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thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 11:56 AM
Does the southwroth 100% cotton paper feel any different from the 25% cotton paper?

Also , anyone know what size is the best? 20lb/24lb/32lb ?
im guessing the 32lb is stronger than the 20lb as well as heavier?

Go down to WH Smith and feel the paper.

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 11:56 AM
Anyone hear about VersaMark Watermark Pen?
http://www.paperwishes.com/products/7214000000/versamark-watermark-pen
Its suppose to give a darker / shaded look on paper.
I wonder if it shows as a watermark when held to light.

Anyone have experience using this?

I looked at that a while ago, and tbh, it looks shit.

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 12:32 PM
Yeh but isn't it better than nothing?

It isn't really for making watermarks. It is for cardmaking and you put emboss powder onto it.

Just forget watermarks you don't need them anyway. People look at holograms and feel the paper.

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 02:21 PM
So does anybody know the best and cheapest inkjet printer for currency?

Jmerts
02-10-2012, 04:11 PM
I just bought a cmyk printer for 99 bucks. Same printing quality as the Epson r280. I forget the brand name (its senior skip day and I'm high as fuck) but the model was "small in one"

freedom
02-10-2012, 04:33 PM
So does anybody know the best and cheapest inkjet printer for currency?

i saw an epson p50 at staples for 60 the other day.

Normal price is 100+ for this one.

If you buy an epson remember to print a page every week, or the head will start to get clog.

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 05:55 PM
So let's discuss ways of passing the money. Obviously if you only pass one note at a time you won't get rich.

Besides selling to gangs what are some good ways?

I thought of maybe buying something fairly expensive on craigslist and using fake cash. If they say its fake just beat them up.

TCdboy
02-10-2012, 06:04 PM
Lol thunder

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 07:28 PM
Has anyone's friend's actually done an order for British pound note holograms?

Be it stickers or hot stamp.

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 08:51 PM
So let's discuss ways of passing the money. Obviously if you only pass one note at a time you won't get rich.

Besides selling to gangs what are some good ways?

I thought of maybe buying something fairly expensive on craigslist and using fake cash. If they say its fake just beat them up.

I knew of a person who bought Rolexes and diamond rings on craigslist with his phony cash and would sell them in another county or another state and made a huge profit.
He is probably still doing it but I know that he hasn't been caught. If a person has the heart to pull off this stunt then you will get paid. 100 percent profit! Remember, dress accordingly meet at a restaurant or mall. Make sure to pull this off flawlessly, bring a money bag with a zipper and lock on it, have a jewelers magnifying glass and pretend to be inspecting the merchandise. Make the seller feel as comfortable as possible, and make small quick conversation. Your entire transaction should take no more then 10 minutes. This is how the guy I knew of pulled it off flawlessly, every time!

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 09:06 PM
I also remember that same guy, how he went into home depot as soon as they opened up 1 morning spotted an old cashier about 65 to 70 years old and purchased 2 $300 power drills and returned the power drills across town at another home depot. Like I said earlier in the thread, this guy replicated 250,000 dollars worth of bank notes and made a profit of 190,000. Im sure that the bank notes he passed in businesses in stores work equipped with watermarks and security threads. The bank notes that he used to purchase items off of craigslist did not have watermarks or threads because it was very unlikely that a person will take time to analyze a bill. They are only focused on getting the cash getting it to a safe place.

Jmerts
02-10-2012, 09:10 PM
Good bit of info. I'd skip out on the magnifying glass personally though. I don't see it as being VERY necessary. I'd assume this would be best to do using bigger bills, since people would be most likely to personally stash away big bills instead of putting them in the bank.

Also would be good to use a burner phone as well as a laptop on public wifi with tor and spoofed Mac id

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Just remember that people who are in a position to sell expensive jewelry are not thinking twice about being paid with counterfeit money. They are more concerned about the deal going smoothly and getting the cash price that they ask for. One should focus on replicating detailed bank notes that look very very good and feel realistic. One should always count out the cash slowly so that you do not have to re count, put the money in an envelope, hand the envelope to the seller and say something clever or polite such as "now put this in a safe place or bury this deep down in your purse".:grinblunt:

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 09:23 PM
Yeh thunder good idea ... just beat him up!! its that easy. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Bad idea.

From my research by far the best idea is to work with drug dealers.
Two ways you can do this...
1) Sell a couple of grand at 40%-50%

2) Buy weed from them + sell to friends. Every drug dealer passes the drugs
quickly and doesn't hesitate to look at the money, they just want the money and to get out of the area before police.

Another way would be to use fast food restaurants as someone mentioned before.

It was a joke!!

And not everybody deals with drugs.

Most are normal people who don't have such "connections".

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 09:30 PM
Good bit of info. I'd skip out on the magnifying glass personally though. I don't see it as being VERY necessary. I'd assume this would be best to do using bigger bills, since people would be most likely to personally stash away big bills instead of putting them in the bank.

Also would be good to use a burner phone as well as a laptop on public wifi with tor and spoofed Mac id

In most cases when the seller post an ad on craigslist they will ask to meet at a jeweler to verify. If one makes mention that they have experience with fine jewelry and would like to inspect the jewelry themselves in a public place that will take away any suspicion and rule out the jewelry store. I would suppose that the guy would use the magnifying glass as a tool to help in his part. Yes most definitely use a burner phone. It does it hurt to send 1 or 2 emails prior to making a phone call to the seller. In your email ask about the merchandise to make it seem that you are interested. Also it is recommended to make up a phony email address as well. Dont forget to spray your fingertips and palm with liquid bandaid spray prior to meeting the cellar because you will be handeling the money.

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 09:32 PM
seller.

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 09:34 PM
A twist on the jewellery scam would be to have another guy as a fake police officer come up to the seller after the deal, and show him the money is counterfeit, then seize it and give the seller some fake info.

This way you get the jewellery and the seller won't have any fake cash to circulate.

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 09:40 PM
Yeh thunder good idea ... just beat him up!! its that easy. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Bad idea.

From my research by far the best idea is to work with drug dealers.
Two ways you can do this...
1) Sell a couple of grand at 40%-50%

2) Buy weed from them + sell to friends. Every drug dealer passes the drugs
quickly and doesn't hesitate to look at the money, they just want the money and to get out of the area before police.

Another way would be to use fast food restaurants as someone mentioned before.

No disrespect but you will not see a decent amount of profit from a petty drug transaction and fast food joints.

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 09:49 PM
A twist on the jewellery scam would be to have another guy as a fake police officer come up to the seller after the deal, and show him the money is counterfeit, then seize it and give the seller some fake info.

This way you get the jewellery and the seller won't have any fake cash to circulate.

Lol. Good one.:eek:

freedom
02-10-2012, 10:20 PM
Good luck to all of you scammers hoping to make profits from other people misery.
Havent you heard about karma?
It can hit you like a rock.

thunderfromdownunder
02-10-2012, 10:23 PM
Good luck to all of you scammers hoping to make profits from other people misery.
Havent you heard about karma?
It can hit you like a rock.

Its a dog eat dog world mate.

Everyone loses out to counterfeiting. It ruins the economy. People lose trust in their money.

Leave morals at the door.

Killstep
02-10-2012, 10:49 PM
LOL you guys are funny!

nah, but truthfully, im not in it to get filthy fucking rich... just wanna make a couple of bucks to supplement my current income...

hypothetically, take a funny $20 note buy something $5 or less, get back at least $15, do this at 8 spots .. boom you now have $120 in genuine cash... do this at drive throughs or bodegas...prolly only takes an hour - MAX - do this 4 days a week... I personally wouldn't be interested in making hundreds of thousands of dollars... OR make $200 in funny money....pass it at casino like i mentioned earlier... play a few games then cash the fuck out.

I dunno, just my personal thoughts and desires for this art.

Jmerts
02-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Fast food places are not a good way to exchange this money. Private transactions are definitely the way to go

Killstep
02-10-2012, 10:55 PM
Fast food places are not a good way to exchange this money. Private transactions are definitely the way to go

Hmm, i dont see why not, in a drive through they are fast and trying to get on to the next customer..

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 10:56 PM
Alex, from reading your post it doesn't sound like "anyone" that you know of has profited from this art. You don't have to worry about someone setting you up on craigslist. The guy who made a profit of 190,000 dollars was no idiot!; D

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 11:04 PM
Hmm, i dont see why not, in a drive through they are fast and trying to get on to the next customer..

Not always the case. What if the other bank note replicators thought so simpleminded, how easy do you think it would be to pass a note then?: /

TCdboy
02-10-2012, 11:04 PM
We'll it seems people r forgetting that if u have a high quality note it should pass any were and no one ever know unless they go straight to the bank and they detect it

I think we should worry less of how to pass it and focus more on how a high quality note is made at home!!

Mr Omerta
02-10-2012, 11:12 PM
We'll it seems people r forgetting that if u have a high quality note it should pass any were and no one ever know unless they go straight to the bank and they detect it

I think we should worry less of how to pass it and focus more on how a high quality note is made at home!!

To each his own. No harm in giving tips on how to get off of notes. Just as no harm in giving tips on how to replicate high quality notes.; D

freedom
02-10-2012, 11:20 PM
We'll it seems people r forgetting that if u have a high quality note it should pass any were and no one ever know unless they go straight to the bank and they detect it

I think we should worry less of how to pass it and focus more on how a high quality note is made at home!!

^
Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.
First make the damn art, then if its really good you will not have problems getting rid of it.

Thunder, Im sorry to tell you mate, but the economy is fucked up.
Dont worry about people losing faith in a monetary system made by criminals to make all the world dept slave.
And remember eye for an eye, all the world ends blind.
But I know what you mean with dog eat dog world... we have to change that and make it a world of love.

Killstep
02-10-2012, 11:52 PM
Not always the case. What if the other bank note replicators thought so simpleminded, how easy do you think it would be to pass a note then?: /

I wouldnt even consider passing it until i meets requirments...

We'll it seems people r forgetting that if u have a high quality note it should pass any were and no one ever know unless they go straight to the bank and they detect it

I think we should worry less of how to pass it and focus more on how a high quality note is made at home!!

EXACTLY! hypthetically i wouldn't pass a shitty made note... it would/must have passed pen test (easy, newsprint does this), security features (Talton's method does this) and feel.... i personally havent attempted Talton's method ... does anyone know how to replicate a US note's feel given Talton's method was implied??? hairspray?

anywhoo... you do this and you can pass a note virtually anywhere... unless they just downright refuse, but I would be willing to take the odds .

freedom
02-11-2012, 12:41 AM
I think everyone should focus on the feel of the paper, perfect that and you need not to worry about the notes being dettected as fake as cashiers are trained to feel the note and will be immediately alerted if the note feels weird.

