They would probably extra source tag it and then alert all employees or LP to monitor that item. When you return, not knowing the items being watched, they let you do your dirt, you walk out and old smokey's waiting for you!

[Malice]

What's the superglue method?

[skygear]

Malice

Originally Posted by breaker1294

i just got done reading the replies on those spiderwrap screamers and i believe you guys are complicating your moves when you plan things like that. what i do and it never fails is i go in there with a tube or two of those little bitty super glue squirters and i just empty it inside those little bitty holes for the screamer speakers. then i put the item back in the shelf and somehow bury it with the others. i leave and come back the next day. that super glue is hard as a rock and not too many things vibrate in that condition. then just cut away with those cables.

[Floppy Ham Sandwich]

Originally Posted by skygear

Malice

I was thinking, does anybody know if you could use a neo magnet to silence the scream on the spider wrap? If you put a neo magnet on a speaker, it holds the speaker to your magnet, so the speaker can't move. This might silence the scream, so you can lift the whole box with the spiderwrap on it. The only problem is that the eas gates would go off, but you can deal with that easily enough.

This would be useful if you're having trouble using a home-made s3 key and you need a bit of practice at home.

[skygear]

no! the voice coil is copper so the magnet would have no effect on it...

the piezo speakers have no moving parts

piezo buzzers again have no moving parts

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by breaker1294

i just got done reading the replies on those spiderwrap screamers and i believe you guys are complicating your moves when you plan things like that. what i do and it never fails is i go in there with a tube or two of those little bitty super glue squirters and i just empty it inside those little bitty holes for the screamer speakers. then i put the item back in the shelf and somehow bury it with the others. i leave and come back the next day. that super glue is hard as a rock and not too many things vibrate in that condition. then just cut away with those cables.

Do you put a pie on the window sill to cool as well?

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by Scizorist

These are the magnets my friend uses for his S3 key http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetai...84-N52&cat=168. Get four of them and align them in this configuration:

[+ -][+ -]
[- +][- +]

Then afterwords wrap them in a couple layers of electrical tape so the don't flip or break. Also optionally you can add a thin metal bracket onto one side for extra durability which is what my friend did but it's not mandatory.

obviously, you know what you are doing; however, does wrapping a magnet in electrical tape weaken its magnetism?

Also, is there a bit of space between the two pairs of magnets? From the pictures, it seems like there is about a 2 or 3 centimeter gap between the sets.

Thanks for your help, by the way.

[Scizorist]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

obviously, you know what you are doing; however, does wrapping a magnet in electrical tape weaken its magnetism?

Nope, magnets can't be weakened by material. The electrical tape is just for protecting the magnets from impacts with other objects, also makes it easier to handle.

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/FAQ.asp#shield
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/FAQ.asp#protect

Also, is there a bit of space between the two pairs of magnets? From the pictures, it seems like there is about a 2 or 3 centimeter gap between the sets.

Thanks for your help, by the way.

And no there's no space, they're completely stuck/touching to each other.