Research Findings on the Chicuahua Disk Crash
Research Findings on the Chihuahua Disk Crash
On 25 Aug 74, at 2207 hrs, US Air Defense radar detected an
unknown approaching US airspace from the Gulf of Mexico.
Originally the object was tracked at 2,200 (2530 mph) knots on a
bearing of 325 degrees and at an altitude of 75,000 feet, a course
that would intercept US territory about forty miles southwest of
Corpus Cristi, Texas. After approximately sixty seconds of
observation, at a position 155 miles southeast of Corpus Cristi, the
object simultaneously decelerated to approximately 1700 (1955
mph) knots, turned to a heading of 290 degrees, and began a slow
descent. It entered Mexican airspace approximately forty miles south
of Brownsville, Texas. Radar tracked it approximately 500 miles to a
point near the town of Coyame, in the state of Chihuahua, not far
from the US border. There the object suddenly disappeared from the
During the flight over Mexican airspace, the object leveled off at
45,000 feet, then descended to 20,000 feet. The descent was in level
steps, not a smooth curve or straight line, and each level was
maintained for approximately five minutes.
The object was tracked by two different military radar installations.
It would have been within range of Brownsville civilian radar, but it
is assumed that no civilian radar detected the object due to a lack of
any such reports.
The point of disappearance from the radar screens was over a barren
and sparsely populated area of Northern Mexico. At first it was
assumed that the object had descended below the radar's horizon and
a watch was kept for any re-emergence of the object. None occurred.
At first it was assumed that the object might be a meteor because of
the high speed and descending flight path. But meteors normally
travel at higher speeds, and descend in a smooth arc, not in "steps."
And meteors do not normally make a thirty-five degree change in
course. Shortly after detection an air defense alert was called.
However, before any form of interception could be scrambled, the
object turned to a course that would not immediately take it over US
territory. The alert was called off within twenty minutes after the
object's disappearance from the radar screen.
Fifty-two minutes after the disappearance, civilian radio traffic
indicated that a civilian aircraft had gone down in that area. But it
was clear that the missing aircraft had departed El Paso International
with a destination of Mexico City, and could not, therefore, have
been the object tracked over the Gulf of Mexico.
It was noted, however, that they both disappeared in the same area
and at the same time.
With daylight the next day, Mexican authorities began a search for
the missing plane. Approximately 1035 hrs there came a radio report
that wreckage from the missing plane had been spotted from the air.
Almost immediately came a report of a second plane on the ground a
few miles from the first. A few minutes later an additional report
stated that the second "plane" was circular shaped and apparently in
one piece although damaged. A few minutes after that the Mexican
military clamped a radio silence on all search efforts.
The radio interceptions were reported through channels to the CIA.
Possibly as many as two additional government agencies also
received reports, but such has not been confirmed as of this date.
The CIA immediately began forming a recovery team. The speed with
which this team and its equipment was assembled suggests that this
was either a well-rehearsed exercise or one that had been performed
prior to this event.
In the meantime requests were initiated at the highest levels between
the United States and Mexican governments that the US recovery
team be allowed onto Mexican territory to "assist." These requests
were met with professed ignorance and a flat refusal of any
By 2100 hrs, 26 Aug 74, the recovery team had assembled and been
staged at Fort Bliss. Several helicopters were flown in from some
unknown source and assembled in a secured area. These helicopters
were painted a neutral sand color and bore no markings. Eye witness
indicates that there were three smaller craft, very probably UHl
Hueys from the description. There was also a larger helicopter,
possibly a Sea Stallion. Personnel from this team remained with
their craft and had no contact with other Ft. Bliss personnel.
Satellite and recognizance aircraft overflight that day indicated that
both the crashed disk and the civilian aircraft had been removed
from the crash sites and loaded on flat bed trucks. Later flights
confirmed that the convoy had departed the area heading south.
At that point the CIA had to make a choice, either to allow this
unknown aircraft to stay in the hands of the Mexican government, or
to launch the recovery team, supplemented by any required military
support, to take the craft. There occurred, however, an event that
took the choice out of their hands. High altitude overflights
indicated that the convoy had stopped before reaching any inhabited
areas or major roads. Recon showed no activity, and radio contact
between the Mexican recovery team and its headquarters had ceased.
A low altitude, high speed overflight was ordered.
The photos returned by that aircraft showed all trucks and jeeps
stopped, some with open doors, and two human bodies laying on the
ground beside two vehicles. The decision was immediately made to
launch the recovery team but the actual launching was held up for
the arrival of additional equipment and two additional personnel. It
was not until 1438 hrs that the helicopters departed Ft. Bliss.
The four helicopters followed the boarder down towards Presido
then turned and entered Mexican airspace north of Candelaria. They
were over the convoy site at 1653 hrs. All convoy personnel were
dead, most within the trucks. Some recovery team members, dressed
bioprotection suits, reconfigured the straps holding the object on the
flatbed truck, then attached them to a cargo cable from the Sea
Stallion. By 1714 hrs the recovered object was on its way to US
territory. Before leaving the convoy site, members of the recovery
team gathered together the Mexican vehicles and bodies, then
destroyed all with high explosives. This included the pieces of the
civilian light plane which had been involved in the mid-air collision.