Ways to simulate the feel would be to obviously use cotton paper, crumble it up and use the method I once mentioned... get an empty ballpoint pen, flip the note around and using a light box trace the areas where the raised ink should be. Should give a close enough feel to the real thing.

That or making a plate with a milling machine or even carving with a dremel.

Photopolymer may not be a good idea, the negative cant have lines smaller than 1mm because the light wont pass though and will not reveal.

Or you can make the photopolymer plate and then finish off with a file and a a dremel.

Alex, did you experiment with the paper? Can you get the snap from it?

freedom
02-11-2012, 01:42 AM
I guess all has been mentioned here, if one is interested in making a note, one can read previous posts.

But if the intention is to make the SUPERNOTE we need to talk about magnetic ink.

Apparently all you need to do is print with a laser printer with a MIRC toner the spots of the bill that require magnetic ink.

In euros is the top serial number and a piece of the note (that you can print in light gray and then print the note normally with the inkjet.

Is this the Holy Grail of the supernote?

Killstep
02-11-2012, 02:36 AM
i think that the US note takes different precautions..for obvious reasons.. I will order some all white newsprint, use elmers spray glue and glue two sides together and see how the snap feels... if your not doing this method then yes, you should use 20lb %100 cotton paper...once the ink is on it will thicken to match that of the note...you can add a light , very light coat of starch ..and/or hairspray... thats what i've researched thus far...

But i agree completely, we should focus on the feel and the look of the note...

Any advise on printing, the resolution....what should it be.... i've experimented and from 2 feet away the print looks pretty damn spot on... but if i were to really eyeball it...say 7 inches away...the print looks like shit

your thoughts?

Jmerts
02-11-2012, 02:37 AM
Everywhere I have looked I can't find out where the magnetic ink is on us dollars. Even the actual supernotes don't have magnetic ink. That is the one thing that they are missing

Mr Omerta
02-11-2012, 03:30 AM
Ubuntu doesn't appear to be working. Once you hit the print button it says printing job number 1 but it never prints anything. POS software!

freedom
02-11-2012, 11:24 AM
Ubuntu doesn't appear to be working. Once you hit the print button it says printing job number 1 but it never prints anything. POS software!

Ubuntu works fine here, does it recognise your printer?

@Killstep
I think the mininum acceptable is 1200dpi. Whats yours, 600?

@Jmerts
You need an infrared camera, or light, Im not sure, Ill searh on the internet this weekend.
The only thing youll see on the paper is the magnetic ink.

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 12:13 PM
Just a warning do NOT use fast food restaurants.

Someone on Bombshock a while ago got caught trying to pass a bleached dollar at McDonalds drive thru. They knew it was fake and he drove off.

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 01:24 PM
Idiot, he shouldn't of drove through... they have his reg then

Yeah but the only way of getting money is producing a large amount of good quality notes like Stephen Jory and devote your time to passing them and getting change.

Don't do it near your house. Travel the country paying with fake money. Train tickets, restaurants, paki shops, get the change and go.

Bank the change.

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 02:08 PM
Does anyone have Photoshop plans for holograms?

100 Euro needed
http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/3/6/4/large2/4631509.jpg

If you have any others let me know.

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 02:23 PM
Don't do the 100 euro, nobody uses them in europe... its rare to see them

Would 200 be better? I see a lot of counterfeiters do 500, but surely that is rarer?

freedom
02-11-2012, 02:42 PM
Don't do the 100 euro, nobody uses them in europe... its rare to see them

Ive used them twice and both times they checked under uv light.
Nowadays a tank of gas costs 70, they will not find weird or refuse the 100 and because there are few, they also dont know them as well as they know 20s or 50s...
Getting the colors right in photoshop for 100... thats another story.

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Anyone managed to get 40gsm 100% cotton paper for doing the 2 sheet method for euro?

TCdboy
02-11-2012, 06:57 PM
So does anybody know the best and cheapest inkjet printer for currency?
I was wondering this also my self but also who has the best printer between canon,espon and hp cuz I'm looking for something like the alps md. 5000 so I was looking at the canon pixma pro 1 or the espon 4900 which also has a great dpi! Or idk if hp has one of this quality. With the multi ink tank what do u guys think??

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 07:05 PM
I was wondering this also my self but also who has the best printer between canon,espon and hp cuz I'm looking for something like the alps md. 5000 so I was looking at the canon pixma pro 1 or the espon 4900 which also has a great dpi! Or idk if hp has one of this quality. With the multi ink tank what do u guys think??

If its for dollars you won't need anything fancy.

TCdboy
02-11-2012, 07:19 PM
Why do u say that thunder wouldn't u want the best equipment? Possible?

P`s
02-11-2012, 07:24 PM
A guy I know sells `fun` money at the rate of 20 for 60; Don`t ask me about quality (Haven`t seen yet).
If the `fun` money isn`t good enough then I will make my own `fun` money.
Can someone tell me how the italian guy made the watermark; I know it is screenprinting method but what is that cream thing he used.
Thanks in advance.

Mr Omerta
02-11-2012, 08:37 PM
I was wondering this also my self but also who has the best printer between canon,espon and hp cuz I'm looking for something like the alps md. 5000 so I was looking at the canon pixma pro 1 or the espon 4900 which also has a great dpi! Or idk if hp has one of this quality. With the multi ink tank what do u guys think??


I own 2 Canon Pro 1s. Magnificent quality...magnificent!

Mr Omerta
02-11-2012, 08:41 PM
If its for dollars you won't need anything fancy.

Lol. My Canons are fancy and my replicas are as well!:grinblunt:

thunderfromdownunder
02-11-2012, 08:48 PM
GONE

Killstep
02-11-2012, 09:22 PM
Ubuntu works fine here, does it recognise your printer?

@Killstep
I think the mininum acceptable is 1200dpi. Whats yours, 600?

@Jmerts
You need an infrared camera, or light, Im not sure, Ill searh on the internet this weekend.
The only thing youll see on the paper is the magnetic ink.

Freedom, my printer actually is set @ 4800 x 1200 dpi...

reading it looks like I may want to use Omerta's pro 1 :)

TCdboy
02-11-2012, 09:38 PM
Lol. My Canons are fancy and my replicas are as well!:grinblunt:
Which canon would be best for just starting up?

sterlingnoob
02-11-2012, 09:41 PM
If anyone needs 100 euro holograms ...
http://dgliyu.en.alibaba.com/productshowimg/444357180-200696998/Hot_stamping_hologram_hot_stamping_foil_label_hot_ stamping_foil_.html

Mr Omerta
02-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Which canon would be best for just starting up?

Canon mg5200. :)

freedom
02-11-2012, 10:19 PM
If anyone needs 100 euro holograms ...
http://dgliyu.en.alibaba.com/productshowimg/444357180-200696998/Hot_stamping_hologram_hot_stamping_foil_label_hot_ stamping_foil_.html

OMG. lolol. thanks for this.

They really mean it when they say anti-conterfeiter.
Passing 100 euro notes with this hologram is like signing the papers to enter in prison.

Mr Omerta, did your friend spent much time with photoshop to get the color right?
Has he tried to print euros?

Fat Autistic
02-11-2012, 11:35 PM
[QUOTE=Alexmon;3339420]Heard this book is good:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Counterfeit-Billionaires-vol-1-ebook/dp/B004TCLAD6/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328208473&sr=1-10


You have a free dl link cant find one online?

TCdboy
02-11-2012, 11:50 PM
Canon mg5200. :)
do u mean 5200 series? Cuz I can't find it for sale online will the canon mg 5220 work?

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 12:34 AM
I just finished watching a video where this kid went to Walmart with a counterfeit $100 bill and proceeded to gather a few items. He made small talk with the cashier, laughing and such, and he looked so casual knowing he was paying with a counterfeit bill. When the cashier received the bill, she felt it, was about to put it in the till, but then checked for watermarks and security strips. The kid surprisingly remained calm as she walked to another register to get a counterfeit pen. I assume it passed because the cashier put the bill in the till and proceeded with the transaction.

I want to find more videos like this

11cent
02-12-2012, 01:37 AM
i think that the US note takes different precautions..for obvious reasons.. I will order some all white newsprint, use elmers spray glue and glue two sides together and see how the snap feels... if your not doing this method then yes, you should use 20lb %100 cotton paper...once the ink is on it will thicken to match that of the note...you can add a light , very light coat of starch ..and/or hairspray... thats what i've researched thus far...

But i agree completely, we should focus on the feel and the look of the note...

Any advise on printing, the resolution....what should it be.... i've experimented and from 2 feet away the print looks pretty damn spot on... but if i were to really eyeball it...say 7 inches away...the print looks like shit

your thoughts?


Mix glue with a little water. Glue by itself is too thick.

Mr Omerta
02-12-2012, 03:01 AM
OMG. lolol. thanks for this.

They really mean it when they say anti-conterfeiter.
Passing 100 euro notes with this hologram is like signing the papers to enter in prison.

Mr Omerta, did your friend spent much time with photoshop to get the color right?
Has he tried to print euros?

Honestly I believe that it took him 2 weeks of trial and error to perfect the color. He also mentioned that he spent a great deal of time dealing with the detail in the UNSHARP MASK department. I don't believe he has ever experimented with the euro.

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 03:02 AM
Thunder, that guy who sells so called perfect 20 pound notes is a fake, your either lying or he is, FACT!

Jmerts... are you serious? cop on and talk properly ... I got annoyed when you said "making small talk with the cashier, laughing and such" its like you think you are smart but aren't . Post the video, or its bullshit.

Wait what?

Mr Omerta
02-12-2012, 03:02 AM
do u mean 5200 series? Cuz I can't find it for sale online will the canon mg 5220 work?

My apologies it is the m g 5220. Great starter.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 10:23 AM
Thunder, that guy who sells so called perfect 20 pound notes is a fake, your either lying or he is, FACT!

Jmerts... are you serious? cop on and talk properly ... I got annoyed when you said "making small talk with the cashier, laughing and such" its like you think you are smart but aren't . Post the video, or its bullshit.

Ehhh how? He is Diamond Dumpz. Big on the carding scene mate. He hires people worldwide check his site out nigga.

freedom
02-12-2012, 11:44 AM
Honestly I believe that it took him 2 weeks of trial and error to perfect the color. He also mentioned that he spent a great deal of time dealing with the detail in the UNSHARP MASK department. I don't believe he has ever experimented with the euro.

Thanks, so its confirmed, theres no easy way out.

Its funny with euros, the higher the value the bigger is the surprise you get when fine tunning the colors.

I was with my friend on the phone now and he was telling me the 100 euro note is very tricky. He has to do various spots, one at a time and hes not a photoshop pro..

And then theres the printer settings, I have no tip to share here cause I believe you get different results from every printer and every paper so its up to the artist to get it right.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 11:50 AM
What paper is everyone using? Just Southworth or is anyone using 40gsm or newsprint?

