Meat, Vegetables, or Both?

[nicky69]

i'm a total-vegetarian. I eat a vegan diet, but don't take my animal rights views too far. I've been an off and on vegetarian for years, originally the beginning of my junior year of high school. Of which, i adopted the diet because i thought it better to slim down and gain stamina for boxing, also to ease stomach cramps and digestion. I embraced it originally but after a period of several months i began to eat meat about once or once every other month. I ate a pesce/pollo -tarian diet. It wasn't until the second semester of junior college that i began to look into my vegetarianism and embrace it more. I ate some meat on Christmas, '07 and some sausages with ricotta in April '08. I went totally vegan during the following summer. I ate some turkey on Thanksgiving (i've been doing that every single year since i've been a vegetarian), but excluding that i've been entirely vegetarian. I eat a vegan diet about 80% of the time, the only time i ever consume meat is on Thanksgiving and I never have milk, with the exception of the rare yogurt.

[The Divinity of Racism]

Real men eat spinach, just look at popeye.

[madmentos]

Originally Posted by Cowboy of the Apocalypse

Sure, I would...
..if I could. It's not easy to butcher yourself when you've just died humanely - just like the animals that provide meat do. The closest comparison you could make between eating meat from a cage raised animal is eating meat from a fit & healthly disease free prisoner electrocuted on death row. It's the same thing. Nothing else can really be drawn comparison to, especially not what you described. Death row execution subjects suffer more though.

By the way, rice cotton and soybeans are all extremely destructive ot the environment, more so than any other produce industry I can think of right now.

It is exactly the same, and i dont want to eat kentucky fried bob...

[scovegner]

Originally Posted by madmentos

and i dont want to eat kentucky fried bob...

lmao

[Cowboy of the Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by madmentos

It is exactly the same, and i dont want to eat kentucky fried bob...

What is exactly the same? If you mean that the comparisons you drew through you analogy, then you're off the mark by a long shot. Your analogy was terrible. Did you notice I have said anal not once but three times now? .

[WritingANovel]

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

Magnificent.

[WritingANovel]

Originally Posted by Nagasaki911

Its survival of the fittest. We as humans are the strongest species on the planet and that is why we lord ourselves over the lesser creatures.

Hey chink.

If some white guy who's taller and stronger than you are (which might very well be the case), does that make it ok for him to lord it over you and kill you?

Provided you arent a masochist, which you might very well be, given that you are a fucking chink.

[WritingANovel]

I believe that meat-eating in today's world is unethical, because animals/livestock are often raised in bad conditions and killed inhumanely.

If it were possible to raise animals and kill them humanely I wouldn't have a problem with it (I think it's morally wrong to cause suffering to sentient beings however I don't see anything wrong with killing them. Don't ask me why).

That being said I am not a vegetarian and I do eat meat, and when I think about this it makes me both feel bad and makes me realise that I am a hypocrite. That being said I really can't stop because meat truly tastes really good and I am only human.

Not trying to find an excuse for what I do.

[Lewcifer]

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

You pernickety pillock!

What I meant to say was that the killing of animals in itself raises no moral objections in my mind, however the maltreatment of animals does, and it is the prevalence of maltreatment in the food industry which has lead me to be a vegetarian.

[KikoSanchez]

Originally Posted by Nagasaki911

Its survival of the fittest. We as humans are the strongest species on the planet and that is why we lord ourselves over the lesser creatures.

This is related to the is-ought problem. Just because we ARE the strongest (read: most intelligent/powerful) doesn't mean we OUGHT to abuse that power or use it in a cavalier manner. Using this in a reducto ad absurdum, this argument would conclude that the US (or China in the near future) ought to dominate the rest of the world at its will or if aliens came to earth, they ought be able to abuse/use us for whatever they want. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.