At 1746 hrs the Hueys departed.
The Hueys caught up with the Sea Stallion as it reentered US
airspace. The recovery team then proceeded to a point in the Davis
Mountains, approximately twenty-five miles north east of Valentine.
There they landed and waited until 0225 hrs the next morning. At
that time they resumed the flight and rendezvoused with a small
convoy on a road between Van Horn and Kent. The recovered disk
was transferred to a truck large enough to handle it and capable of
being sealed totally. Some of the personnel from the Huey's
transferred to the convoy.
All helicopters then returned to their original bases for
decontamination procedures. The convoy continued non-stop, using
back roads and smaller highways, and staying away from cities. The
destination of the convoy reportedly was Altanta, Georgia.
Here the hard evidence thins out. One unconfirmed report says the
disk was eventually transferred to Wright-Patterson AF Base.
Another says that the disk was either transferred after that to another
unnamed base, or was taken directly to this unknown base directly
The best description of the disk was that it was sixteen feet, five
inches in diameter, convex on both upper and lower surfaces to the
same degree, possessing no visible doors or windows. The thickness
was slightly less than five feet. The color was silver, much like
polished steel. There were no visible lights nor any propulsion
means. There were no markings. There were two areas of the rim that
showed damage, one showing an irregular hole approximately twelve
inches in diameter with indented material around it. The other
damage was described as a "dent" about two feet wide. The weight of
the object was estimated as approximately one thousand, five
hundred pounds, based on the effect of the weight on the carrying
helicopter and those who transferred it to the truck.
There was no indication in the documentation available as to
whether anything was visible in the "hole."
It seems likely that the damage with the hole was caused by the
collision with the civilian aircraft. That collision occurred while the
object was traveling approximately 1700 knots (1955 mph). Even
ignoring the speed of the civilian aircraft, the impact would have
been considerable at that speed. This is in agreement with the
description of the civilian aircraft as being "almost totally
destroyed." What was being taken from the crash site was pieces of
the civilian aircraft.
The second damage may have resulted when the object impacted
with the ground. The speed in that case should have been
considerably less than that of the first impact.
No mention is made of the occupants of the civilian aircraft. It is not
known if any body or bodies were recovered. Considering the
destruction of the civilian light aircraft in mid-air, bodies may well
not have come down near the larger pieces.
Unfortunately what caused the deaths of the Mexican recovery team
is not known. Speculation ranges from a chemical released from the
disk as a result of the damage, to a microbiological agent. There are
no indications of death or illness by any of the recovery team. It
would not have been illogical for the recovery team to have taken
one of the bodies back with them for anaylsis. But there is no
indication of that having happen. Perhaps they did not have adquate
means of transporting what might have been a biologically
Inquires to the FAA reveal no documents conserning the civilian
aircraft crash, probably because it did not involve a US aircraft nor
did it occur over US airspace.
It should be noted that the above facts do not tell the complete story.
Nothing is known of the analysis of the craft or its contents. Nothing
is known about the deaths associated with the foreign recovery team.
Nor is it known if this craft was manned or not.
Other questions also remain, such as why would a recovered disk be
taken to Altanta? And where did the disk come from? It was first
detected approximately 200 miles from US territory, yet US air
defenses extend to a much greater distance than that. If the object
descended into the atmosphere, perhaps NORAD space tracking has
some record of the object. Alternate possibility is that it entered the
Gulf of Mexico under radar limits then "jumped" up to 75,000 feet.
Considering prior behavior exhibited by disks of this size, it is
probable that the entry was from orbital altitude.
The facts that are known have been gathered from two eye witness
accounts, documentation illegally copied, and a partially destroyed
document. This was done in 1978 by a person who is now dead.
Only in February of this year did the notes and documents come into
the hands of our group.
END OF DOCUMENT
Subject: Deneb Letter #2
To: All Deneb Team Members
Date: 2 Mar 92
Subject: Research Findings on the Pinehurst "Abduction"
Given the small amount of data to go on and the number of years that
have passed since the original incident, very little importance should
be placed on this report. The group first learned of it through a
verbal transmission from an Air Force Officer. He stated that he had
learned of it from a report filed with the Intelligence Officer at
Fairchild AFB a few days after the event. He admitted that he did
not meet those filing the report, nor was he actually involved with
any type of investigation. Apparently the original report as filed by a
civilian was "humorous" enough to get passed around among some
of the officers.
His statement (summarized):
On 24 June 71 a man and his wife came into the base headquarters at
Fairchild and stated that they wished to make a report of a "flying
saucer." They were turned over to the base Intelligence Officer as
would be proper under AF guidelines for UFO reports at that time.
He allowed them to write down their story but apparently placed
very little importance in their statements for report indicated that he
asked no questions and apparently told the civilians that their report
would be "passed up the channels." It is not known if that was ever
done, or if that officer, disbelieving the report because of the
possible abduction aspect, merely filed it without following standard
UFO reporting procedure. It is possible that he did not even file the
report, but merely passed it around the its
"amusement" value then trash canned it.