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 11:54 AM
I have a collection of white newsprint paper that I frequently use for my art projects. Through my many attempts at making a good piece of art, I figured out that I get the best looking art with two sheets of newsprint paper stuck together with a 3M spray adhesive

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 12:08 PM
I have a collection of white newsprint paper that I frequently use for my art projects. Through my many attempts at making a good piece of art, I figured out that I get the best looking art with two sheets of newsprint paper stuck together with a 3M spray adhesive

Is all newsprint the same thickness or did it have a certain gsm?

What are US dollars like? just feel like any other currency?

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 12:11 PM
I looked at white newsprint and it is cheap. Can only find it in 50gsm/55gsm though. Need more 40gsm.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 01:20 PM
There are ways of simulating the watermark using one sheet.

Besides screen printing, are there any other methods?

In-house methods not outsourcing from China.

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 01:58 PM
Here's the newsprint paper that I have

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0042SSUS0/ref=aw_d_detail?pd=1&qid=1326842382&sr=1-2

Damn cheap if you ask me

US dollars are probably very similar to euros. When crisp they have a sort of somewhat rough texture to them, and they stick together fairly easily. When worn, they feel soft, the cotton in them is definitely noticible with touch. The only thing I can compare it to is a sheet of notebook paper that has been crinkled up and flattened about 100 times.

Hairspray does a good job at mimicking the feel of currency

Leshrac
02-12-2012, 02:35 PM
Hey, anyone here ever tried to forge a "scratch" game ?

You know, tickets like these:

http://www.ecrans.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L450xH499/ilove-edd5b.jpg

People in shops or local newspaper stands never bother to really "check" them, so how about making supposedly "winning" tickets for 10 or 20 e/$ and cash them ?

Anyone have a clue what the hell the "scratching" part is made of ?

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 02:37 PM
Hey, anyone here ever tried to forge a "scratch" game ?

You know, tickets like these:

http://www.ecrans.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L450xH499/ilove-edd5b.jpg

People in shops or local newspaper stands never bother to really "check" them, so how about making supposedly "winning" tickets for 10 or 20 e/$ and cash them ?

Get the fuck out, nigger. This thread is for counterfeit currency.

Leshrac
02-12-2012, 02:47 PM
Get the fuck out, nigger. This thread is for counterfeit currency.

The goal is to illegaly acquire REAL currency, making it the SAME DAMN THING.

And if this is easier than making straight cash, why not ?

It could also be considered considerably less dangerous as you can just pretend you found the damn thing on the ground, an excuse that would hardly "pass" considering currency.

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 02:52 PM
Make a new thread called counterfeit scratchoffs it you want to talk about that. And they actually aren't easy to counterfeit because they all have a number sequence and bar code on them that get scanned which verifies that the scratchoff card is legit. So unless you can hack inti the computers of the company that creates the cards and you add in the necessary information, these aren't easy.

Oh, and this thread has always been and will always be about counterfeit money. The whole bad ideas section is for making money like you're talking about

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 03:00 PM
The goal is to illegaly acquire REAL currency, making it the SAME DAMN THING.

And if this is easier than making straight cash, why not ?

It could also be considered considerably less dangerous as you can just pretend you found the damn thing on the ground, an excuse that would hardly "pass" considering currency.

This thread is how to counterfeit currency. Not how to acquire it.

freedom
02-12-2012, 03:03 PM
Besides screen printing, are there any other methods?

In-house methods not outsourcing from China.

Watermarks are the feature thats easier for euros than for USD and GBP because of the heads of the criminals those last two have.

For euro make 2 stamps. One for the image and other for the number.
White ink for the image (that turns dark when you have light on background) and lemon juice for the number.

Cmon people, experiment, try, even if seems stupid.

Grab a sheet of paper from your printer, put a stripe of correction roller on it, look at the sun. woww, dark watermark

Put 2 drops of lemon juice on that paper, let dry, look at the sun. woww, clear watermark.

Get a carving or photopolymer stamp kit and get to work.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 03:12 PM
(that turns dark when you have light on background) put a stripe of correction roller on it

What are these? Explain??

freedom
02-12-2012, 04:08 PM
What are these? Explain??

its this http://www.uhu.com/en/products/correction-products/detail/uhu-correction-roller-compact-1.html?no_cache=1&step=52.5

It is just an example, its white but because its thick makes the watermark effect.

When dry, print the back of the note.

One can use that "correction ink" or other white ink that allows the inkjet printing after.

You must try, I dont know, I dont counterfeit, never will, Im just here for the knowledge.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 04:30 PM
its this http://www.uhu.com/en/products/correction-products/detail/uhu-correction-roller-compact-1.html?no_cache=1&step=52.5

It is just an example, its white but because its thick makes the watermark effect.

When dry, print the back of the note.

One can use that "correction ink" or other white ink that allows the inkjet printing after.

You must try, I dont know, I dont counterfeit, never will, Im just here for the knowledge.

Oh right. Surely it is visible when not held up to the light?

P`s
02-12-2012, 04:31 PM
its this http://www.uhu.com/en/products/correction-products/detail/uhu-correction-roller-compact-1.html?no_cache=1&step=52.5

It is just an example, its white but because its thick makes the watermark effect.

When dry, print the back of the note.

One can use that "correction ink" or other white ink that allows the inkjet printing after.

You must try, I dont know, I dont counterfeit, never will, Im just here for the knowledge.

You can`t use these inks on UK money as it would make a image of the watermark in white when not pointed up to a light (if you get what I mean). One should try using an ink which is transparent but has a larger density than the paper.

Also does anyone know what the white thing the Italian guy uses when he does the screen printing thing?

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 04:39 PM
You can`t use these inks on UK money as it would make a image of the watermark in white when not pointed up to a light (if you get what I mean). One should try using an ink which is transparent but has a larger density than the paper.

Also does anyone know what the white thing the Italian guy uses when he does the screen printing thing?

It's photo emulsion.

freedom
02-12-2012, 05:09 PM
You can`t use these inks on UK money as it would make a image of the watermark in white when not pointed up to a light (if you get what I mean). One should try using an ink which is transparent but has a larger density than the paper.

Also does anyone know what the white thing the Italian guy uses when he does the screen printing thing?

Sure, larger density than paper.

You can try with some transparent varnish, but the italian guy is using some sort of white ink.

I dont know about uk money, but euros are not white, so you can print the back of the note on top of the watermark you just made.

If ones lazy just buy expensive watermark ink from China.

Killstep
02-12-2012, 05:42 PM
I have a collection of white newsprint paper that I frequently use for my art projects. Through my many attempts at making a good piece of art, I figured out that I get the best looking art with two sheets of newsprint paper stuck together with a 3M spray adhesive

J, can you explain your art process a lil' more to me.. (feel free to private Message me if thats more comfortable for you) I'm interested in your art methods as that method makes most sense for US art.. is your art very good? which printer you using? I've experimented and used plain elmers glue and water and glue 2 plys of newsprint together... it dried too thick... how does this compare to your adhesive?

Killstep
02-12-2012, 05:43 PM
....i would be afraid that once printed sides are finished and am ready to glue... i wouldn't want the glue to make the ink run :(

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 05:51 PM
J, can you explain your art process a lil' more to me.. (feel free to private Message me if thats more comfortable for you) I'm interested in your art methods as that method makes most sense for US art.. is your art very good? which printer you using? I've experimented and used plain elmers glue and water and glue 2 plys of newsprint together... it dried too thick... how does this compare to your adhesive?

Print front of note on 1 sheet of newspaper.

Print watermark and security strip on the front side of the 2nd sheet of newspaper.

Print the back of the note on the back side of the 2nd sheet of newspaper.

Spray a thin coat of 3M spray mount on the front side of the 2nd sheet and stick the 1st sheet ontop.

Then leave to dry for 2 mins.

Chuck them in the dryer with fabric softner and poker chips.

Coat bills with hairspray.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 05:52 PM
Watermark ink from china is like $300-$400 per KG , cheap.

So is that ink used on the screen or filled into an ink cartridge for a inkjet printer?

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 05:53 PM
....i would be afraid that once printed sides are finished and am ready to glue... i wouldn't want the glue to make the ink run :(

Don't worry man, if you let the ink dry then it won't run.

Also, for those of you who need help with watermarks, I read online somewhere that when watermarks are made at the place that supplies the paper for the government (name slipped my mind, excuse me) that they are made by applying a lot of force onto the paper, which thins the paper ever so slightly in the design that was staked onto tithe paper, which makes the watermark.

Of course watermarks can easily be synthesized by printing on the inside of a sheet of paper, although that has already been said multiple times.

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 05:56 PM
Print front of note on 1 sheet of newspaper.

Print watermark and security strip on the front side of the 2nd sheet of newspaper.

Print the back of the note on the back side of the 2nd sheet of newspaper.

Spray a thin coat of 3M spray mount on the front side of the 2nd sheet and stick the 1st sheet ontop.

Then leave to dry for 2 mins.

Chuck them in the dryer with fabric softner and poker chips.

Coat bills with hairspray.

It is recommended to spray the bills with hairspray before throwing them in the dryer. Not only will it be easier to spray while the bill is still on the full sheet, but throwing the bills in the dryer to weather them just to crisp them back up with hair spray just doesn't make any sense :p

Killstep
02-12-2012, 05:57 PM
Don't worry man, if you let the ink dry then it won't run.

Also, for those of you who need help with watermarks, I read online somewhere that when watermarks are made at the place that supplies the paper for the government (name slipped my mind, excuse me) that they are made by applying a lot of force onto the paper, which thins the paper ever so slightly in the design that was staked onto tithe paper, which makes the watermark.

Of course watermarks can easily be synthesized by printing on the inside of a sheet of paper, although that has already been said multiple times.

Hows the thickness of your art.. also which printer?

Killstep
02-12-2012, 06:08 PM
It is recommended to spray the bills with hairspray before throwing them in the dryer. Not only will it be easier to spray while the bill is still on the full sheet, but throwing the bills in the dryer to weather them just to crisp them back up with hair spray just doesn't make any sense :p


....ya....also, in researching Talton... one story said that when McCorry came to his house to play chess, he noticed that the funny money was in the oven and that he questioned Talton. Perhaps he baked larged amounts of his funny money on a low temp for a short perioed of time?? or maybe he just wanted a place to stash the art.

Also, what the hell do the poker chips in a dryer do?

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 06:09 PM
If by art I hope you don't mean counterfeit money. I would never attempt to do that. Not worth it IMO. I just like reading all the information in this thread.

BUT if that isn't what you meant, the thickness of my art feels just fine to me. I would guess somewhere around 80 GSM if I glue two pieces together. The printer I have is the Epson stylus nx430. I read somewhere online that it doesn't have the rulesforuse.org thing

Jmerts
02-12-2012, 06:12 PM
....ya....also, in researching Talton... one story said that when McCorry came to his house to play chess, he noticed that the funny money was in the oven and that he questioned Talton. Perhaps he baked larged amounts of his funny money on a low temp for a short perioed of time?? or maybe he just wanted a place to stash the art.

Also, what the hell do the poker chips in a dryer do?

The only thing I can imagine the oven was used for was to crisp the bills. I don't think it would be used as a stash spot because my grandmother can find a better stash spot than that.

And the poker chips simulate years of wear and tear on a bill

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 06:30 PM
Watch: To Live And Die In L.A

Good movie about US counterfeiting.

thunderfromdownunder
02-12-2012, 06:43 PM
Do the hologram stickers feel weird and look raised when on paper??

Killstep
02-12-2012, 07:04 PM
If by art I hope you don't mean counterfeit money. I would never attempt to do that. Not worth it IMO. I just like reading all the information in this thread.

BUT if that isn't what you meant, the thickness of my art feels just fine to me. I would guess somewhere around 80 GSM if I glue two pieces together. The printer I have is the Epson stylus nx430. I read somewhere online that it doesn't have the rulesforuse.org thing

Yes, i dont want to counterfeit either... just fascinated with the graphic art aspect!

Mr Omerta
02-12-2012, 08:56 PM
You can silk screen watermark ink on. It is usually made for offset printers.

A way of making the notes look worn is to put a small bit of coffee grinds into a bowl, add a small bit of water and iron it onto the bills. Works best with US bills. You could also use a clean cement mixer, add things like pocker chips, coins and other common small things and there u have your money that looks + feels worn.

I would highly recommend NOT using coffee grounds, instead use tea bags. You will not be able to get the coffee smell off of your replica.:s

Mr Omerta
02-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Strathmore Marker Layout pads work well I hear for two sheets. The sheets are 13 pounds each. However the sheets are bright white so you may have to dye them if you are printing old US currency.

11cent
02-12-2012, 09:23 PM
why do all this dying when you need to get the color right on the computer. Dying money u will never get the right exact color. Thats just an extra step you do not need. If you cant get the color right on the computer then you need to practice with color adjustments on PS or something.

Killstep
02-12-2012, 09:48 PM
So people using albert taltons method, well for the watermark ... does anyone know how you make one on photoshop?
You don't want a solid image of the watermark to be printed as this looks totaly fake.
Look at this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/50_euro_watermark.jpg

You need to know how to make that image effect on photoshop or you have no hope.
Anyone know how?

shouldn't be too difficult but will take some time...

freedom
02-12-2012, 09:58 PM
So people using albert taltons method, well for the watermark ... does anyone know how you make one on photoshop?
You don't want a solid image of the watermark to be printed as this looks totaly fake.
Look at this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/50_euro_watermark.jpg

You need to know how to make that image effect on photoshop or you have no hope.
Anyone know how?

enjoy http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=yals8mwk6j25j0a
if it says file not file click download.

Change color and use blur tool.

11cent
02-13-2012, 01:17 AM
yea this is definitely not a plan to stick with! i called it the lazy way because some people who have access to the materials may use this because they dont want to put in the effort to make them perfect. its more of a way to build funds to actually start printing the more correct ways. the thing is you have to be patient with this method because this works about 5 out of 7 times.

its an ok printer, more of something to use if you dont have one at home, cause it only costs $60. make sure to pick up a usb printer cable, the walmart carries belkin i think, and its really easy to lift :rolleyes:

You is exactly right. I used to do the cheap easy method. It worked more with the cashiers then I though it was. It made me some money, but I really dont like doing it that way. If get caught say you got it from the gas station. You gave them a 20 and they gave you that ten back as change. That excuse works.

Just because a printer say something like 4,800x1,200 or something silimar. Make sure the dpi is that high in black, because that is the main color you are goin to be printing with.The details all in black. 600x600 black dpi is not that good.Thats is very average with no very fine details.You will not capture the details in the hair. So look for a printer with a high dpi in black.The printer Mr.omerta recommend, Canon pro 9000 look at high black dpi.

Mr Omerta
02-13-2012, 05:04 AM
One should focus on a HIGH print resolution. If one was to get a new crisp $100 bill and compare it to a Photoshoped replica...you would be AMAZED at the quality on a digital scale.

Killstep
02-13-2012, 06:46 AM
One should focus on a HIGH print resolution. If one was to get a new crisp $100 bill and compare it to a Photoshoped replica...you would be AMAZED at the quality on a digital scale.

I'm thinking of canon pixma mg5220

sterlingnoob
02-13-2012, 01:55 PM
How does counterfeit money get detected by the bank? what method do they use because surely thats the holy grail of this art.

-SecretAgentMan-
02-13-2012, 03:20 PM
I dont know if this has been mentioned because I havent read through all the pages but make sure you buy a printer with cash, not a credit card........every printer has something like its own fingerprints where its a series of dots that tell the feds what printer has printed the fake money.

Do not purchase a printer with a credit card but im assuming most of you know this............

-SecretAgentMan-
02-13-2012, 03:50 PM
Here is a link about a guy in 1991 that printed $15,000,000 of bogus money & got caught after a teenager in an arcade in a Vegas casino tore off a corner of a $20 bill to find out it was white inside.......http://www.counterfeitmillionaire.com/

Check out the videos about him for free.............

I dont know how you can replicate the security strips now a days................

thunderfromdownunder
02-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Here is a link about a guy in 1991 that printed $15,000,000 of bogus money & got caught after a teenager in an arcade in a Vegas casino tore off a corner of a $20 bill to find out it was white inside.......http://www.counterfeitmillionaire.com/

Check out the videos about him for free.............

I dont know how you can replicate the security strips now a days................

I saw that. One should use Ivory paper for USD.

TCdboy
02-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Hey thunder I don't think newsprint comes in ivory!

thunderfromdownunder
02-13-2012, 04:42 PM
Hey thunder I don't think newsprint comes in ivory!

1991 guy didn't use newsprint.

freedom
02-13-2012, 05:47 PM
How does counterfeit money get detected by the bank? what method do they use because surely thats the holy grail of this art.

I think this old quote from bcodevb answers your question?

There are plenty of things no one here has discussed like invisible Infrared ink patterns on the back of the bill, Yes the security strip is printed in magnetic ink, but so are other portions like certain areas of the front of the bill, each denomination has both, this is how machines detect/ read bills. If you include these steps and do a decent job at the rest of the bill, your bill will go undetected for a good while.



bcodevb, where are you?
did you get vanned?
I hope not and I wish you the all the best.
If you have something more to share with us about this subject please PM me.

Killstep
02-13-2012, 05:58 PM
[QUOTE=freedom;3369497]I think this old quote from bcodevb answers your question?

There are plenty of things no one here has discussed like invisible Infrared ink patterns on the back of the bill, Yes the security strip is printed in magnetic ink, but so are other portions like certain areas of the front of the bill, each denomination has both, this is how machines detect/ read bills. If you include these steps and do a decent job at the rest of the bill, your bill will go undetected for a good while.

I thought about this hypothetically... and I think it would depend on what one's goals would be should they counterfeit for a profit. If they are looking to make a little side money to help float them by then it seems like they shouldn't worry too much about what the banks catch. Counterfeit money are passed all over every city/town in the U.S. Now if you were to have an operation like Talton or the guy in the video posted above, then you'd probably want to make heed of extra security features because Big Brother/S.S. would notice the large quantities coming out of the same area.

So again, it all would depend on one's aspirations and grand plans...

freedom
02-13-2012, 06:48 PM
[QUOTE=freedom;3369497]I think this old quote from bcodevb answers your question?

There are plenty of things no one here has discussed like invisible Infrared ink patterns on the back of the bill, Yes the security strip is printed in magnetic ink, but so are other portions like certain areas of the front of the bill, each denomination has both, this is how machines detect/ read bills. If you include these steps and do a decent job at the rest of the bill, your bill will go undetected for a good while.

I thought about this hypothetically... and I think it would depend on what one's goals would be should they counterfeit for a profit. If they are looking to make a little side money to help float them by then it seems like they shouldn't worry too much about what the banks catch. Counterfeit money are passed all over every city/town in the U.S. Now if you were to have an operation like Talton or the guy in the video posted above, then you'd probably want to make heed of extra security features because Big Brother/S.S. would notice the large quantities coming out of the same area.

So again, it all would depend on one's aspirations and grand plans...

Right!
But even if youre happy with your art and youre making profit just selling to others, you can profit much more if its supernote.
Lets say if you sell a funny at 30%, a super would sell at 50% I guess.
And to say the truth, I would use fake supernotes myself, man that must must be a sweet feeling...

thunderfromdownunder
02-13-2012, 06:54 PM
[quote=Killstep;3369519]

Right!
But even if youre happy with your art and youre making profit just selling to others, you can profit much more if its supernote.
Lets say if you sell a funny at 30%, a super would sell at 50% I guess.
And to say the truth, I would use fake supernotes myself, man that must must be a sweet feeling...

Depends on the banknotes purpose.

In the UK I would not make a supernote because people only check feel and hologram.

Maybe some countries need a supernote.

TCdboy
02-13-2012, 07:55 PM
I think this old quote from bcodevb answers your question?

There are plenty of things no one here has discussed like invisible Infrared ink patterns on the back of the bill, Yes the security strip is printed in magnetic ink, but so are other portions like certain areas of the front of the bill, each denomination has both, this is how machines detect/ read bills. If you include these steps and do a decent job at the rest of the bill, your bill will go undetected for a good while.



bcodevb, where are you?
did you get vanned?
I hope not and I wish you the all the best.
If you have something more to share with us about this subject please PM me.

Hey thanks man for the tip do u have any more of his tips saved anywhere? He had great info but. It has all disappered!

Jmerts
02-13-2012, 08:05 PM
Figured you guys could help me out. Last night I printed a picture for my art class and glued two pieces together after coating it in hair spray for protection. I threw my piece of art in the dryer with some coins and dryer sheets to try to.make it look worn but when I took it out, it was as stiff as card board. What the hell did I do wrong? And what can I do to make them softer?

thunderfromdownunder
02-13-2012, 08:11 PM
Figured you guys could help me out. Last night I printed a picture for my art class and glued two pieces together after coating it in hair spray for protection. I threw my piece of art in the dryer with some coins and dryer sheets to try to.make it look worn but when I took it out, it was as stiff as card board. What the hell did I do wrong? And what can I do to make them softer?

You can't put the adhesive in the dryer.

You only put banknotes in the dryer if they are printed on 1 sheet.

You have to do coffee grind method for 2 sheet.