The facts remembered from the report were as follows:
On 21 June 71, Mr John Stacy (23) and his wife, Gloria (23), were
in their home near Pinehurst, Idaho. Their home was a distance from
the town and somewhat isolated. It was after dinner and both were
sitting down, Mrs Stacy watching TV, John reading a book. At
approximately 2215 hrs John's attention was caught by a light
outside the window, a reddish light of rather deep color. He went to
the window and saw a column of light described as "deep red"
descending to the ground from above. The place where the light
struck the ground was only about a hundred feet from the house and
he could not see from his position what was causing the light.
After showing the light to his wife, he went out the back door,
accompanied by her, to investigate. He took with him a 22 caliber
pistol, the only weapon in the house. He stated that the light was
like nothing he had ever seen and "a little scary." Once clear of the
roof, they could see that the light was coming from the center of a
circular shape hovering approximately two hundred feet in the air.
The shape was dark, no lights apparent other than the red beam
shining directly down from the center. He estimated the diameter of
the "disk" to be fifty feet.
For a few minutes they both just stood there, staring in wonder at the
thing. Then John realized that it was no longer there. He was still
standing outside, looking at the sky, but there was no object and no
light. He stated that he didn't remember seeing it go, just that he was
suddenly aware it wasn't there any longer. And that he was suddenly
He turned to his wife but she wasn't there. He also noticed that his
revolver was no longer in his hand. Puzzled, he went back into the
house, searching for Gloria. She was not present. He then took a
flashlight and searched the area around the house but failed to find
her. Returning to the house, he was about to call law authorities
when he noticed a red flash out of the corner of his eye. The light
had been outside a window. He was going to the door again when he
met Gloria slowly walking back into the house.
He began questioning her about where she had been but she was in a
daze and unable to answer coherently except to say that she felt she
had been "somewhere. n As she recovered she seemed very much
afraid of the outside of the house but could put no words to her
fears. He got her to bed and calmed down. The next day she could
not remember where she had been and seemed anxious whenever he
In the report, John Stacy stated that he had noticed there were red
marks encircling his wife's wrists and ankles but she could not
explain how they had gotten there. It appeared that the skin was
somewhat raw as if rubbed or chaffed.
On the second day after the sighting, Mrs Stacy told her husband
that she was sure she had been inside the "flying saucer" but still
could not remember anything else. That is when he decided to go to
the nearest AFB and report the incident and inquire as to what it
might have been. It appears unlikely that his questions were
answered by the AF officer who took their statements.
This is the end of the original verbal account, given to a member of
the group in early 1983. It was recorded and filed for possible
investigation but with a low priority due to the amount of time that
In 1985 one of the group happened to be not far from Pinehurst and
decided to investigate. The trail was pretty cold by then. Casual
interrogation of long-time residents did, however, reveal two men
who remembered the couple and the incident. Apparently it had been
written up in a local paper. Attempts to locate that paper proved
negative as it had apparently gone out of business years before.
Additional information gathered from the locals include: Gloria
Stacy died in 1980 from causes unrelated to the incident. John Stacy
moved to California right after that.
The original newspaper article described only the dark "saucer" and
a red beam, but not the possible abduction. Apparently the Stacy's
had decided to not reveal that part. But those who knew them said
that years later John told them several additional facts. Unable to
sleep after the incident, John lay in bed awake for quite a while. It
was then that he realized that it was far later than it should have
been. He knew the time he saw the red light because of the TV show
that was on. But when Gloria returned and they went to bed, it was
over four hours later. Even allowing for two hours as he searched the
area around the house and to calm his wife down after she returned,
that still leaves approximately two hours unaccounted for.
Also Mrs Stacy had "bad dreams" for quite a while afterwards but
never did remember anything additional about the time she was
missing. For a couple years after the incident she would not leave
the house at night.
There had been no additional incidents with unknowns or anything
that could be related to the original incident, at least none that were
related to the two locals interviewed.
Without the ability to interview the primary witnesses, there is little
that can be made of this report. As it stands, this incident contains
some of the standard elements of abduction cases, yet differs in
some ways. The beam of red light has been reported only a few
times, mostly not in conjunction with abductions. The missing time
element is a key factor, of course. But the marks on her wrists and
ankles suggest some form of physical restraint, not a common
element. A similar occurrence has been related in only one other
abduction, that in which the woman claimed to have been bound to a
chair and left alone for a period of time by the "aliens." There is no
evidence of any other marks on her body, nor of any post-abduction
symptoms other than bad dreams and a nervousness about going
outside at night. It is possible, considering the second-hand
evidence, that such symptoms may have simply gone unreported.
This couple apparently felt it their duty to report this sighting to the
AF, or perhaps because they felt that the AF might help explain to
them what had happened. They certainly did not seek publicity
afterwards, in fact apparently avoided it. This argues strongly in
favor of a real incident of some type having occurred.
Some limited attempts have been made to local John Stacy in the
Los Angeles area but have proved negative.
This case is not considered worthwhile for further investigation.
END OF DOCUMENT --
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