Mr Omerta
02-13-2012, 08:16 PM
I heard of a lady who walked into porn shop and bought 2 dvd's for 60 bucks. Paid for both of them with a legit 100 dollar bill. The clerk put the bill under a uv tester and put it in the cash register, didn't even look for a security thread or watermark. The lady went into her car, grabbed a replica that had been sprayed with Krylon UV ResistantClear Matte Spray. Went back inside and bought a 7 dollar magazine and walked away with 93 dollars.:grinblunt:

Mr Omerta
02-13-2012, 08:18 PM
You can't put the adhesive in the dryer.

You only put banknotes in the dryer if they are printed on 1 sheet.

You have to do coffee grind method for 2 sheet.

Not COFFEE, tea! Trust me on this one.

Akagi
02-13-2012, 08:36 PM
Seems to me that it would be much safer & easier to counterfeit M:TG cards & sell them on eBay. Not ones people are going to scrutinize with a jeweler's loupe like the Power 9 cards that go for hundreds/thousands of dollars a piece, but standard rares/mythics.

If you do a good enough job, nobody could tell and you could easily get between $25 - $50 a card for the right ones. Not as direct as printing & spending, but then again you won't have the secret service to worry about either.

thunderfromdownunder
02-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Seems to me that it would be much safer & easier to counterfeit M:TG cards & sell them on eBay. Not ones people are going to scrutinize with a jeweler's loupe like the Power 9 cards that go for hundreds/thousands of dollars a piece, but standard rares/mythics.

If you do a good enough job, nobody could tell and you could easily get between $25 - $50 a card for the right ones. Not as direct as printing & spending, but then again you won't have the secret service to worry about either.

Again, this is the wrong thread.

Here we talk about how to counterfeit money. Not how to counterfeit items with intent to get real money.

freedom
02-13-2012, 09:30 PM
Hey thanks man for the tip do u have any more of his tips saved anywhere? He had great info but. It has all disappered!

youre welcome.

You asked me a couple of weeks ago and sorry I didnt reply.

I save the stuff I find useful to notepad but its all mixed up and I dont know what part are his.

pretty much all he said has been discussed after.

For those fascinated with the idea of a supernote, I found something cool you can do for free at home and youll know your money better after.

All you need is a webcam and the remote from the tv.

1-Open the webcam, remove red glass (infrared blocker) and close webcam.

2-with the lights off, aim the camera to money and press the buttom from the tv remote ( like if the bill is the tv)


Infrared Webcam Conversion - YouTube

5 euro bill under infrared light - YouTube

freedom
02-13-2012, 10:24 PM
Freedom, alternatively you could just buy one.
I gauruntee not one person here will do that.

I dont know how much it costs, but I had an old webcam here and with the right phillips screwdriver only takes 5 min to make it for free.

With some cameras it might be difficult to disasemble and you can break it though.

Killstep
02-13-2012, 11:40 PM
Not COFFEE, tea! Trust me on this one.

explain please... how does this method work?

Killstep
02-13-2012, 11:45 PM
Figured you guys could help me out. Last night I printed a picture for my art class and glued two pieces together after coating it in hair spray for protection. I threw my piece of art in the dryer with some coins and dryer sheets to try to.make it look worn but when I took it out, it was as stiff as card board. What the hell did I do wrong? And what can I do to make them softer?

I experimented by doing the same thing and it came out stiff as fuck

Killstep
02-13-2012, 11:45 PM
also, wouldnt dipping the notes into any liquid run or bleed the ink???

Jmerts
02-14-2012, 12:58 AM
Yes it would

Killstep
02-14-2012, 02:07 AM
Yes it would

so then how do you weather the notes??

the hairspray on newsprint is spot on ... but i can only see this working if one was to make CRISP notes..

Mr Omerta
02-14-2012, 02:10 AM
also, wouldnt dipping the notes into any liquid run or bleed the ink???

Dye, hang dry and then print.

11cent
02-14-2012, 02:11 AM
http://i39.tinypic.com/2j3302q.png

A hundred dollar strip I made. I used two different fonts to try to get it as close to da real thread.

11cent
02-14-2012, 02:19 AM
You dont spray with hair spray then put them in the dryer. The hair spray makes them hard. Anybody knows that.

Mr Omerta
02-14-2012, 02:20 AM
explain please... how does this method work?

Drop 1 or 2 tea bags in a pitcher as if you were making tea. Once the tea bags have turned the water brown, pour into pan and carefully insert each page. Be delicate, don't rip your sheets. Hang dry or blow dry. Then print.

Mr Omerta
02-14-2012, 02:23 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ufr9jk.png

A hundred dollar strip I made. I used two different fonts to try to get it as close to da real thread.

Nice, by chance can you get the little flags in between????

11cent
02-14-2012, 02:30 AM
Nice, by chance can you get the little flags in between????

Hunderd dollar bill dont have the flags in between. It just have USA 100 then rewrote backward along the whole strip.

Killstep
02-14-2012, 02:48 AM
Drop 1 or 2 tea bags in a pitcher as if you were making tea. Once the tea bags have turned the water brown, pour into pan and carefully insert each page. Be delicate, don't rip your sheets. Hang dry or blow dry. Then print.

ah ha, so weather the paper first to soften it then print??
hmm, is the tea for coloring or strictly for feel??
i've experimented and i wouldn't need coloring, the printer does that??

just curious ;)

11cent
02-14-2012, 02:55 AM
ah ha, so weather the paper first to soften it then print??
hmm, is the tea for coloring or strictly for feel??
i've experimented and i wouldn't need coloring, the printer does that??

just curious ;)

I think the tea is to put a stain on the paper. I heard someone soak their paper in fabric softener, then let them air dry. I never did it before,so I cant tell you if it works or not.

Mr Omerta
02-14-2012, 04:34 AM
ah ha, so weather the paper first to soften it then print??
hmm, is the tea for coloring or strictly for feel??
i've experimented and i wouldn't need coloring, the printer does that??

just curious ;)

Tea would only be used to stain bright white paper.

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 11:48 AM
I think the tea is to put a stain on the paper. I heard someone soak their paper in fabric softener, then let them air dry. I never did it before,so I cant tell you if it works or not.

On bomshock forums people used to use fabric softner (downy). It worked pretty well.

Jmerts
02-14-2012, 01:50 PM
I use tresemme or whatever brand hair spray on my artwork for school and I think it does a decent enough job at making my artwork feel crisp. I will try lacquer though. It would have to be a matte lacquer, I don't want to have my work shiny because it might reflect light into my eyes and blind me

P.S. ~ if I throw my art in the dryer before putting hairspray on it and before adhering two pieces together, would it give a more desired feel to it?

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 02:10 PM
I use tresemme or whatever brand hair spray on my artwork for school and I think it does a decent enough job at making my artwork feel crisp. I will try lacquer though. It would have to be a matte lacquer, I don't want to have my work shiny because it might reflect light into my eyes and blind me

P.S. ~ if I throw my art in the dryer before putting hairspray on it and before adhering two pieces together, would it give a more desired feel to it?

Worn bills aren't crisp so don't need to put hairspray on them.

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 03:50 PM
Only put the bills into dryer if using one sheet, because when they come out all worn you won't be able to glue them.

Unless you glue them before hand. And before you say it, photo spray mount won't melt. Dryer on a low temperature.

TCdboy
02-14-2012, 04:03 PM
Hey thunder we should make a tutorial fir us and euros so all the info can found in one place?

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 04:05 PM
US people, could you print $20's onto southworth 24lb 25% cotton paper without watermarks etc and would they be checked?

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 04:35 PM
For holograms , people buy security "void" labels and punch the shape out with custom logo punches

do they? where have you seen this?

11cent
02-14-2012, 05:38 PM
US people, could you print $20's onto southworth 24lb 25% cotton paper without watermarks etc and would they be checked?

No. you just cant print 20s on that kinda of paper. Some people check them with the pen, and if they dont have the pen they will quickly hold it to the light to check for the strip. I had that dont to me in the pass couple of weeks they checked my 20s, which were real, held them in the air to look for the strip. Americans know that is the most counterfeit bill, so what must be done to a hundred dollar bill must be done to a twenty.

11cent
02-14-2012, 05:40 PM
Hey thunder we should make a tutorial fir us and euros so all the info can found in one place?

Yes all this back and fourth from Euros to Us currency info all jumble together

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 05:47 PM
My friend really wants to do British notes.

He is going to, when he gets a little bit more capital together to start off.

Hot stamp holograms from China. 5 & 10.

Using Southworth cotton paper. No watermarks as nobody checks.

Silver hot foil for the security thread.

He also might do 20 & 50.

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 06:05 PM
My dogs uncles friends aunt wants to counterfeit US dollars because they seem easy to do ... the problem is getting rid of the money... you would never find an american tourist around where she lives ... so she has no fence to sell to.

Sell them online.

Killstep
02-14-2012, 06:38 PM
Lol.. Ya for US notes the two newsprint method should be used aka Taltons method.

After art is glued...then just crinkle and then hairspray for texture, let dry...kinda crinkle again. Just have a crisp bill, who gives a shit if it passes pen and thread and watermark tests... Cuz I can't find a clear cut way to weather the art work once spray mounted.

I agree a tutorial should be made for both currencies. TRIED AND TRUE PLEASE. NOT STUFF THAT YOU RESEARCHED PLEASE :).

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 06:46 PM
Lol.. Ya for US notes the two newsprint method should be used aka Taltons method.

After art is glued...then just crinkle and then hairspray for texture, let dry...kinda crinkle again. Just have a crisp bill, who gives a shit if it passes pen and thread and watermark tests... Cuz I can't find a clear cut way to weather the art work once spray mounted.

I agree a tutorial should be made for both currencies. TRIED AND TRUE PLEASE. NOT STUFF THAT YOU RESEARCHED PLEASE :).

Bombshock counterfeit thread was huge. They were mostly US dollars and they posted pics of there work. Everyone here post pics if you have made currency.

It is not illegal unless you spend it.

Mr Omerta
02-14-2012, 07:15 PM
tried to post pics of artwork however it's asking for a URL.

thunderfromdownunder
02-14-2012, 07:16 PM
tried to post pics of artwork however it's asking for a URL.

Upload to http://tinypic.com

Then put the [IMG] code in the post.

freedom
02-14-2012, 10:36 PM
eat@my.ass

Thats a link to send you an email.
Try here Omerta, sorry, Mr Ormeta.

http://www.mediafire.com/
its very easy to upload, if need help send me a PM.

thanks in advance for sharing

Mr Omerta
02-14-2012, 10:50 PM
I think someone hacked my acct. (Eat @ my ass) wtf!!!

freedom
02-14-2012, 11:26 PM
I think someone hacked my acct. (Eat @ my ass) wtf!!!

Dont worry Omerta, I saw before it was this (eat my ass) shit.
Weird things happen in this forum, deleted quotes, now hacking, wtf???
Stupid kids..

skygear
02-15-2012, 12:11 AM
i hope you used the pic cleaner script before uploading those... you might have a geo tag and other info imbedded!

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 12:23 AM
No I need for any of that because I am not doing anything illegal.: ]

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 01:02 AM
On another note, those pictures were taken long before geotagging was invented.:smug:

TCdboy
02-15-2012, 01:29 AM
Here is a picture of some artwork that unfortunately caught fire burned up!

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=37t4rioslutu43m
Nice work mr omerta! But I hope ur taking all the necessary precautions. Like using a proxy. Like tor and using a free wifi network cuz the damn ss ain't no joke and they don't play fair anymore damn patriotAct!!

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 01:54 AM
Nice work mr omerta! But I hope ur taking all the necessary precautions. Like using a proxy. Like tor and using a free wifi network cuz the damn ss ain't no joke and they don't play fair anymore damn patriotAct!!

The united states secret service does not have any jurisdiction on the island that I'm on. Then again if I was on US soil I wouldn't have any worries because I have not committed any crimes or admitted to any crimes. From what I have researched the secret service focuses on counterfeiting operations not 4 bills that were posted online. If they want to spend countless hours trying to track me down in the british virgin islands, let them. Im not a counterfeiter.

Akagi
02-15-2012, 02:19 AM
Here is a picture of some artwork that unfortunately caught fire burned up!

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=37t4rioslutu43m

Edge of one of the bills looks to have red ink on it and I'm not seeing any fibers, although that could be due to the resolution.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 02:45 AM
Edge of one of the bills looks to have red ink on it and I'm not seeing any fibers, although that could be due to the resolution.

Adding ink spots to certain parts of bills gives the added look of authenticity I guess. I cant be certain about these notes I did not create them. Also I'm not sure if the creator of this artwork knew how to incorporate blue n red fibers into his artwork at the time he created them.

Killstep
02-15-2012, 05:40 AM
Adding ink spots to certain parts of bills gives the added look of authenticity I guess. I cant be certain about these notes I did not create them. Also I'm not sure if the creator of this artwork knew how to incorporate blue n red fibers into his artwork at the time he created them.

I saw ur pics of your friend's art.. It looks really spot on..ESP the 50 dollar replica

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 06:25 AM
I saw ur pics of your friend's art.. It looks really spot on..ESP the 50 dollar replica

I believe his $100s are years old. The 50 was replicated possibly several months ago. If I am not mistaking the 50 was replicated with the canon pro 1.

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 09:27 AM
I believe his $100s are years old. The 50 was replicated possibly several months ago. If I am not mistaking the 50 was replicated with the canon pro 1.

what type of paper did your friend use? those pics r siick. really beliveable

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 09:46 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=3r13n951zfm6cep

the front of this fifty was printed using the printer u mentioned??

Akagi
02-15-2012, 10:01 AM
That's probably an actual $50 from the US mint. Looks like it has microprint & fine line printing patterns.

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 10:12 AM
Hmm trynna figure the right type of paper to use.... theres ivory mentioned, Strathmore Marker Layout pads , southworth 24lb 25% cotton paper... i tried da southworth but its a bit too thick n the color of the paper still looks white compared to the real bill. ill try dying them with the tea bags see how that goes...

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 11:57 AM
That's probably an actual $50 from the US mint. Looks like it has microprint & fine line printing patterns.

You don't know shit.

Micro printing can be replicated with Vector image editing programs.

And don't worry about posting pics everyone did on bombshock.

Akagi
02-15-2012, 12:12 PM
Looked real from the given resolution. Can't distinguish them without high res scans and proof of watermark/secthread.

sterlingnoob
02-15-2012, 12:13 PM
Micro printing can be replicated with Vector image editing programs.



care to expain this one?

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 12:35 PM
care to expain this one?

I don't know about it. I know people who have made US $100 bills and replicated micro printing with vector editing.

Jmerts
02-15-2012, 01:42 PM
This might sounds like a noob question, but can anybody help me on how I can print more than one picture on a piece of paper without losing the size or resolution of my photo?

Killstep
02-15-2012, 02:19 PM
This might sounds like a noob question, but can anybody help me on how I can print more than one picture on a piece of paper without losing the size or resolution of my photo?

If u wish to have multiple art printed on one page then u need to adjust the canvas size not the image size

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 03:02 PM
What DPI would you suggest is needed for a printer. My friend is going to buy a printer for under 50 but doesn't know which one yet. Suggestions would be good. Cheapish ones which can print high quality.

sterlingnoob
02-15-2012, 03:28 PM
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/epson-stylus-s22-colour-inkjet-printer-06767168-pdt.html

Out of stock so ebay would be the way, but seems good

then when you have a bit of capital..

http://www.dixons.co.uk/gbuk/canon-pixma-ix6550-a3-colour-inkjet-printer-10849376-pdt.html?srcid=867&cmpid=comp~Google~~10849376&istCompanyId=4be69b13-f6de-4a80-8d9b-22e0185f57a7&istItemId=wlrlmwmt&istBid=t

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 03:40 PM
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/epson-stylus-s22-colour-inkjet-printer-06767168-pdt.html

Out of stock so ebay would be the way, but seems good

then when you have a bit of capital..

http://www.dixons.co.uk/gbuk/canon-pixma-ix6550-a3-colour-inkjet-printer-10849376-pdt.html?srcid=867&cmpid=comp~Google~~10849376&istCompanyId=4be69b13-f6de-4a80-8d9b-22e0185f57a7&istItemId=wlrlmwmt&istBid=t

Thanks I saw the first on on eBay. Is it actually good for printing currency though? Is 5760 x 1440 DPI enough?

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 03:40 PM
what type of paper did your friend use? those pics r siick. really beliveable

Im not sure. He didnt discuss that. One may want to experiment with Canson 18lb marker layout pads for attempting the exact result as the $50. :grinblunt:

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 03:50 PM
That's probably an actual $50 from the US mint. Looks like it has microprint & fine line printing patterns.

For a person who holds the title of a BARON, you are dissapointing! Dont be naive to high reso scans, pro quality equipment and PROGRAMS!!:applaud:

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 03:55 PM
the front of this fifty was printed using the printer u mentioned??

One may look into obtaining a Canon pixma pro 1 to achieve the quality of a $50, I guess. Im not a expert in these things.: ]

sterlingnoob
02-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Thanks I saw the first on on eBay. Is it actually good for printing currency though? Is 5760 x 1440 DPI enough?

I presume so its certainly the best ive seen thats cheap, the A3 printer is the ideal one though..

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 04:01 PM
What DPI would you suggest is needed for a printer. My friend is going to buy a printer for under 50 but doesn't know which one yet. Suggestions would be good. Cheapish ones which can print high quality.

Im told by professionals that 96004800 or 48002400 is possibly the best for replicating EXTREME DETAIL!:smug:

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 04:07 PM
Looked real from the given resolution. Can't distinguish them without high res scans and proof of watermark/secthread.

Wow! Im sure if the creator of that artwork had the opportunity to view your comment he would want to say THANK YOU.

freedom
02-15-2012, 04:20 PM
As an art apreciator I congratulate your friend Mr Omerta.
Very nice details although I cant judge us dollars, only had dollars in my hands a few times:(

freedom
02-15-2012, 04:46 PM
The united states secret service does not have any jurisdiction on the island that I'm on. Then again if I was on US soil I wouldn't have any worries because I have not committed any crimes or admitted to any crimes. From what I have researched the secret service focuses on counterfeiting operations not 4 bills that were posted online. If they want to spend countless hours trying to track me down in the british virgin islands, let them. Im not a counterfeiter.


Words of wisdom!

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TCdboy
02-15-2012, 05:28 PM
No alexmon he used newsprint for a place called. Paper mart in the us

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 06:00 PM
Mr Omerta, you mentioned Canson 18lb marker layout pads... this is 70gsm... whats it like?

As anyone should know brand new money is extremely light and crisp. However do to wear paper currency develops a weighted texture and feel. One could spray the sheets with a spray bottle containing grain alcohol, let dry and then print the artwork. Resulting in a crisp and authentic feeling replica...again im not a professional artist so I cant be certain.: ]

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 06:04 PM
One maybe impressed by using Canson 18 pound paper for a one sheet replica. One may also look into working 25 percent cotton paper, 20lb respectively.

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 06:14 PM
Will this Canson paper be any good?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canson-Kraft-Paper-White-NEW-/350516580293?pt=UK_Crafts_DrawingSupplies_EH&hash=item519c6a8fc5#ht_1517wt_987

65gsm "very tough paper is ideal for personalized gift wrapping, decoration and drawings. 70 x 300cm. 65gsm"

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 06:24 PM
Will this Canson paper be any good?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canson-Kraft-Paper-White-NEW-/350516580293?pt=UK_Crafts_DrawingSupplies_EH&hash=item519c6a8fc5#ht_1517wt_987

65gsm "very tough paper is ideal for personalized gift wrapping, decoration and drawings. 70 x 300cm. 65gsm"

I have no experience with this type of paper. Its very similiar to what is sold in the states. Purchase a small amount and test, 1 sheet not 2.

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 06:54 PM
Try counterfeiting these bad boys:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6572305535_35d779a73e_z.jpg

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Try counterfeiting these bad boys:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6572305535_35d779a73e_z.jpg

Lol. Im almost positive that counterfeiting currency is illegal.

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 07:27 PM
Im not sure. He didnt discuss that. One may want to experiment with Canson 18lb marker layout pads for attempting the exact result as the $50. :grinblunt:

Alriight thanks ill try those n damn that priinter is fckng expensive as shiit but im guessing its worth it for that price. :lsd:

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 07:32 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=gwf8wcm0ujk332c Compliments of Art Williams/latest digital tech!
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=36lw5shxksqs9re

LOL! dis da exact bill im working wiith right now. only questiion, how did u change the serial numbers? PS? If so i dunno how to do that .. -_-

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:33 PM
Alriight thanks ill try those n damn that priinter is fckng expensive as shiit but im guessing its worth it for that price. :lsd:

If one is just beginning the craft with artwork, why not start off with the canon m g 5220

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 07:37 PM
If one is just beginning the craft with artwork, why not start off with the canon m g 5220

Ive got canon mp280 and canon mx410 at the moment which do u prefer is better?

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:37 PM
The motion thread on the 50pound note seems difficult, only an expert would defeat this kind technology in notes. It is in new US $100 bill.

A way of knowing if someone is committed to the work he/she may attempt to replicate it and never give up untill he/she defeats it. A person who is just doing it for the money may skip this and label it as "too much work" and move down to a smaller denomination, this my friends is called laziness.

Fortunately the united states government fucked up hundreds of millions worth of the new 100 dollar bills. The release of that note has been suspended indefinitely! They had to destroy every single note.: ]

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:39 PM
Ive got canon mp280 and canon mx410 at the moment which do u prefer is better?.

m p 280.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Mr omerta, you mentioned grain alcohol, is this better than lacquer?

Lacquer has a very high odor. However it is not the same as grain alcohol. To b honest you can soak the paper in water. Alcohol just evaporate rapidly unlike water.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:47 PM
MX410 has much better alignment

mp 280 is designed more 4 photo and detail, the mx 410 is more of an office printer.

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 07:48 PM
Is the MP280 good because my friend might get it for Euros, Pounds, and Dollars.

P`s
02-15-2012, 07:50 PM
Surely a duplex printer is the best printer for this art; you wouldn`t have to line up the page exactly after printing one side because you would print both sides at the same time

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 07:50 PM
Fuck me ink is more expensive than the fucking MP280 itself.

You cant buy XCM ink for it, what a load of shit.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:52 PM
LOL! dis da exact bill im working wiith right now. only questiion, how did u change the serial numbers? PS? If so i dunno how to do that .. -_-

Whooooa! I have never counterfeited money or switched any serial numbers, THATS ILLEGAL! One can easily research online how to paste numbers or letters using photoshop.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 07:55 PM
You can get Low Odor Lacquer though ...

what would be the purpose for using lacquer?

freedom
02-15-2012, 07:57 PM
LOL! dis da exact bill im working wiith right now. only questiion, how did u change the serial numbers? PS? If so i dunno how to do that .. -_-

I know is boring and frustrating starting to work with photoshop or paint.net if you have no experience, but theres no way around.
Unless someone makes a tutorial on how to counterfeit currency (wich will not gonna happen) you must spend some time on youtube learning how to use the main tools.

Magic wand, color range, curves, hue and saturation, brightness and contrast, clone stamp, are some tools one must know.

You can change the serial with the clone stamp or you can make a template of the note without serials, make these separately and copy-paste after.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Fuck any other printer ... Canon PIXMA Pro9500 Mark II is the best around.

I totally agree. I knew of a individual who owned a pair of those, he destroyed them once he purchased 2 canon pro 1s.

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 08:02 PM
I know is boring and frustrating starting to work with photoshop or paint.net if you have no experience, but theres no way around.
Unless someone makes a tutorial on how to counterfeit currency (wich will not gonna happen) you must spend some time on youtube learning how to use the main tools.

Magic wand, color range, curves, hue and saturation, brightness and contrast, clone stamp, are some tools one must know.

You can change the serial with the clone stamp or you can make a template of the note without serials, make these separately and copy-paste after.

You are most definitely on the correct path! :)

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 08:04 PM
Anyone want to give instructions on how to place 3 notes on the one page using photoshop?
My dog doesn't know how to put 3 euro notes on the one page so he can print it.

increase your canvas size and make duplicates of the image.

HawaiianStyle
02-15-2012, 08:09 PM
I know is boring and frustrating starting to work with photoshop or paint.net if you have no experience, but theres no way around.
Unless someone makes a tutorial on how to counterfeit currency (wich will not gonna happen) you must spend some time on youtube learning how to use the main tools.

Magic wand, color range, curves, hue and saturation, brightness and contrast, clone stamp, are some tools one must know.

You can change the serial with the clone stamp or you can make a template of the note without serials, make these separately and copy-paste after.

thanks but i have no problem with the Magic wand, color range, curves, hue and saturation, brightness and contrast . jus the clone stamp n making the template without the serial

Mr Omerta
02-15-2012, 08:10 PM
Fuck me ink is more expensive than the fucking MP280 itself.

You cant buy XCM ink for it, what a load of shit.

Lol. Google the price of ink for the canon pro 1. Once you begin to profit ink will not matter.

freedom
02-15-2012, 08:11 PM
I totally agree. I knew of a individual who owned a pair of those, he destroyed them once he purchased 2 canon pro 1s.

:rofl: that individual should write a book :rofl:
Everybody is fascinated with the movies and books of the so called "masterminds".
I get fascinated with the life story of a real MASTERMIND.
They exist, I know more that one myself, all people know is they have unknown business. : ]

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 09:09 PM
Take a look at this video.
SOLDI FALSI Pernice 05 07 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2NVXw1S_rs)

The replicas look useless ... anyone would notice they are fake.

The dies they use look precise ... they seem to have a lot of detail in them... I wonder how they made them.

Lol they look hilarious. The holograms look good though. Am I blind, where are the dies?

thunderfromdownunder
02-15-2012, 09:21 PM
I was talking about the hologram dies/plates, the ones used to stamp the shape of the hologram. Look at the whole video.

I did look but the video is poor quality.

Do you mean these:
http://i44.tinypic.com/im5amq.png

Killstep
02-15-2012, 10:02 PM
so weather paper first, glue then print...

Jmerts
02-16-2012, 03:01 AM
I'm going to go ahead and stop posting in this thread. I've given you all a bit of information that I've learned from years of being an art student. I do not want people to assume I counterfeit currency because I do not and I never will. I just figured I would share some of the techniques I have

cgregory23
02-16-2012, 04:44 AM
^^^nooo! Let's keep this thread going strong

Akagi
02-16-2012, 09:34 AM
Fuck me ink is more expensive than the fucking MP280 itself.

Yep. Most printers are disposable nowadays due to the ink costing more than the device. The only way around it is to know how to refill the cartridges and some printers have countermeasures to prevent this so they'll refuse to print even when the ink levels are sufficient because they know that cartridge has been previously spent. Also refilling only works a certain number of times and the ink you get can result in diminished quality if you don't know precisely what kind to get.

Killstep
02-16-2012, 09:44 AM
i think the problem is that some actually make art and others just say they do and fabricate with information that they think may work as good art or have heard of techniques. Some information contradicts what others have shared.

Its pretty simple, state what works for you for the art and state what doesn't... if this is done then there should only be clear cut explanations as to what works. Not a bunch of stuff that peeps say that works... stop fabricating stories and share what you've personally (or a "friend" LOL) experimented with and works!!! SIMPLE!

personally i've never created a great note. real talk niggas!

please share your methods that you personally use , step by step, to create your GOOD-ENOUGH-ART (no feds is going to kick in your door for sharing INFORMATION). If you haven't walked the walk then stop lying. If this is done then there really shouldn't be any reason this thread should go on because all tried and true knowledge would be posted.

A person who comes to this thread new should be able to read all posts and have no questions.

freedom
02-16-2012, 11:58 AM
Yep. Most printers are disposable nowadays due to the ink costing more than the device. The only way around it is to know how to refill the cartridges and some printers have countermeasures to prevent this so they'll refuse to print even when the ink levels are sufficient because they know that cartridge has been previously spent. Also refilling only works a certain number of times and the ink you get can result in diminished quality if you don't know precisely what kind to get.

what about CISS (continuous ink supply system)
anyone has something to say about it?

freedom
02-16-2012, 12:02 PM
^^^nooo! Let's keep this thread going strong

Yes, there is always new products, new techniques.
I believe sharing is the key to sucess, in this art and many others.

thunderfromdownunder
02-16-2012, 12:05 PM
I studied Art & Design for 2 years by the way.

But we have enough info on how to counterfeit money now.

Next we should discuss how to make PERFECT supernotes like 500Euro with UV ink and colour shift and everything.

Alexmon
02-16-2012, 12:40 PM
We should discuss the UV ink on money. We should be talking about:

- Best printer for the job
- Best source for the ink cartridges
- How the money looks under UV , e.g. post pics.
- Stopping the ink from bleeding after coating it with UV ink.
- Screen printing it VS. Using a printer + cartridges


Personally, I have an answer for all the above ^
In my oppinion , The best way of going about this would be to use a printer, a seperate printer from the one you use to print the currency off with, although there isn't anything wrong with screen printing.
A good printer to use would be an Epson module, but it doesn't have to be EXTREME quality... an average quality one would do. You are looking for an epson module that can hold invisible UV ink cartridges so go to http://uvstuff.com/ for a look.
When printing the UV ink you need UV inhibitor ... unless you are using Non Fluorescent paper which I doubt anyone is using because I here you all are using 100% cotton paper for Euro notes. So go to an art store and ask for UV inhibitor spray.
Also , with your main printer ... the one you use to print the Euro image onto... you need to use pigment ink ... this is ink that just lies flat on the paper rather than dye ink which can bleed easy. So when you print the UV ink on top of the pigment based ink it won't bleed.
It would be good if people were to post pics of UV ink templates, I think we should focus on this. Someone got the image of the €10 off wikipedia with the UV ink and took out all the purple and made a template.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/010euro-uv.JPG

It would be good if there was more of them posted.



To everyone sending me messages saying "how duz I cuntirfit ? plzzzzz tellllll"
FUCK OFF learn yourself like I did, I don't counterfeit by the way... I just like learning about it ... its wrong very very WRONG! Go get a job.

freedom
02-16-2012, 01:05 PM
Anyone knows this language?
I presume theyre saying the bills pass the machine test.
Hear the snap the note makes @ 1.35, sick!

ΑΤΡΑ ΓΕΜΙΣΕ Η ΑΓΟΡΑ ΛΑΣΤΑ ΕΥΡΩ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΣΕ ΧΑΡΤΟΝΟΜΙΣΜΑΤΑ ΤΩΝ 5 - YouTube


Check this guy, no doubt hes a real artist

Polska Policja - CBŚ zlikwidowało największy ośrodek fałszerski pieniędzy euro w Europie - YouTube

thunderfromdownunder
02-16-2012, 02:29 PM
The first video is Greek. I saw that a while ago.

thunderfromdownunder
02-16-2012, 03:44 PM
Some videos of Euros for inspiration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTo7pclDbVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6vRuM_oDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjjrpEx_v80

Lots of Fake Euro coins!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbqg6_W2EyE

Killstep
02-16-2012, 05:22 PM
So the UK guys please explain your "hypothetical" methods to creating a great note..

And same with the US guys.

compile all the information together!

thunderfromdownunder
02-16-2012, 06:24 PM
@thunder , why post stupid videos showing money, we know what money looks like!!!
These videos have no info what so ever so why post them? all I see is confiscated euros. The videos that you need to post are the ones with info in them, like the equipment they use.

I just wanted to show people what happens when police suspect you are printing money.

We all know how to print money.

Why has your friend not sold all his money to dealers like he said he would? After all, he got his 50 holograms.

NeoVerine
02-16-2012, 06:26 PM
Hi everyone, I've read about the first 25 pages or so of the comments n gotta say am more than happy with what I've read. Somewhere else on BI I did read that the usual price of someone buying funny money from a big supplier was around 80% of the face value of the total. My question is a little different, it's not how to make it, but how to make use of it? Hypothetically speaking, if someone was in possession of some shitty 3rd world currency, how'd they go about getting real money for it (other than just selling it on of course 'cos it's too risky to find such buyers).

The best way (as it seems currently) would be to buy some kind of commodity in bulk in a far away city, ship it to another city, n then sell it off for market price or slightly less. Taking a little loss but still a big profit overall. Problem with that method is, it can't be repeated too often. So what're the other ideas? Small, shadowy gambling places is another option but that'll be very little money.

If anyone has any credible ideas, please do share. Thanks.

thunderfromdownunder
02-16-2012, 06:31 PM
Hi everyone, I've read about the first 25 pages or so of the comments n gotta say am more than happy with what I've read. Somewhere else on BI I did read that the usual price of someone buying funny money from a big supplier was around 80% of the face value of the total. My question is a little different, it's not how to make it, but how to make use of it? Hypothetically speaking, if someone was in possession of some shitty 3rd world currency, how'd they go about getting real money for it (other than just selling it on of course 'cos it's too risky to find such buyers).

The best way (as it seems currently) would be to buy some kind of commodity in bulk in a far away city, ship it to another city, n then sell it off for market price or slightly less. Taking a little loss but still a big profit overall. Problem with that method is, it can't be repeated too often. So what're the other ideas? Small, shadowy gambling places is another option but that'll be very little money.

If anyone has any credible ideas, please do share. Thanks.

Counterfeit money is typically purchased at around 35-45% of face value.

So a 20 note would be 7-9

Maybe buy cars from autotrader using the cash? Then sell it again?

Or start a business in this same way, buy a small car lot, then buy cars using fake cash then sell them through the business? Laundering.

NeoVerine
02-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Counterfeit money is typically purchased at around 35-45% of face value.

So a 20 note would be 7-9

Maybe buy cars from autotrader using the cash? Then sell it again?

Or start a business in this same way, buy a small car lot, then buy cars using fake cash then sell them through the business? Laundering.

Thanks for the quick reply thunderfromdownunder. Ok let me explain a little. A friend has the chance to buy some pretty decent (they've been tested, no problems so far, but in the hands of an expert, they'll be caught in an instant) stuff at 15% face value, then it'd make sense to buy something of value n re sell it. BUT the problem is, IF my friend buys something even remotely expensive, in the current rubbish third world location where my friend is staying, he'll have every note looked at quite thoroughly. His biggest local currency is a note of 1000 (about 8+) but 'cos of the way he carries himself, he's managed to pass on about 5 of those. Fair enough, but doing it on a larger scale will surely be tougher. If i'm not mistaken, he might be getting 50k in local currency but in smaller denominations of 500, 'cos 1k was too hard last time. The car lot idea seems good but wouldn't go down well in this hell hole as they're dead expensive (not like going on autotrader n picking something up for 500 :-p here the shittest cars run into 4k+ GBP).

My friend will be returning back to the UK quite soon so he's trying to explore his options as he is sure this entire thing can be well worked and yield a good profit, IF he's sensible.

thunderfromdownunder
02-16-2012, 07:05 PM
Thanks for the quick reply thunderfromdownunder. Ok let me explain a little. A friend has the chance to buy some pretty decent (they've been tested, no problems so far, but in the hands of an expert, they'll be caught in an instant) stuff at 15% face value, then it'd make sense to buy something of value n re sell it. BUT the problem is, IF my friend buys something even remotely expensive, in the current rubbish third world location where my friend is staying, he'll have every note looked at quite thoroughly. His biggest local currency is a note of 1000 (about 8+) but 'cos of the way he carries himself, he's managed to pass on about 5 of those. Fair enough, but doing it on a larger scale will surely be tougher. If i'm not mistaken, he might be getting 50k in local currency but in smaller denominations of 500, 'cos 1k was too hard last time. The car lot idea seems good but wouldn't go down well in this hell hole as they're dead expensive (not like going on autotrader n picking something up for 500 :-p here the shittest cars run into 4k+ GBP).

My friend will be returning back to the UK quite soon so he's trying to explore his options as he is sure this entire thing can be well worked and yield a good profit, IF he's sensible.

I see, what country is it?

Maybe if there is many tourists you could set up a little booth on the street and change money, like a currency exchange place.

NeoVerine
02-16-2012, 07:17 PM
Thunderfromdownunder: It's a shitty little country pretty much surrounded by India, called Bangladesh. Basically counterfeit has been a big problem here in recent years (I've seen a guy at a bank losing 500BDT when it was given out by the very bank's ATM! lol). The money tourist thing is a good idea but problem is, it doesn't really get that many tourists and it wouldn't be the best of ideas for my friend to interact with too many people whilst dealing in this matter as he himself is an outsider to these people and he does stick out quite a bit. Which is why he originally thought of going to very rural areas n buying commodities in bulk as he'll never go back to those places again.


Alexmon: Alexmon, yeah anything leaving a paper trail would be a total no no. You guys seriously wouldn't believe how hard it is to buy a damn sim card in this shithole (of course it's still possible but for a 3rd world country, it's unimaginably ANNOYING to say the least). And yeah as the banks punch a hole in funny money, ppl are damn scared. I often come out of the bank after withdrawing some legit funds, hand it to a vendor in the same market as the bank, n he'll still turn it a couple of times to check. Then again, a LOT of ppl just tend to do that without even understanding what they're really looking for.

I love the iPhone idea though. They don't have craiglist here so I've been browsing it's equivalent for a while and there does seem to be some really decent deals. Gonna look more into that. Thanks a lot guys.

Killstep
02-16-2012, 08:03 PM
I love you killstep

oh...

:)

Killstep
02-16-2012, 08:09 PM
fuck off killstep, you only want us to tell you everything. Learn yourself. We are here to discuss the methods of counterfeiting currency only , we are not going to give away exact "How to" guides ... you must compile the info together and add your own thoughts.

all jokes aside - it would just be nice to compile info together to make it easier to understand this wonderful art :)

Killstep
02-16-2012, 10:17 PM
will do

thunderfromdownunder
02-17-2012, 11:17 AM
Alexmon, my friend got some of Southworth CV 100% 90gsm cotton paper today, does your friend have any tips on making it feel more like money?

sterlingnoob
02-17-2012, 12:17 PM
can anyone help me out on washing bills etc. basically making them look new in order to scan them ? thanks

Jmerts
02-17-2012, 01:32 PM
can anyone help me out on washing bills etc. basically making them look new in order to scan them ? thanks

Go to the bank and ask for the crispest bill for an art project for school

thunderfromdownunder
02-17-2012, 02:44 PM
Yeh, the problem with that paper is that it feels weak.
Use some kind of finishing spray, Lacquer or something.
Look at the definition for Lacquer:

So i'm guessing that you could use pure alcohol maybe... and paint it over the paper ... don't do this indoors though. Wait for it to dry and you have a more rugged paper.

Yeah my friend might buy some clear lacquer. He has used it before on plastic. Might work well on paper. Trial and error I guess.

thunderfromdownunder
02-17-2012, 02:54 PM
Okay so my friend has 100% cotton paper.

He has now got it to feel a bit like new crisp banknotes.

He first put the paper in warm water, then let it dry.

Then he sprayed a few coats of deodorant, which makes the paper feel just like banknotes. Waxy and crisp. The paper now has the special finish and snap to it.

Try it out! Works better than hairspray, it really feels like money.

Use a dry powder based deodorant like Lynx Dry:

http://www.apetogentleman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/SureMen-Competition1.jpg

TCdboy
02-17-2012, 04:48 PM
Good shit thunder! Cuz I was thinking of using something. Else besides hairspray!

thunderfromdownunder
02-17-2012, 05:09 PM
Good shit thunder! Cuz I was thinking of using something. Else besides hairspray!

If using 100% cotton paper don't put to much on because it will make the fibres in the paper rub and wear down.

Someone needs to try using clear lacquer but an extremely light coating.

jayceenj
02-17-2012, 05:42 PM
Okay so my friend has 100% cotton paper.

He has now got it to feel a bit like new crisp banknotes.

He first put the paper in warm water, then let it dry.

Then he sprayed a few coats of deodorant, which makes the paper feel just like banknotes. Waxy and crisp. The paper now has the special finish and snap to it.

Try it out! Works better than hairspray, it really feels like money.

Use a dry powder based deodorant like Lynx Dry:

http://www.apetogentleman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/SureMen-Competition1.jpg
Will it pass the pen test?

Mr Omerta
02-17-2012, 07:32 PM
http://www.inkjetart.com/top_coat.html
2-3 VERY LIGHT coats.

thunderfromdownunder
02-17-2012, 07:48 PM
http://www.inkjetart.com/top_coat.html
2-3 VERY LIGHT coats.

Can we confirm what this does? IE is it just for protection or for making the banknote crisp?

I suggest trying clear lacquer.

New bills are very light, very thin, and very crisp.

11cent
02-17-2012, 08:02 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/v7gsk2.jpg

Hey, I was looking and seen this interesting pic. They stated that these notes were excellent high quality. It was a bust in Colombia.They printered out millions.This is a picture of a non finshing work of the counterfeits. Now, there are a plenty of things in the picture that caught my eye.

None of the notes have the ink shifting it (they used a stamp to put them on?)
All, but a few, have no serial numbers
There is one a the very top right where it is almost blank just the the face and the border
If you can see at the very edge of the paper it was a very bright white before they process.

All of this leading up to the finish product. It took a hundred steps to make this money. I can only imagine how good the watermark and strips were.

Mr Omerta
02-17-2012, 08:27 PM
Can we confirm what this does? IE is it just for protection or for making the banknote crisp?

I suggest trying clear lacquer.

New bills are very light, very thin, and very crisp.

It will add a very slight stiffness to the paper that will generate the POP. IT will also protect the finished artwork. I already mentioned in this thread that new bills are very light, thin and crisp. This particular lacquer is clear as well.

Mr Omerta
02-17-2012, 08:30 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/v7gsk2.jpg

Hey, I was looking and seen this interesting pic. They stated that these notes were excellent high quality. It was a bust in Colombia.They printered out millions.This is a picture of a non finshing work of the counterfeits. Now, there are a plenty of things in the picture that caught my eye.

None of the notes have the ink shifting it (they used a stamp to put them on?)
All, but a few, have no serial numbers
There is one a the very top right where it is almost blank just the the face and the border
If you can see at the very edge of the paper it was a very bright white before they process.

All of this leading up to the finish product. It took a hundred steps to make this money. I can only imagine how good the watermark and strips were.

A operation of this level millions of dollars to start up.

thunderfromdownunder
02-17-2012, 08:43 PM
Not neccessarily omerta... one could start small and build its way to the top.

A very important thing which is much more important than equipment is experimenting with paper and getting the feel near perfect.

This should be the first step anyone takes if they wish to pursue a career as a counterfeiter/artist.

11cent
02-17-2012, 09:12 PM
Hell yeah damn that machine they use cost like 100,000 dollars. Can't touch that. And I am complaining about $1,000 printer.

11cent
02-17-2012, 09:14 PM
Yeah the feel is important, but lets not make it seem so complicated. Newsprint paper spray with hairspray, deodorant spary, matte finishing spray...that will work